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Posted by Sigismund on March 6, 2008, at 14:57:15
In reply to Re: Wonderful posts above... » muffled, posted by Phoenix1 on March 6, 2008, at 14:04:37
>People are begging him to explain. How could he overlook this? I think he will come to our aid and explain everything in the next day or two. If he doesn't, I feel I will have serious doubts about his ability to empathize or understand human emotion.
It sounds like we're talking about the Divinity.
Posted by Sigismund on March 6, 2008, at 14:58:06
In reply to Re: Wonderful posts above..., posted by Sigismund on March 6, 2008, at 14:57:15
Or 'Waiting for Godot'
Posted by muffled on March 6, 2008, at 15:00:54
In reply to I've said too much already..., posted by Phoenix1 on March 6, 2008, at 14:40:50
Arrrgggh, had a long post and lost it.
The jist of it was is that historically Bob is Bob. He in fact may or may not respond promptly, or even at all.
This is the reality of the administrator of this site.
He may or may not in fact have a real grasp of the emotions we feel, thats his business I reckon, but we do have to live with who Bob is, for better or worse, as he is the owner/administrator of this site.
He does change, I have seen it, but its slow.
I do NOT know his motivations re: this site. Why he runs it etc.
I do not understand many of his descicions, I don't understand why he doesn't respond to our upset.
I just DO know, that its a waste of time to agonize over it.
We babblers may as well keep on doing what we do, in supporting one another, including deputies etc.
We will have to go on despite the quirks of our administrator. Even though they hurt us at times.
I am inclined to think that Bob doesn't intend to hurt. I think he just seems incapable of understanding some things. And thats OK. Noboddys perfect! We just need to know this and go on and adjust our expectations accordingly.
Just I hate to see people getting all worried and upset, cuz any answers may or may not come at all, or not promply if they do come.
This is the reality of our administrator of the this site.
There are wondwerful people here. Lets just let Bob be the background guy and not worry bout him.
Thats my thots.
I wrote it WAY better first time ,and I proly forgot stuff, but I goto go.
Take care all.
M
Posted by twinleaf on March 6, 2008, at 18:52:22
In reply to sorry about not being around, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2008, at 20:56:14
I think I speak for nearly all of the Babble community when I say that we are all respectful of the fact that you have been occupied with other professional responsibilities in recent days-in particular during the time when Dinah posted her message (above).
At the same time, I think it is going to be difficult to keep enough committed, dedicated, caring and compassionate posters here at Babble if our concerns are not addressed with the same respect and courtesy with which we have always tried to address your concerns. In particular, it only makes things worse for you to respond to an urgent request from us for information with a general request for a cooperative discourse. We have always been more than willing to do that, but, this time, WE NEED YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION WHICH WE HAVE ALL ASKED YOU, ABOUT WHY DINAH FELT SHE HAD TO LEAVE. We also would like to know if it would be possible for Dinah to return comfortably, if a slight change were made in the (as yet unknown to us) new rules and procedures which she mentioned.
As to the new procedures, WHY IS IT THAT NEW RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE PUT INTO PLACE WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION HERE? IN PARTICULAR, WHY ARE NEW REGULATIONS ALLOWED TO DRIVE A LOVED AND VALUABLE MEMBER OF THE BABBLE COMMUNITY AWAY AFTER SEVEN YEARS OF IRREPLACEABLE CONTRIBUTIONS?
If you do not answer these questions in a sincere and straightforward manner, and with an understanding of how important this issue is to us, we are all going to be left with the sickening sense that rules and regulations are more important to you than the presence of long-time posters, who over the years have shared their inner lives, joys, sorrows, failures and successes, empathy and caring, with Babble members, and also with unknown numbers of other readers.
If I do not receive an answer which I consider relevant and helpful, (with due consideration for Dinah's privacy, where that may enter in), I am, very sadly, going to have to conclude that Babble is no longer the right place for me.
Posted by muffled on March 6, 2008, at 19:18:22
In reply to THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU....... » Dr. Bob, posted by twinleaf on March 6, 2008, at 18:52:22
But boy do I ever understand everybodies frustration.
Its why I not here either anymore...other than on admin..
i just wish....
