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Posted by MidnightBlue on June 26, 2009, at 16:41:25
In reply to from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 25, 2009, at 10:21:45
I do not like this idea at all. I will be less likely to post now. Twitter your own thoughts, but not ours.
MidnightBlue
Posted by Nadezda on June 26, 2009, at 19:36:58
In reply to from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 25, 2009, at 10:21:45
Maybe babblers could give permission to tweet posts-- or not--
Of course, if it's about individual posts, I guess it would get complicated.
But it's an interesting idea-- because for one thing, we might get different responses, and for another, it might attract new people here.
People might not want certain posts on twitter-- if there were identifying information, etc.-- or it simply was something that they wanted to communicate to familiar people or in a familiar and more comfortable space.
Nadezda
Posted by rskontos on June 27, 2009, at 0:17:33
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by Nadezda on June 26, 2009, at 19:36:58
I think it would freak me out. Babble seems risky sometimes and twitter, just not ready for that.
rsk
Posted by floatingbridge on June 27, 2009, at 13:51:11
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by rskontos on June 27, 2009, at 0:17:33
Posted by garnet71 on June 27, 2009, at 16:20:12
In reply to from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 25, 2009, at 10:21:45
A twitter babble hybrid seems creepy to me.
Regarding that site in general terms- I've gone on there to see what it's all about, and I found nothing appealing about it. It doesn't bother me that others like the architecture, but for me, I'm overwhelmed by emails from several accounts I've had to maintain over the years and it's just one more thing that would keep me from more personal social interactions.
For electronic communications in general - it's exciting people now have so much access to knowledge and technology saves time with both business and personal business oriented stuff-like forms, applications, procedures, and definitely facilitates business communications (though wastes lots of time because people tend to unnecessarily cc everyone "JIC"...then you end up with a zillion emails that you have to read to see if something pertains to your job or is important to note.) Sometimes for business I think it 'creates' less time.
But for my personal life it has taken away from the dynamics and also my time for more personal relationships. I used to get fwd'd emails daily, jokes, inspirational stuff, stories - stuff people pass around, etc. From people i used to talk on the phone with or see regularly. It was way too much email for me-so I started ignoring all of those types of emails and don't originate them and never respond to them. Yet, once in a while I'd write back a note and actually personally ask someone how they are doing, maybe ask about their kids, a personal email, and get a forward, unpersonal email in return.
Maybe I'm just uncomfortable reducing human relationships to one dimensional manifestations interacting through routers and fiber optic wires. there is a lot of mutual communication here on this forum, but when communications get superficial, one dimensional, and/or less personalized, it somehow takes away from the human spirit.
That's a common feeling, I suppose. The whole virtual dating thing creeps me out, and online dating in that it blurs reality; it's an artificial reality when so many people portray themselves as who they wanna be, not who they really are.
I guess people are busy, but it seems like these types of communications sometimes make people more busy.
Today I went swimming with my friend at the pool at her apartment and it was really nice hanging out. Probably my only friend left who doesn't even use text messaging. We only talk about once every two weeks, on the phone then in person, but it seems to remain my closest friendship.
I'm not one to shy away from technology whatsoever, but I find some of the social applications to be objectifying, dehumanizing, and a precursor to an uncomfortable, potential merger of reality and fantasy. In other words, it makes me think that people are going to start creating their own identity out of fantasy, and desires of who they want to portray themselves as (based on superficial desires) rather than realizing an identity from past human relationships and personal interactions at both the micro and macro levels. Instead of becoming an individual through learning, growth, and human intereactions it's like creating a false persona that covers up the true person. It seems narcissistic.
Maybe some think it's better for people to create their own identiy based upon wishes and desires of who they want to become rather than cultivate the core self into a 'personality' as a whole or identity derived from learning and experiences?
Posted by Deneb on June 27, 2009, at 19:00:00
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by garnet71 on June 27, 2009, at 16:20:12
I like communicating online. I feel like I can be myself here. In real life I have awful social anxiety. Online communications help socialize me. I don't think they take away from real life interactions. I've never developed anything close to a friendship until I found Babble.
Posted by Nadezda on June 28, 2009, at 22:12:38
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by garnet71 on June 27, 2009, at 16:20:12
I'm not sure what your reference to second life was about-- but I happen to go to second life a lot and have not only formed one or two real friendships there, but have engaged in many interesting discussions that I never would have had to chance to be involved in.
Not only that, there are groups that meet to meditate, which have given me a lot of support and very important suggestions and thoughts for beginning and continuing a meditation practice.
I don't find it phony, narcissistic, artificial, dehumanizing, or based on phantasy and superficial desires--any more than real life is.
