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Posted by KAL44 on March 15, 2008, at 10:08:38
In reply to Re: dinah... » rskontos, posted by fayeroe on March 15, 2008, at 9:42:37
It seems to me that people are now feeling like Dr. Bob is just like an abuser. His silence does have that effect. Even psychiatrists can be abusive. I had one once who was, not directly but by his actions and expectations and lack of qualifications to be doing what he was doing, I reacted to him as if he was an abuser. He was at least acting unprofessionally trying to do something he was not qualified to do and expecting my submission. Now here comes Dr. Bob behaving by being silent. Many abusers do not respond to pleadings; they ignore. This trauma is due to Dr. Bob not due to Dinah. He is too busy is an excuse. His silence shows he does not care about people here. If everyone left, and he had to shut the site down, then he would care perhaps. But there will always be people to post even if some feel abused.
Posted by SLS on March 15, 2008, at 10:55:16
In reply to Re: dinah..., posted by KAL44 on March 15, 2008, at 10:08:38
> It seems to me that people are now feeling like Dr. Bob is just like an abuser.
Has he ever acted as if he assumed the position of clinician here?
What is it about his absence that concerns you the most?
- Scott
Posted by Toph on March 15, 2008, at 14:15:14
In reply to Re: dinah... » KAL44, posted by SLS on March 15, 2008, at 10:55:16
> Has he ever acted as if he assumed the position of clinician here?
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Posted by rskontos on March 15, 2008, at 14:50:11
In reply to Re: dinah... » KAL44, posted by SLS on March 15, 2008, at 10:55:16
Scott, several of us directly asked for an answer, and when I say several I mean ALOT. He has deliberately ignored direct posts directed to him personally as well as emails sent to him on the subject matter that is what concerns us the most as well as implementing new policy without so much as a notification. Did you read the entire thread. If you had you would have realized that most people were not upset with Dinah in particular but with Dr. Bob who just ignored us as if we are non-entities to be treated as dirt under his feet. That is our major concern.
But thanks for asking.
rsk
Posted by KAL44 on March 15, 2008, at 17:05:01
In reply to Re: dinah... » KAL44, posted by SLS on March 15, 2008, at 10:55:16
Lots of people are leaving babble because of the issue that still has not been addressed by him. His nonresponsiveness is telling and says something about him. You can fill in the blank. Maybe this is part of his experiment! I don't think so really but do believe he really should say something.
Posted by KAL44 on March 15, 2008, at 17:06:31
In reply to Re: dinah..., posted by Toph on March 15, 2008, at 14:15:14
About the only time he acts like an administrator is when he blocks someone.
Posted by Toph on March 15, 2008, at 17:39:59
In reply to Re: dinah... » Toph, posted by KAL44 on March 15, 2008, at 17:06:31
In many states anyone who takes on a caregiver role for a dependent person bears a responsibility for that dependent's care and safety. The dependent's subsequent neglect by the caregiver can be a crime. Bob's neglect in addressing this crisis smells of FEMA's incompetence and neglect something Dinah is intimately familiar with. While not criminal, Bob's refusal to lend support to this site over which he is caregiver when so many are screaming for help is unquestionably disgraceful neglect in my mind. Maybe with time everyone will forget about this as many have forgotten the neglect in New Orleans. Bob must be counting on this.
Posted by SLS on March 15, 2008, at 17:41:01
In reply to Re: dinah..., posted by Toph on March 15, 2008, at 14:15:14
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> Has he ever acted as if he assumed the position of administrator here?
Of course he has. I don't understand why anyone would say otherwise.I guess I arrived here too late to know what the issues are.
What is Dr. Hsiung not doing that you believe is imperative to be done? What do you need from him that you are not getting?
I really don't know what's going on, so I hope someone will be kind enough to explain it to me.
- Scott
Posted by rskontos on March 15, 2008, at 17:50:24
In reply to Re: dinah..., posted by rskontos on March 15, 2008, at 14:50:11
Posted by SLS on March 15, 2008, at 19:51:47
In reply to Willful neglect » KAL44, posted by Toph on March 15, 2008, at 17:39:59
The poor guy probably had a nervous breakdown.
Listen, I haven't been here for over a year up until a few weeks ago. I don't know what is going on that I missed. Since everyone is so emotionally charged over the relative absence of the doctor, I just thought that perhaps there were some deleterious effects on us as individuals. What are they?
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on March 15, 2008, at 21:21:47
In reply to Re: dinah... » Dinah, posted by SLS on March 15, 2008, at 9:18:08
I think you're quite right, Scott. And I've definitely been trying for more balance in my life.
Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 5:46:38
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 15, 2008, at 19:51:47
Oh, and let us not forget that the good doctor has a personal and professional life outside of reading every post on Psycho-Babble and responding to all requests.
What in the hell are you expecting from just one man?
I find this need to have Dr. Hsiung available at all times on PB to be unreasonable.