Nevermind, its like wishing for the moon I suppose.
I miss babble.
Hope stuff works out.
:-(
:-(
:-(
M
Posted by star008 on March 6, 2008, at 19:49:10
In reply to sigh...I really hope Bob answers :-( » twinleaf, posted by muffled on March 6, 2008, at 19:18:22
Posted by rskontos on March 6, 2008, at 20:01:02
In reply to Re: sigh..muffled miss u (nm) » muffled, posted by star008 on March 6, 2008, at 19:49:10
....and I feel curiously like a lab rat....
all of me is UPSET, and thank you Twinleaf, Phoenix, muffled, Sig, and all of you who expressed it so well.
DR BOB ARE YOU LISTENING?
rsk
Posted by star008 on March 6, 2008, at 20:04:53
In reply to Re: sigh..muffled miss u (nm) » muffled, posted by star008 on March 6, 2008, at 19:49:10
so many pleas to dr bob.. still unanswered. i don't know why he makes you wait. it makes me feel sad.try not to worry babblers.
Posted by KAL44 on March 6, 2008, at 20:49:11
In reply to THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU....... » Dr. Bob, posted by twinleaf on March 6, 2008, at 18:52:22
I don't think he is ever going to answer. I don't even know what rules have changed. It is all so odd and strange. I don't get it.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2008, at 12:29:04
In reply to Re: THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU......., posted by KAL44 on March 6, 2008, at 20:49:11
> I don't think he is ever going to answer. I don't even know what rules have changed. It is all so odd and strange. I don't get it.
KAL44,
You wrote,[...is ever going to answer...so odd and strange...I don't get it...].
Could you expound more upon what you have posted here? If you could, then I could have more knowlege of what your concerns are and be better able to post a more comprehensive response.
Lou
Posted by TexasChic on March 8, 2008, at 23:18:07
In reply to Re: I've said too much already..., posted by muffled on March 6, 2008, at 15:00:54
There's more to babble than just Dr. Bob (no offense Bob). There's all the rest of us too! I'm VERY upset about Dinah being so upset, but I don't have the foggiest idea what actually happened. Until I hear more, I'm just going to hang back and hope for the best. I hope most of you will too, although I do understand people sometimes have to leave babble for their own well being. And if Dinah is going to do that, I hate it, but she has to do what's right for her and I respect that.
I hate to see everyone hurting so much. Its all so very upsetting. But like I said, I'm hanging in there, and I hope the rest of yall will too.
-T
Posted by Kath on March 9, 2008, at 18:55:07
In reply to Exactly! » muffled, posted by TexasChic on March 8, 2008, at 23:18:07
> There's more to babble than just Dr. Bob (no offense Bob). There's all the rest of us too! I'm VERY upset about Dinah being so upset, but I don't have the foggiest idea what actually happened. Until I hear more, I'm just going to hang back and hope for the best. I hope most of you will too, although I do understand people sometimes have to leave babble for their own well being. And if Dinah is going to do that, I hate it, but she has to do what's right for her and I respect that.
>
> I hate to see everyone hurting so much. Its all so very upsetting. But like I said, I'm hanging in there, and I hope the rest of yall will too.
>
> -T********Thx TC - I guess I agree. However, I haven't felt like posting. I posted a few times just now, but I basically don't feel like participating. I am hoping that will change. I suspect I'm not the only one feeling like this.
I feel disrespected & used. I think that feeling ignored is a trigger for me.
Thanks for being you!!
hugs, Kath
Posted by muffled on March 9, 2008, at 19:30:21
In reply to I don't do well with feeling ignored.... » TexasChic, posted by Kath on March 9, 2008, at 18:55:07
has happened.
Which is why I said maybe those who want to could go on.
It totally feels bad I agree.
I have only posted once besides admin.
I just can't again.
Wanto.
Can't.
Yeah....and I guess it IS about comfort/safeness despite myself telling myself that this has been the way of babble since shortly after I've been here really. Nothing new.
I just dunno what to say, other than its quite possible Bob hasn't even read this stuff.
I wish I could make it all better.
But I can't.
