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Posted by Kath on March 3, 2008, at 14:46:24
Hi Dr. Bob,
Would you be willing to make clear what your requirements of a former deputy would be?
That way, a former deputy would know exactly what is expected, and all other posters can also know what is expected of a former deputy that is different from what is expected of basically ANY poster (which is basically to be civil & respectful, I think).
I sincerely hope that you'l be will to do this Dr. Bob.
Thank you, Kath
Posted by ClearSkies on March 3, 2008, at 15:08:53
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by Kath on March 3, 2008, at 14:46:24
Posted by gardenergirl on March 3, 2008, at 16:19:15
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by Kath on March 3, 2008, at 14:46:24
Me three. And please also explain your thinking in making this decision that is so far unannounced. I for one would like some insight into how you came to a decision that led to losing Dinah. And of course how you reconcile making a change that affects a deputy's participation here as poster, something that factors strongly into the decision to become and to "unbecome" a deputy.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on March 3, 2008, at 16:47:26
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on March 3, 2008, at 16:19:15
Posted by Toph on March 3, 2008, at 17:04:30
In reply to Oh, and without any community discussion, too. (nm), posted by gardenergirl on March 3, 2008, at 16:47:26
Posted by Kath on March 3, 2008, at 17:11:50
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by Kath on March 3, 2008, at 14:46:24
I just wanted to say that when I wrote the above post, I was trying to have a totally respectful and neutral tone. I hope that's how it came across.
Thanks, Kath
Posted by gardenergirl on March 3, 2008, at 19:32:23
In reply to Dr. Bob - respectfully......, posted by Kath on March 3, 2008, at 17:11:50
It seemed that way to me. I doubt that Dr. Bob would allow his view of my posts to mar his view of anyone else's. Sorry if my questions in some way cloud the thread you started.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on March 3, 2008, at 19:43:42
In reply to What? (nm) » gardenergirl, posted by Toph on March 3, 2008, at 17:04:30
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080204/msgs/815915.html
Dinah said, "Due to some changes that Dr. Bob is making, ..."
I am not aware of any proposed changes up for discussion on the boards. Mind you, not all changes are allowed to be discussed prior to implementation, but it seems the price for this one is quite dear."Under those same changes, I no longer feel safe myself to post either as a deputy or a former deputy."
If something changed that interferes with someone feeling free to post as a former deputy, it seems reasonable to assume that the change is not something the poster could consider thoughtfully before agreeing to become a deputy. That decision comes with costs including the effect on one's sense of freedom in posting without the deputy hat on.gg
Posted by Toph on March 3, 2008, at 21:18:46
In reply to Re: What? » Toph, posted by gardenergirl on March 3, 2008, at 19:43:42
Posted by Kath on March 4, 2008, at 11:50:49
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - respectfully...... » Kath, posted by gardenergirl on March 3, 2008, at 19:32:23
> It seemed that way to me. I doubt that Dr. Bob would allow his view of my posts to mar his view of anyone else's. Sorry if my questions in some way cloud the thread you started.
>
> ggNO - not at all. I didn't mean that. I was just feeling fairly STRONG feelings when I wrote my post & wanted to cover anything 'non-neutral' that might have come through!
HUGS - love, Kath
Posted by gardenergirl on March 4, 2008, at 12:02:04
In reply to Not at all GG :-) » gardenergirl, posted by Kath on March 4, 2008, at 11:50:49
Ah. Thanks for saying that. Seems I was in a "taking things personally" kind of mood. And probably a bit of a snotty mood, too. Sorry. Hugs back to you, Kath.
I'm still in some kind of mood. I'm sure it's because I'm identifying with Dinah. I remember just how excruciating dialogs between deputies and Dr. Bob could sometimes be. I nearly always found myself again evaluating whether it was worth it or not after such discussions. It seems that Dinah came to a different answer this time, which is sad all around. :(
I'm thinking of her and the remaining deputies. I'm guessing there's some extra stress right now.
gg
Posted by Phillipa on March 4, 2008, at 12:31:42
In reply to Strong feelings, yeah me too. » Kath, posted by gardenergirl on March 4, 2008, at 12:02:04
GG a question if being a deputy is voluntary and some of the deputies as well as the posters have high stress in their lives why wouldn't the admin try to eliminate some of the stress and not stress them further? I'm confused as usual must be the pain meds. Love Phillipa
Posted by seldomseen on March 4, 2008, at 15:00:50
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by Kath on March 3, 2008, at 14:46:24
What in the heck is going on?