Nadezda
Posted by Sigismund on June 28, 2009, at 22:18:23
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » garnet71, posted by Nadezda on June 28, 2009, at 22:12:38
>I don't find it phony, narcissistic, artificial, dehumanizing, or based on phantasy and superficial desires--any more than real life is
I imagine not.
Meditation, hey?
Anything else interesting?
Posted by Nadezda on June 28, 2009, at 22:38:16
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Nadezda, posted by Sigismund on June 28, 2009, at 22:18:23
all depends on what you find interesting-- but then you can always start something!
if you ever visit-- let me know!
Nadezda
Posted by Sigismund on June 28, 2009, at 22:58:00
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Sigismund, posted by Nadezda on June 28, 2009, at 22:38:16
I'm too fragile and nervous to master the mobile phone.
Posted by Nadezda on June 29, 2009, at 10:44:52
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Nadezda, posted by Sigismund on June 28, 2009, at 22:58:00
I never figured out-- what's a mobile phone? how's it different from a cellphone? (are we off-topic?--but I'd like to know the difference...)
Nadezda
Posted by gardenergirl on June 29, 2009, at 12:48:32
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 25, 2009, at 12:53:52
> > I think that I will be less inclined to post knowing that my words are now even more likely to be broadcast in places I did not choose.
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> True, you wouldn't be choosing to be tweeted. OTOH, how is "following" @psycho_babel different from subscribing to an RSS feed like:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/posts.rdf
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> an option that's been here for years?
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> BobTo me, it's an additive thing. The more places out there where my words as gardenergirl are, the more I feel exposed. Babble is a community, and while i think growing the community is a good thing, I don't want our community to feel like a "reality show" for others' entertainment. Plus, Twitter, facebook, other social networking sites are places where I am my real-life identity. I am gardenergirl here. I keep those separate and choose who I trust my personally identifying information with as best as I can.
I would be for this only if folks are given the option to opt out of having their posts tweeted.
gg
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 14:21:24
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on June 29, 2009, at 12:48:32
Posted by Sigismund on June 29, 2009, at 16:31:26
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Sigismund, posted by Nadezda on June 29, 2009, at 10:44:52
>what's a mobile phone? how's it different from a cellphone?
Not at all different. Same thing, to the best of my knowledge.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by garnet71 on June 27, 2009, at 16:20:12
> People might not want certain posts on twitter-- if there were identifying information, etc.
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> NadezdaI wouldn't tweet any identifying information!
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> I'm not one to shy away from technology whatsoever, but I find some of the social applications to be objectifying, dehumanizing, and a precursor to an uncomfortable, potential merger of reality and fantasy. In other words, it makes me think that people are going to start creating their own identity out of fantasy, and desires of who they want to portray themselves as (based on superficial desires) rather than realizing an identity from past human relationships and personal interactions at both the micro and macro levels. Instead of becoming an individual through learning, growth, and human intereactions it's like creating a false persona that covers up the true person. It seems narcissistic.
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> Maybe some think it's better for people to create their own identiy based upon wishes and desires of who they want to become rather than cultivate the core self into a 'personality' as a whole or identity derived from learning and experiences?
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> garnet71That's an interesting issue. For one thing, a message board is a social application, too.
One tweet based on the above could be:
garnet71: people are going to use social applications to create their identity out of who they want to become http://tiny.dr-bob.org/frtj
You said a hybrid seemed creepy to you, how about that specific tweet?
Bob
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 17:58:23
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
Like gg said, I absolutely don't want my posting name used ANYWHERE on the Web except at Babble. Period. I hate that you would decide to, and not me. I hope you won't.
At first I was sorta nonchalant, but now the more I think about it, the more it bothers me. It's not the actual possibility of someone I don't want knowing connecting my name with my actual self. It's much more the overall principle of the thing. The idea of you doing it *feels* like something is being done *to* me. I think I've had plenty of that IRL to last me. I guess you'd do it as a positive thing, seeing that we had something written in such a way it would be an intriguing tweet? I can see that, and I don't think you are uncaring or that there's any negative slant from your end. Also, I can imagine (as I wrote above in my rambling post) it could bring more people to Babble, which would be great.
Yet, it's still creepy and I'm now starting to see the possibility of feeling unsafe and a little violated. I am not claiming this is rational, or even reasonable. I wouldn't know how to measure that. I'm just saying it's how I'm beginning to feel. Maybe more on behalf on others, than just me, as I post very little these days.
