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Posted by SLS on June 16, 2009, at 18:59:11
I am not very familiar with the formulaic approach of deciding upon punitive measures currently being used, i.e. the lengths of time issued for posting blocks. As I understand it, though, there is no differentiation made between the types of infractions and the length of blocks issued. I see this as a major weakness in the administration of the Psycho-Babble website.
Littering and murder are not contained in the same tier of punitive sentencing. The maximum sentence allowed for each infraction is very much different. I think some rudimentary tier system should be used here at Psycho-Babble if there is going to be any semblance of justice.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on June 16, 2009, at 21:55:12
In reply to Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime?, posted by SLS on June 16, 2009, at 18:59:11
I do feel the poster should be given time to apologize as something could have triggered the person no the thread. Just a thought. Or a med or drug induced reaction. Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 4:30:37
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime? » SLS, posted by Phillipa on June 16, 2009, at 21:55:12
> I do feel the poster should be given time to apologize as something could have triggered the person no the thread. Just a thought. Or a med or drug induced reaction. Love Phillipa
Good point.
Judges will often take these sorts of things into account to reduce or suspend sentences. So I guess this is one area where flexibility can exist.
- Scott
Posted by Justherself54 on June 17, 2009, at 12:29:18
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime? » Phillipa, posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 4:30:37
Well, if we're going to look at this in a sorta judicial way, maybe we need to have a "probation period"..where the offending poster isn't blocked, but is given a "conditional discharge" and has a set of orders to be followed for a period of time. If they breach probation, then a block..
However, this is a website, not a court of law, although it can feel that way sometimes, and it would be too complicated to work here me thinks..and I think posters would then feel like criminals..
Sorry, my java hasn't quite kicked in yet..plus my posting skills are subpar!
Posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 12:52:56
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime?, posted by Justherself54 on June 17, 2009, at 12:29:18
> Well, if we're going to look at this in a sorta judicial way, maybe we need to have a "probation period"..where the offending poster isn't blocked, but is given a "conditional discharge" and has a set of orders to be followed for a period of time. If they breach probation, then a block..
I agree with you. Although it might need some tweaking, I guess that is what a "PBC" is all about.
> However, this is a website, not a court of law,
although it can feel that way sometimes,I know. In a court of law, though, one gets to plead their case. Here, there is no such thing. It wouldn't make sense to have such a thing as the docket would quickly overwhelm the adjudicators.
> and it would be too complicated to work here me thinks..and I think posters would then feel like criminals..
Good point. I really never identified with this outcome well enough because I have been blocked only once, and I don't see myself as a criminal, and I don't take this place too seriously. These things do change from time to time, though, as my needs and activities change.
So, then, the feeling like a criminal thing might be a good argument for not having posting rules.
I draw no conclusion about your stance on this issue.
- Scott
Posted by Justherself54 on June 17, 2009, at 13:39:30
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime? » Justherself54, posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 12:52:56
>>So, then, the feeling like a criminal thing might be a good argument for not having posting rules.
How did you come to that conclusion? I'm confused.
>>I draw no conclusion about your stance on this issue.
I didn't mean to imply that I was taking a stance..just throwing things out there as I'm familiar with the justice system..
No disrespect Scott, and I mean that sincerely, I rarely post anymore cause when I get replies to some of my posts, I'm left a little bewildered and confused as to how my posts are interpreted. At one time in my life I was very articulate and could argue with the best of them..but that's all changed now.
I find myself not getting into discussions as I can no longer articulate nor interpret to my satisfaction..so I mostly stay silent..
Sometimes after I post I always remember a wise man who mentored me a bit in my career..his best advice to me "don't put too much in writing, as sure enough, something will come back to bite you in the *ss..". I should have remembered that before I posted..sigh
Posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 14:37:20
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime?, posted by Justherself54 on June 17, 2009, at 13:39:30
> >>So, then, the feeling like a criminal thing might be a good argument for not having posting rules.
