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Posted by Dr. Bob on May 30, 2010, at 20:38:17
In reply to Re: Clomipramine - thanks for answers, posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2010, at 8:52:05
> Almost all your posts are negative and meant to scare people. For instance the above. You know I'm on clomipramine. You write in all seriousness and go on to write of one on the med who had horrible side effects and when he stopped the med he got two degrees. When I was on nortriptyline you wrote of horrible weight gain. I know what your doing and you know what your doing.
> How can your above post be of any benefit or moral support for me. But you do this over and over so I believe you have an agenda.
>
> Please do not post on threads I've started or post directly to my name. I will do likewise to you.Are you saying you wouldn't feel supported by posts about side effects? If so, just post that, you don't have to name names, and then I'll consider replies like that on this thread not to be supportive of you.
Or you can ask that another poster be asked not to post to you, but only as a last resort, see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#harassed
Bob
Posted by bulldog2 on May 30, 2010, at 20:38:18
In reply to Re: support for me » bulldog2, posted by Dr. Bob on May 28, 2010, at 14:35:49
> > Almost all your posts are negative and meant to scare people. For instance the above. You know I'm on clomipramine. You write in all seriousness and go on to write of one on the med who had horrible side effects and when he stopped the med he got two degrees. When I was on nortriptyline you wrote of horrible weight gain. I know what your doing and you know what your doing.
> > How can your above post be of any benefit or moral support for me. But you do this over and over so I believe you have an agenda.
> >
> > Please do not post on threads I've started or post directly to my name. I will do likewise to you.
>
> Are you saying you wouldn't feel supported by posts about side effects? If so, just post that, you don't have to name names, and then I'll consider replies like that on this thread not to be supportive of you.
>
> Or you can ask that another poster be asked not to post to you, but only as a last resort, see:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#harassed
>
> Bob
Dr. BobPerhaps I can rephrase why I wish that this poster not post to me anymore. I am here to take part in a meaningful discourse about all aspects about psychotropic meds. To me an intellectual discourse implies an unbiased viewpoint. Now in my mind this poster posts a dispproportinate amount of posts about "horrible side effects".I never said I wouldn't allow side effects to be mentioned. But when I feel strongly and it does become apparent that someone brings an agenda to the table the discourse is no longer unbiased. To me this person appears to have a phobic mentality towards meds. I believe she has stated that she or someone in her family had bad experiences with meds that have tainted her feelings about meds. If you follow her posts there is a very biased emotional content about psychotropic meds. Also she observed experiences in a pscyh ward.
Therefore very biased info is continually presented. I don't know if she has ever presented a positive med experience or very rarely. She is entitled to hate or fear meds but I would like to be protected from these horrible side effect posts. I do consider them harrassment. Tainted fear ridden posts do not add anything to what I seek. Her posts also often contain misinformation.
Dr. Bob maybe we need a forum for those that have a need to spew all their negativity about meds. That would meet their needs without harrassing those seeking logical discussion about meds.
So yes Dr. Bob I seek to not have this person post to me at all.
Posted by Phillipa on May 30, 2010, at 20:38:18
In reply to Re: support for me » Dr. Bob, posted by bulldog2 on May 28, 2010, at 16:27:12
Please do not post untrue information about me. I see this as harrassment. It can be very hurtful to me. Let me apologize about posting anything negative about what you chose to take or do. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on May 30, 2010, at 20:38:18
In reply to Re: support for me » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2010, at 19:50:12
I'd especially wish to apologize for hyjacking the thread I should have sent a private message about the friend via other means. Sorry about that. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on May 30, 2010, at 20:38:18
In reply to Re: support for me » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2010, at 19:50:12
> Please do not post untrue information about me. I see this as harrassment. It can be very hurtful to me. Let me apologize about posting anything negative about what you chose to take or do. Phillipa
Just and I say please stay off my threads.
Posted by bulldog2 on May 30, 2010, at 20:38:19
In reply to Re: Clomipramine - thanks for answers » sigismund, posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2010, at 0:19:01
> Sigi no it's a mutual friend of ours remember Chris? He's now done two degrees in your country. He's an exception to the rule of going off meds as he's med free for a couple of years now. Love PJxxx
This is some of what I am talking about!! You're attempting to initiate a private talk in the middle of a thread!!