Now, talk amongst yourselves...
- Scott
Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 7:32:13
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 5:46:38
I am curious to know if anyone is disturbed that the interaction between Dr. Hsiung and his deputy moderators be confidential.
If so, why?
- Scott
Posted by Toph on March 16, 2008, at 7:55:12
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 5:46:38
> Oh, and let us not forget that the good doctor has a personal and professional life outside of reading every post on Psycho-Babble and responding to all requests.
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>Then maybe its time to take the picture down and stop suggesting that he is responsible for this site. I dont expect him to be here all the time, I don't think many do. But he needs to be here when needed, when his senior deputy quits, when she and a multitude ask him for assistance and an explanation. Most chief executives have vacations and other pressing obligations when conflicts arises. Responsible ones return or use technology to show leadership. My outrage is becoming tempered by my waning expectations of this administrator who exposes his cowardice with each passing day.
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 9:50:39
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by Toph on March 16, 2008, at 7:55:12
> > Oh, and let us not forget that the good doctor has a personal and professional life outside of reading every post on Psycho-Babble and responding to all requests.
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> ******Toph said: Then maybe its time to take the picture down and stop suggesting that he is responsible for this site. I dont expect him to be here all the time, I don't think many do. But he needs to be here when needed, when his senior deputy quits, when she and a multitude ask him for assistance and an explanation. Most chief executives have vacations and other pressing obligations when conflicts arises. Responsible ones return or use technology to show leadership. My outrage is becoming tempered by my waning expectations of this administrator who exposes his cowardice with each passing day.*****I take back what I said about not posting about this mess anymore!
Scott, are you listening to the pain/anger of the posters? It was oozing out of the pores of my screen the other night. I couldn't have avoided it, if I had tried by leaving my house. It would have stayed on my mind even then.
It isn't even like this is the first time that he has abandoned PB and refused to come around when posters needed him and I have never seen anyone ask him to be here all of the time. Posters have personal lives and responsibilities too.
As one with experience, let me tell you that all professionals don't go off and have no communication with their office for long lengths of time.
Scott you asked this< " What in the hell are you expecting from just one man?" Let me ask you a question. What does that one man expect from the posters here? Words for his papers, books, speeches, etc.
Babble should be a two way street that runs both ways. It is now a four lane, running from the posters and a tiny dirt trail running from Bob to PB. It reminds me of my family, the distance between our cities is too far from them to drive to see me and it isn't too far for me to drive to see them.
I don't get what you aren't seeing here. Bob has chosen to disappear and leave confused and hurt people to cope with their questions and their fears.
"Toph, I agree about the lack of administration and I second the thought that Bob can take the photograph down now. I vote for a hot studmuffin from Holly wood. He might have a laptop. :-)"
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Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 10:23:29
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 7:32:13
> I am curious to know if anyone is disturbed that the interaction between Dr. Hsiung and his deputy moderators be confidential.
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> - Scottwhat is going on right now could be an answer to your question. little things are thrown out and the membership has no idea what is going on.
communication has always been private between Bob and the deputies and people know that. it is what it is and, in my opinion, should be.
part of the issue now is the fact that people knew something was up that affected PB members and no explanation was given to them.
Bob still hasn't shown up to explain anything to PB members.
this is an online support forum, is it not? and forums like this generally have someone who owns the site and profits from it. how about giving back to the posters? they are the reason that the website exists. (yes, yes, yes, i already know that the real support comes from one another......)
there is always someone that should answer to questions when people are in doubt about the mechanics that affect them. do you agree with that or do you think the site should just run itself, without any direction from the owner?
are you playing devil's advocate?
Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:38:33
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » Toph, posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 9:50:39
Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
What can't you do while he is not here?
He has no duty to make you happy.
In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
I hear children whining. It must be me.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:40:34
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » SLS, posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 10:23:29
> are you playing devil's advocate?
That's funny. I was thinking of asking you the same question.
- Scott
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 10:55:47
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » fayeroe, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:40:34
> > are you playing devil's advocate?
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Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 11:33:48
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » SLS, posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 10:55:47
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Yeah, well. Why did you ask me that question in the first place?I'll be happy to disclose whether or not I have been playing Devil's Advocate if you will be so kind as to answer my question.
- Scott
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 11:39:29
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » fayeroe, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 11:33:48
excuse me?
this part sounds like a junior high argument to me.
no, thanks, Scott......
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 12:11:57
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:38:33
> Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
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> If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
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> What can't you do while he is not here?
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> He has no duty to make you happy.
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> In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
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> Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
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> So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
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> What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
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It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
Lou
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 12:18:23
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott's and to others-lighehbhil?, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 12:11:57
Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 12:21:00
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » SLS, posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 11:39:29
> excuse me?
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> no, thanks, Scott......
Now, you got it!
- Scott
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 13:17:19
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » fayeroe, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 12:21:00
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