> How did you come to that conclusion? I'm confused.I'm sorry. I was just thinking out loud and attempting to be as objective as possible. It never occurred to me that some people might feel like criminals with the rule enforcement structure as it exists at the moment, but I can now see how.
> >>I draw no conclusion about your stance on this issue.> I didn't mean to imply that I was taking a stance..just throwing things out there...
Me too. I apologize for suggesting otherwise.
I hope you can sit down now.
:-(
Sorry.
- Scott
Posted by Justherself54 on June 17, 2009, at 15:05:24
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime? » Justherself54, posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 14:37:20
No prob..all is well.
Posted by SLS on June 18, 2009, at 9:06:25
In reply to Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime?, posted by SLS on June 16, 2009, at 18:59:11
> I am not very familiar with the formulaic approach of deciding upon punitive measures currently being used, i.e. the lengths of time issued for posting blocks. As I understand it, though, there is no differentiation made between the types of infractions and the length of blocks issued. I see this as a major weakness in the administration of the Psycho-Babble website.
>
> Littering and murder are not contained in the same tier of punitive sentencing. The maximum sentence allowed for each infraction is very much different. I think some rudimentary tier system should be used here at Psycho-Babble if there is going to be any semblance of justice.Can anyone suggest a website that would act as a good model for moderation?
- Scott
Posted by yxibow on June 18, 2009, at 19:29:10
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime?, posted by SLS on June 18, 2009, at 9:06:25
> > I am not very familiar with the formulaic approach of deciding upon punitive measures currently being used, i.e. the lengths of time issued for posting blocks. As I understand it, though, there is no differentiation made between the types of infractions and the length of blocks issued. I see this as a major weakness in the administration of the Psycho-Babble website.
> >
> > Littering and murder are not contained in the same tier of punitive sentencing. The maximum sentence allowed for each infraction is very much different. I think some rudimentary tier system should be used here at Psycho-Babble if there is going to be any semblance of justice.
>
> Can anyone suggest a website that would act as a good model for moderation?
I don't know about moderation, but "modern sites" I follow that don't splatter your every secret on Google:e.g. http://thosewithvisualsnow.yuku.com/
Or a typical vBulletin (yes, it costs money) board
Coldplay's main fan site for example
http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/index.php
Punishment ??? Crime???Moderators on these type of boards above typically excise true crap and trolling.
Which by the way even saying the word trolling in an obvious thread could get me a PBC. That's also idiotic in my opinion. An apple is an apple and an orange is an orange.
On at least some vBulletin boards you can edit or erase your entire post if you made errors.
This is not "Law and Order" or the canceled "Kings".
People are here for conversation and help, not to be thwacked on the back of their head for saying f*ck or sh*t or poopoo.
Decorum is fine and good.. I believe in that... people are sensitive, but you can't coddle everyone. That isn't good "therapy", if this is to be person to person therapy.
Respect someone's pain, but provide some help, some things to do, CBT, whatever.
I don't think someone who has experienced psychodynamic therapy has always 100% had "cry days", which are important, dont get me wrong, I have had them.
There's talk of moving forward in life, dealing with what you have, maybe a little CBT thrown in.
Sure if someone comes on here and all they say to every post is f*ck you then just kick them out.
But we don't need to rack up a rap sheet, and have some, in my opinion, idiotic math computation of, well you've hurt someone once in our arcane rules....
...so that's block one week, and you've done it 4 other times, so more, and a little calculus, and you'll "serve your sentence" concurrently so you're blocked from the board for 57 weeks.
I mean pardon my french, I'm expressing my opinion only (see, I have to be demure and cowering to even say something here because I'll be blocked if I don't bite my tongue so hard it bleeds), but WTF ?
I mean even in discussions about the way discussions should be here are filled with blocks. That's going way too far and I can't deal with this blocking much more.
Which is why I leave the forum when I'm blocked, I have a life that I have to grow into, if I am ever to do it... I can't be on here all the time, and I'm not saying anyone else is (here, also, I'm trying to be sensitive to that).