I've been a babbler for many years now.
I survived the hacker, the morphing civility rules, privacy issues from posters etc...Dinah is, without a doubt, a cornerstone in this community.
I don't know the events that lead up to her leaving, but I think I have a right to know and I want to hear it from you. I guess we all do.
Your input here is needed.
Seldom
Posted by 10derHeart on March 4, 2008, at 15:22:09
In reply to Strong feelings, yeah me too. » Kath, posted by gardenergirl on March 4, 2008, at 12:02:04
Posted by Kath on March 4, 2008, at 16:11:13
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - and while your at it., posted by seldomseen on March 4, 2008, at 15:00:50
> What in the heck is going on?
>
> I've been a babbler for many years now.
> I survived the hacker, the morphing civility rules, privacy issues from posters etc...
>
> Dinah is, without a doubt, a cornerstone in this community.
>
> I don't know the events that lead up to her leaving, but I think I have a right to know and I want to hear it from you. I guess we all do.
>
> Your input here is needed.I ditto the above.
Ya know, this is a place that means a lot to a lot of us.
Right now, it almost seems like you don't care that some of us are concerned about what is going on & want to understand. Maybe you don't care. I view this place as one of support to people trying to cope with depression & other mental problems. As the owner of the site, I am asking you to please let us know what is going on, so as to allow us to 'process' it & deal with it. Right now I'm experiencing this situation as a BIG addition to the other stressors in my life. I do NOT believe that being a member of PB is intended to add to our stresses. It's certainly been a mainstay of support & caring to me.
You are the only one who can clear this up for us Dr.Bob.We are asking you for an explanation as to why at least one of us, who has been a cornerstone of this "community" (or 'family' to some of us) feels she has to leave to be safe.
There is obviously some change coming up.
I do not understand why you are not commenting about this?
Would you at least please let us know either why you are not commenting?...or when you will comment?...or IF you will comment?
Thank you. Respectfully, Kath
Posted by twinleaf on March 4, 2008, at 21:39:26
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by Kath on March 4, 2008, at 16:11:13
I can't imagine that some matter of procedure would be more important here than the steadfast presence of Dinah. She has provided leadership, loyalty, unique insight, empathy and emotional support to everyone in the PB community for a number of years. If there has been one person exemplifying what is best here, it's her.
How can you allow rules and/or procedures to take precedence over a person who has given countless hours to make Babble a vibrant, valuable presence in our lives.
This is one time when it is very important that you answer us directly.
Posted by obsidian on March 4, 2008, at 23:55:44
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, posted by twinleaf on March 4, 2008, at 21:39:26
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 5, 2008, at 8:56:23
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by Kath on March 4, 2008, at 16:11:13
> > What in the heck is going on?
> >
> > I've been a babbler for many years now.
> > I survived the hacker, the morphing civility rules, privacy issues from posters etc...
> >
> > Dinah is, without a doubt, a cornerstone in this community.
> >
> > I don't know the events that lead up to her leaving, but I think I have a right to know and I want to hear it from you. I guess we all do.
> >
> > Your input here is needed.
>
> I ditto the above.
>
> Ya know, this is a place that means a lot to a lot of us.
>
> Right now, it almost seems like you don't care that some of us are concerned about what is going on & want to understand. Maybe you don't care. I view this place as one of support to people trying to cope with depression & other mental problems. As the owner of the site, I am asking you to please let us know what is going on, so as to allow us to 'process' it & deal with it. Right now I'm experiencing this situation as a BIG addition to the other stressors in my life. I do NOT believe that being a member of PB is intended to add to our stresses. It's certainly been a mainstay of support & caring to me.
>
> You are the only one who can clear this up for us Dr.Bob.
>
> We are asking you for an explanation as to why at least one of us, who has been a cornerstone of this "community" (or 'family' to some of us) feels she has to leave to be safe.
>
> There is obviously some change coming up.
>
> I do not understand why you are not commenting about this?
>
> Would you at least please let us know either why you are not commenting?...or when you will comment?...or IF you will comment?
>
> Thank you. Respectfully, Kath
>
>I was sure I would wake up this morning to find some type of posting from Dr. Bob. It was rather disappointing to see nothing from him.