I also wonder how posters will feel when you choose sentences out of certain posts. Will they feel slighted, i.e., "what - don't *I* say anything so clever/interesting/cool, whatever, that Dr. Bob wants to use it?" Will there be perceived favorites, if some posters' posts are often used as tweets? {shrug} Probably not. I haven't seen any of the multitudes popping out of the woodwork of Babble yet, worried about "equal Twitter time." Lol.
Dr, Bob, *are* you going to extract parts of posts and put them on Twitter over posters' objections?
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 29, 2009, at 19:57:51
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 17:58:23
I think he already has used some messages? I don't like this whole idea and nothing Dr. Bob says about it will change my mind.
Posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:10:06
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 17:58:23
I hope that Dr. Bob would respect those who request that their posts not be twittered. I think a list is starting below.
I still don't quite get it. I thought twitter was invented so that we could find out what a TV star had for lunch, or to keep up to date with the son or daughter who wouldn't dream of telling their parents what they're doing, but would happily share it with the cosmos.
I didn't think it was for twittering other people's thoughts?
That's the part I don't think I'd like, more than anything else. The excerpting. Even if Dr. Bob didn't excerpt to convey a completely different message than the sender intended (assuming he understood what the sender intended), words out of context just don't mean the same thing.
Scott's quote and Tabitha's quote are both great, but perhaps Scott and Tabitha don't feel that one line out of their posts really capture the essence? Maybe the next quoted person wouldn't.
Maybe it isn't just the excerpting that is a problem for me. It is the most obvious one to me. But things that have a context on this message board my not have the same context in another format, whether or not it is a single line excerpted.
I still am confused about twitter though. Is it used for this sort of promotional twittering often? Is twitter used to quote other people? Are we supposed to be getting that Dr. Bob is communicating to the world through his choice of quotes? My view of twitter is likely missing significant facts, so if anyone could explain these things, I'd really appreciate it.
Posted by garnet71 on June 29, 2009, at 20:15:03
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
Dr. Bob--Please do not send my thoughts out on that website-ever again. I ditto everything 10derheart said. It makes me feel violated somehow.
In addition-I do not like the concept of Twitter. It's uncomfortable to me that people have the desire to 'follow' others. It's my own issue, but I stand by it.
Posted by henrietta on June 29, 2009, at 20:21:03
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by garnet71 on June 29, 2009, at 20:15:03
I cannot understand the point of taking garnet's thoughtful and intelligent post and reducing it to one fragment of one sentence, completely out of context, and broadcasting it on a medium apparently designed to enable people to ask "I'm at 34th and Vine. Where's the nearest Starbuck's?"
And Bob, I would have thought listening to what people have to say would be a useful skill in your profession.
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 20:24:16
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by garnet71 on June 29, 2009, at 20:15:03
He didn't send yours out anywhere. I think he was just proposing one to you that he liked.
Only SLS and Tabitha have tweets from Babble.
http://twitter.com/psycho_babel
I hope it's okay with them. What if they haven;t even seen this/these thread (s)??
:-(
Posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:26:00
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:10:06
If you only twitter people who don't mind your doing it, or if you have everyone reregister with the information that they may be twittered without their knowledge or consent, I suppose it wouldn't do any harm.
Posted by henrietta on June 29, 2009, at 20:41:17
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:26:00
If a post of mine that was as thoughtful as the one you've used as an example of your intentions (i.e. garnet71's) were to be reduced to a cliched banality and posted on twitter, I would feel great shame. I would feel violated.
Bob, if you care at all about the emotional health of this community, before you tweet anybody else's words you MUST establish a "Non-Twit" list and you must scrupulously abide by the wishes of the individual members of the community in this regard. Anything less is unethical and abusive.
By the way, I don't care to be a Twit.
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 20:55:40
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by henrietta on June 29, 2009, at 20:41:17
I did just wish to reiterate, for clarity's sake, that Dr Bob did not post anything of Garnet's on Twitter as far as I can see.
Not yet, anyway.
Posted by zenhussy on June 29, 2009, at 23:47:15
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
anyone can see the list of followers to psycho_babel ** http://twitter.com/psycho_babel ** and click on those followers to be linked to their personal twitter sites. just food for thought.
again why this poster isn't myspaced, facebooked, twittered or any other self created acct in the social networking world. too easy to connect dots when one keeps putting more dots out there. socially networking is all about connecting dots and following the breadcrumb trails. the beauty of the web and also one of the huge downfalls.
being online and posting or tweeting are usually choices....having one's posts excerpted and tweeted isn't a choice....it could be construed as forced social networking.
doesn't seem very ethical. then again it is Robert Hsiung's site(s)/accts and apparently he can do w/ them as he wishes.
TOS of this site it would appear cover his heiny on this matter.
thus endeth babbling for this poster.
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