Also I think there is a definite conflict of interest to being a "patient" ("consumer" or whatever you want to call it) and a "deputy" at the same time.
And don't get me started on the concept of "deputy", it sounds like the wild west.
So, there's my take on it, hope I'm not blocked for anything I've said.
Oh, and also applies to babblemail, I think that unless someone is sending a death threat through it, it should be private, completely private and not subject to so much monitoring also.What's the point of anonymous mail ?
And what's with this anti-spam stuff in babblemail, we've already registered here, we don't need to twice register.
Next it will be CAPTCHA anti-spam which is hard to read if you've ever signed up onto a forum or free mail or whatever.
Since we've already registered, the first time someone comes on, then do the anti-spam. Don't need to do it again, that's silly.
Anyhow, all said, that's my stance.If I'm blocked, I'm not interested in reading this board any more, I'm not interested in helping people which is really the sole reason I come here because my disorder is so complicated I've only seen someone with a somatoform disorder once.
Also, and this is my opinion, there is a lot of anti-psychiatry and what I would call questionable discussion out there. (Yes, don't believe all you hear....) I think that should be moved to the alternative board. Clearly alternative therapy was supposed to be there.
I'm sorry, I just roll my eyes when I see discussions on how Vitamin B12 will cure schizophrenia. I pass right on by. I believe in evidence based psychiatry, at least validated by some study.
Also on the topic of studies, there's no need to post entire studies on here, the summary to it could be fine enough..
Well anyhow I've rambled enough.
Over and out
-- Jay
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on June 18, 2009, at 23:11:32
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime? » Justherself54, posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 14:37:20
Is this implying about something about people dropping by, or being warned, after and after.
Is this applying to the website, with stronger standard's with knowing the e-mail adresss (everyone know's mine). People come on and stuff, yet at the time, they don't see what's going on, what the main standard's of this site is about. Just a random post, mosty, i know im my case there was people in past, that i the time "didn't" click. Didnt understand what they where implying, and reading back...it's hidious, in some. Other's "wow, who posted this me? this writing is good, 2 years ago.."
I forget posts, because that time period crashed, went to a "collapse". Anyways, so what is the main point of stricting up rules, with certain actions. Deputy Rj? getty up!
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on June 18, 2009, at 23:21:49
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime?, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on June 18, 2009, at 23:11:32
There was a poster...that i cannot forget. Racer.
Me and her, worked together, yet she didnt understand the "violence", or inner turmoil through manipulation, there was so much that happened in 2006. That person, isnt there anymore. It more, evolved...yet, it's still me. It's after damage, damage, damage, until a final "collapse" idenity wise, took sometime to reboot to reality. Yet the pain inflictor, who i'm pointing no fingers, act's like a victim, when this person inflicted so much mental distress, it came to a point of splitting.
And then, collapse again to an "ego" can happen again, you have to be ready for anything to hit. Just in my place/case. Panic, and be alert, from harm. Just, she did NOT know what hell was going, here. It's talking to someone who does not understand, something "earthquake" is happening, they don't understand, so in reponse, i said somethings, that i REGRET! i read them, next thing the John overflowed, thought about sticking my head in it....
Yet this person, was the most effective person that was here on psychobabble. All apologies, are going to be in Inviduel, responses to posts that where misunderstood. I don't understand who I was back then.Some of it was, self-induced from, i don't want to say "self-profacy" I told counselor's "there is going to be breakdown", smile, we all through a little hard time in life. Well, i'm sorry, when you forget you are! give me break!
Is something wrong here?
Posted by floatingbridge on June 19, 2009, at 1:08:06
In reply to Re: Rules - Should the punishment fit the crime? » SLS, posted by Phillipa on June 16, 2009, at 21:55:12
> I do feel the poster should be given time to apologize as something could have triggered the person no the thread. Just a thought. Or a med or drug induced reaction. Love Phillipa
I'm new here, so much of this discussion is all news to me; That said, I'd like to second Phillipa's suggestion. Seems sensible, compassionate and flexible
Candace
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