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2010, at 8:55:13
In reply to Re: support for me » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on May 30, 2010, at 20:38:18
> So yes Dr. Bob I seek to not have this person post to me at all.
OK, then here's the process to follow:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#harassed
> I do consider them harrassment.
>
> bulldog2> I see this as harrassment.
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> PhillipaWould anyone be willing to try to show bulldog2 and Phillipa how they might rephrase the above or to encourage them to apologize? You may have the power to help them avoid being blocked again. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dinah on May 31, 2010, at 9:52:12
In reply to Re: being blocked again, posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2010, at 8:55:13
The way to rephrase without being blocked again would be to say something that describes something about your own feelings without negatively characterizing the other poster and his or her posts.
"I feel distressed." Or "I am upset by these posts." Or you could outline what sort of posts you would find supportive.
Dr. Bob, I know you don't consider silence to be a sufficient response to your request for rephrasing. Would an apology to either the other party or to you or to an unspecified universe in general be sufficient?
Also, while I appreciate your efforts to use less admonishing words in the subject line, I'm not sure it's entirely clear to those unfamiliar with Admin that there is an imperative embedded in your requests.
Posted by Phillipa on June 1, 2010, at 10:53:38
In reply to Requests to rephrase. » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 31, 2010, at 9:52:12
Sorry Bulldog I will try to support all your posts in a positive way. My feelings will be fine. Phillipa ps is this okay?
Posted by Phillipa on June 1, 2010, at 12:29:06
In reply to Re: being blocked again, posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2010, at 8:55:13
Dr Bob I sincerly don't want to be blocked again as I will not post directly to Bulldog. I don't know what else I can do as no one has responded. I don't often come to admin. As have to do ebay. Could you let me know if this is okay. I'm sorry don't know what else to do? Your help if there is something else I can do would be much appreciated. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 1, 2010, at 15:22:23
In reply to Re: Requests to rephrase., posted by Phillipa on June 1, 2010, at 10:53:38
Posted by Phillipa on June 1, 2010, at 16:45:45
In reply to Re: thanks (nm) » Phillipa, posted by Dr. Bob on June 1, 2010, at 15:22:23
Your welcome thanks so much Dr Bob Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on June 1, 2010, at 22:01:25
In reply to Requests to rephrase. » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 31, 2010, at 9:52:12
> I'm not sure it's entirely clear to those unfamiliar with Admin that there is an imperative embedded in your request.
I had no idea.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 1, 2010, at 22:07:00
In reply to Re: being blocked again, posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2010, at 8:55:13
The subject line does confuse me.
"Re:" implies there was an original subject line. Was there and I missed it?
"again" seems unnecessary and potentially punative and/or patronizing.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 2, 2010, at 18:52:03
In reply to Re: being blocked again » Dr. Bob, posted by floatingbridge on June 1, 2010, at 22:07:00
> Dr. Bob, I know you don't consider silence to be a sufficient response to your request for rephrasing. Would an apology to either the other party or to you or to an unspecified universe in general be sufficient?
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> I'm not sure it's entirely clear to those unfamiliar with Admin that there is an imperative embedded in your requests.
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> DinahSorry about not being more clear. If bulldog rephrases or apologizes, he can avoid being blocked again. If others show him how or encourage him, they may help him avoid being blocked again.
But I wouldn't call that an imperative. He doesn't have to rephrase or apologize, and others don't have to show him how or encourage him.
> The subject line does confuse me.
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> "Re:" implies there was an original subject line. Was there and I missed it?
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> "again" seems unnecessary and potentially punative and/or patronizing.
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> floatingbridgeBlocking him could itself be seen as unnecessary, punitive, and/or patronizing. Would anyone besides Dinah like to try to keep that from happening?
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 6, 2010, at 20:45:15
In reply to Re: support for me » Dr. Bob, posted by bulldog2 on May 30, 2010, at 20:38:18
> I do consider them harrassment.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may be required. If you're open to developing new skills (I know that may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you might be able to be supported by other posters.
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that this community helps you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. Dinah, thanks for trying to help this time.
Phillipa, I'm also sorry if you felt hurt.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are/is in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: According to the formula:
duration of previous block: 1 week
period of time since previous block: 77 weeks
severity: 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual) = 3
block length = 1.21 rounded = 1 week
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