Why he is not addressing such a serious issue; losing 2 experienced and excellent deputies over what sounds like a rule change, is beyond me.
I guess he has more important things to take care of. I feel that this board is probably not his #1 priority.
Hopefully we can get SOME sort of answer soon. It's killing me to lose these deputies without any understanding of the issues at hand.
Dr. Bob, could you PLEASE, PLEASE address this TODAY?
Thank you very much for your courtesy,
Phoenix1
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 5, 2008, at 9:02:06
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, posted by Phoenix1 on March 5, 2008, at 8:56:23
Posted by muffled on March 5, 2008, at 11:41:08
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, posted by Phoenix1 on March 5, 2008, at 8:56:23
Posted by 10derHeart on March 5, 2008, at 12:45:29
In reply to Don't hold your breath guys...... (nm), posted by muffled on March 5, 2008, at 11:41:08
Posted by Toph on March 5, 2008, at 15:27:43
In reply to Re: Dr Bob... what is going on?? plllleeeeeeeze... » alex_again, posted by rskontos on March 5, 2008, at 13:53:53
Although this discussion is spirited, I reiterate my hypothesis from that very thread:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080204/msgs/813815.html
Posted by 10derHeart on March 5, 2008, at 16:24:56
In reply to Re: Dr Bob... what is going on?? plllleeeeeeeze... » alex_again, posted by rskontos on March 5, 2008, at 13:53:53
> Alex
> Can you clarify this statement,http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20080221/msgs/815885.html
That's the post she mentioned, but I don't think it's really going to make anything clear. In fact, it may make things worse :-( I wish I could assist, I really do, but this is 100% Dr. Bob's issue. To paraphrase Dinah, I *know* I wouldn't state the new idea/method/change of Dr. Bob's as he would, or at least not frame it the same way. So I just can't speak for him and I will not. In fact, I understand so little of his POV, I couldn't explain it if I wanted to.
>I have been too upset to post since this.
I am so sorry, rsk. I wish I knew what else to say, but I don't. Don't be afraid. Posters are still here, and posting continues. Get support, do as you have been - it's okay, really. That all sounds simplistic and weird, but I mean it, I don't think that any of this will ultimately fatally wound Babble. I think Babble will continue.
>It looks like in light of this and all the deputies leaving or those that were previous ones leaving
Except for what Dinah has said she's doing as a deputy and/or poster, no current deputies are leaving. At least not right now. Anyone might choose to end their volunteering as a deputy for any number of reasons at any time. But Racer is not leaving, I am not leaving and Auntie Mel isn't leaving (isn't active lately, though.)
Unless I missed something, no former deputies actually said they were leaving either. ??
>Babble is indeed in trouble and with our queries being unanswered it leaves me to believe something serious is going on and that makes me more uneasy.
I get that, but as far as I know, nothing serious is going on (of course I don't know what you have in mind exactly) more than what Dinah has been comfortable sharing here. Policy changes, already started, it seems, as yet not explained or up for straightforward community discussion here. Nothing more than that. Only Dr. Bob knows for sure, but that's my take.
Hope that helps, not hurts more by adding confusion and fueling speculation. Seems like a bit of a no win position to be in for deputies - and Dinah - at this moment.
:-(
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 5, 2008, at 16:58:24
In reply to what is going on?? » rskontos, posted by Toph on March 5, 2008, at 15:27:43
> Although this discussion is spirited, I reiterate my hypothesis from that very thread:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080204/msgs/813815.htmlToph,
You wrote that [... hypothesis is that the vitality of this community seems to mirror the interest of...].
I wonder if that could be statisitcally determined or if there is another method to use to arrive at that hypothesis? If there is, could you post any criteria that could be used to determine your hypothesis?
On another note, do you have an opinion as to if the 3-consecutive post rule here is in any way something that is good for the community as a whole or not? If so, if you have an opinion as to if it is good or not, could you post that here?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on March 5, 2008, at 19:14:59
In reply to Re: Dr Bob... what is going on?? plllleeeeeeeze... » rskontos, posted by 10derHeart on March 5, 2008, at 16:24:56
You know when I saw the notify admin button and see if this works better for generalizations I felt hurt as my BP post is the only time I've seen that rule used and to me I felt since I'd been blocked for it that it was no longer necessary. Might sound confusing but even on pain meds I know what I mean. Phillipa
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