Its too bad :-(
Posted by Phillipa on March 9, 2008, at 19:53:24
In reply to FWIW this is NOT the first time this sort of thing, posted by muffled on March 9, 2008, at 19:30:21
Muffled wish you could too. Love Phillipa
Posted by ClearSkies on March 10, 2008, at 7:17:56
In reply to sorry about not being around, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2008, at 20:56:14
> Hi, everyone,
>
> I understand there are concerns about possible policy changes. I'm not trying to avoid the issue, I just haven't time to catch up here. Which I apologize for. I do remain committed to maintaining a safe and civil environment, and I hope I can count on your help with that. Thanks,
>
> BobBob, we've all been trying to be patient with you about this, but it's really time for your attention to be turned to Administrative matters and the void left by Dinah's mysterious departure. As you can see, there's been lots of conjecture about what's going on - and YOU are the only individual who can clear up the confusion.
I know that I am both dreading and looking forward to your explanation as to what exactly transpired. I have all but suspended my participation on the boards pending your impending pronouncement, despite your stated commitment for providing a "safe and civil environment" - I'm afraid letting all this time lapse between the crisis of her leaving, and your response does not instill much of a feeling of safety in me.
I join my voice with the others here in exhorting you in providing a clear and full explanation of just what has changed with the policies at Babble that would cause Dinah to abandon years of service to you and the community at large.
ClearSkies
Posted by rskontos on March 10, 2008, at 14:53:33
In reply to Re: sorry about not being around » Dr. Bob, posted by ClearSkies on March 10, 2008, at 7:17:56
I can't post either except here. I feel abused and empty. I feel like a lab rat. I have shared truly hard stuff and to be treated like this feels so wrong. It used to feel ok, and like Kath says well no he never promised us safety but I felt ok but to ask for answers and to be ignored like this is just wrong wrong wrong. And we, alot of us, are just asking for clarification. And Dinah, bless her, is trying to reasure of, but it isn't her place.
This is very triggering for me. Saddening really.
I feel like I am losing something I held dear and it won't be the same when all the dust clears.rsk
Posted by muffled on March 10, 2008, at 15:37:15
In reply to Re: sorry about not being around » ClearSkies, posted by rskontos on March 10, 2008, at 14:53:33
Sorry you feel bad.
But to reassure you, this is not new.
Bob has for some time not really had babble high on his list.
As for lab rat. Well I felt that way too, a LONG time ago. I kept asking Bob what his motivations were for running this site.
He dodges round the topic.
So this is an ongoing thing this prob.
I dunno what happened re: Dinah. Mebbe she just finally got pushed too far by Bob, which wouldn't surprize me in the least.
This is why I have kept a distance from admin stuff on babble, cuz I don't wanto get sucked into Bobs web.
It'll be OK.
Really.
We just need to decide whether its worth being lab rat to be here. I guess for me really, its just I can't tolerate the injustices, the lack of feeling and compassion I feel from Bob in certain instances where people are being hurt. It makes me feel so helpless cuz Bob won't seem to listen, or if he does, then he is not being able to understand. That really is why I stay away despite the WONDERFUL people here.
I put a link(the second link) on the f*rt thread I posted yesterday(?)on admin as an example of whats goes on...and that was awhile ago that situ. So you can see its not a new thing all this. Its been ongoing these troubles we have with Bob. Which is why I often say "Bob is Bob".
Maybe one day he will learn.....maybe...I am eternally hopeful.
Take care,
M
Posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 16:33:34
In reply to I don't do well with feeling ignored.... » TexasChic, posted by Kath on March 9, 2008, at 18:55:07
>
>
> ********Thx TC - I guess I agree. However, I haven't felt like posting. I posted a few times just now, but I basically don't feel like participating. I am hoping that will change. I suspect I'm not the only one feeling like this.
>
> I feel disrespected & used. I think that feeling ignored is a trigger for me.
>
> Thanks for being you!!
>
> hugs, KathFeeling ignored and used is a feeling that some people have carried over since childhood.
I would like to think that as a psychiatrist Bob understands that. Do I believe that he does? No.
I've been seeing this for years and it is just as sad now as it was the first time it happened.I feel that the consequences of Bob's lack of interest in the well being of PB will be far-reaching and traumatic to alot of posters. I think that alot of posters have left here, in the past, due to not feeling appreciated by Bob.
Posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 16:36:21
In reply to sorry about not being around, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2008, at 20:56:14
"If you see a member, please take a minute to say hi. They might feel scared, and a warm welcome might help them relax and partake. And they'll be more likely to come back!" By Bob at top of page!
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
If I felt like it, I'd roll on the floor laughing. But it is too sad to be funny.
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 20:55:23
In reply to sorry about not being around, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2008, at 20:56:14
Hi Bobby,
I guess they don't teach much empathy in med school. The good doctors just seem to learn it along the way. Did you hide out in a broom closet for the length of your residency playing game boy? It would appear so. You'd be a great psychiatrist for a purely catatonic patient base. And I'm guessing this would be your preference too. I mean, my god, why would an esteemed proud physician such as yourself EVER want to interact with real live crazy people? That would be horrible wouldn't it?
If you could put walls up and turn PB into a virtual psychiatric asylum, I think that would be your ultimate evil plan. Of course, you could monitor it from the safety of your office not saying anything. Good luck with that.
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 21:10:55
In reply to THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU....... » Dr. Bob, posted by twinleaf on March 6, 2008, at 18:52:22
Actually, the question before you, is how did you get to the way you are? Were you bullied as a child, always cowering in a corner? Because you seem to enjoy causing us to cower in corners and submit to your constant bullying.
Posted by muffled on March 10, 2008, at 21:37:50
In reply to Re: sorry about not being around » Dr. Bob, posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 20:55:23
Phoenix, sorry you angry, but I hope you can try NOT to let Bob get to you. You have the power over him cuz you can walk away.
Please take special care of yourself if your feeling triggered.
M
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 21:55:31
In reply to sorry about not being around, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2008, at 20:56:14
> Hi, everyone,
>
> I understand there are concerns about possible policy changes. I'm not trying to avoid the issue, I just haven't time to catch up here. Which I apologize for. I do remain committed to maintaining a safe and civil environment, and I hope I can count on your help with that. Thanks,
>
> BobOh Bobby, please come back, I don't know what to do without you. I crave your illogical random punishment. I don't think I can live without a daily dose of your wise, wise civility teachings. And those smugly patronizing messages. I'm in Bobby withdrawl! Help!
Posted by medjuggler on March 10, 2008, at 22:17:59
In reply to Re: sorry about not being around, posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 21:55:31
Sorry he's not answering mate. I think he may have the squits from all the tension ;)
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2008, at 14:43:34
In reply to Re: sorry about not being around » Dr. Bob, posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 20:55:23
> This loss of a deputy is obviously very concerning to many people here, potentially more so than the policy changes themselves.
>
> I think you need to address that as soon as possible, as people are becoming uncomfortable, worried, and unsure of the future of babble.
>
> Phoenix1> I feel disrespected & used. I think that feeling ignored is a trigger for me.
>
> Kath> Feeling ignored and used is a feeling that some people have carried over since childhood.
>
> I would like to think that as a psychiatrist Bob understands that.
>
> fayeroe> Just keep going as we were.....
> Bob or no Bob.
> Babblers are still here, either on board or in chat.
> Let us continue to support each other as best we are able.
> Cuz Bob is Bob and if there's one thing I've learned here, its that he moves to the beat of his own drum.
> Lets just depend on, and support each other.
> Continue on.
> Never mind Bob.
>
> muffled> There's more to babble than just Dr. Bob (no offense Bob). There's all the rest of us too!
>
> TexasChicI apologize for the distress I caused by not being around. I know it's disruptive when I'm not a consistent presence.
I do also understand that for some of you it may have triggered feelings carried over from childhood. Awareness of how and why one's triggered shows self-knowledge. I think it would've been reasonable to carry on without me, but those who were triggered may have been less able to do that.
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> I mean, my god, why would an esteemed proud physician such as yourself EVER want to interact with real live crazy people?
>
> Phoenix1Why not?
And speaking of interacting, can you come to the party in Washington in May?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20071106/msgs/800908.html
Bob
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