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Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 14, 2008, at 1:54:17
In reply to Re: please be civil » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2008, at 0:57:04
Sorry Dr. Bob. It was just a story about somebody trying to convert the kkk people into 'peace and love' types. (I know...it will never happen...but.) It certainly was ***not*** any kind of endorsement of the kkk...and I pray it didn't come across like that. The idea was...Peace/love = good kkk = bad.
Plus, I am Canadian. We invennted, and embrace multi-culturalism. :-)Thanks,
Jay
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 14, 2008, at 1:56:10
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 14, 2008, at 1:54:17
> It was just a story about somebody trying to convert the kkk people into 'peace and love' types.
A story that included statements by the kkk people that IMO could lead others (such as Asians) to feel put down.
Bob
Posted by Verne on February 14, 2008, at 2:22:21
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 14, 2008, at 1:54:17
Jay, you constantly take pride in being Canadian. Now you've invented everything from multi-culturism, to peace and love.
You're easily the most racist, nationalistic, poster on this board. You hate Americans, not "America", not the "administration", not "Bush", you hate us - you hate americans.
You, like many Canadians, love to hate America. I've seen your town hall meetings and found the hate you feel for us, breathtaking and dumbfounding.
You're just another sanctimonious american- (people) hating Canadian. You're as nazi, and nationalistic as they come.
Canada's real contribution to the world is the con-game. It's a billion dollar industry centered in Monteral and Toronto, conning Americans with everything from credit card scams to phoney vacations.
You must enjoy that since most Canadians believe Americans deserve to be ripped off. That's about all Canada is good for - being the neighborly con artist. Entire office complexes in major cities in Canada have no other goal.
Beside all that, Jay, your sheer hate for Americans (notice I didn't say "America") is exceptional. You hate "us". Not the government, not the administration(usual Canadian ploy), you hate us.
Verne
Posted by zazenducke on February 14, 2008, at 5:50:44
In reply to Canadian Inventions » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Verne on February 14, 2008, at 2:22:21
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 14, 2008, at 8:27:10
In reply to Canadian Inventions » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Verne on February 14, 2008, at 2:22:21
> You're easily the most racist, nationalistic, poster on this board.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
I encourage anyone who has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing themselves, to see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: According to the formula:
duration of previous block: 39 weeks
period of time since previous block: 4 weeks
severity: 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual) = 3
block length = 105.5 capped = 52 weeks
Posted by karen_kay on February 14, 2008, at 13:13:15
In reply to Canadian Inventions » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Verne on February 14, 2008, at 2:22:21
may as well be a hundred... i bet jay will be over it in alot less than a year!
geez mister bob! CAP ON BLOCKS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD????? i'll send you dirty pictures if you do (no charge)!
kk, who's taking off her clothes :)
Posted by Toph on February 14, 2008, at 14:06:10
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 year » Verne, posted by Dr. Bob on February 14, 2008, at 8:27:10
See, now this is what really bugs me about this place Bob. When a veteran poster who, in my experience, is generally a supportive and genuine participant starts behaving as if they are acting out some personal emotional problem here and the response is to banish him from a purported mental health support forum, well, it just strikes me as wrong. I know that civility is necessary here, but at the expense of support? Have you contacted verne and asked him if he's okay? If possible, I hope someone does and reports back, because these banishments can often be more upsetting to many of us on PB than are the offenses of an upset poster.
Posted by Sigismund on February 14, 2008, at 15:18:57
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 year » Dr. Bob, posted by Toph on February 14, 2008, at 14:06:10
That's a pity Verne.
I kinda hoped you would make it round to the Politics Board for a friendly little chat.
Posted by Phoenix1 on February 14, 2008, at 16:01:41
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 year » Dr. Bob, posted by Toph on February 14, 2008, at 14:06:10
> See, now this is what really bugs me about this place Bob. When a veteran poster who, in my experience, is generally a supportive and genuine participant starts behaving as if they are acting out some personal emotional problem here and the response is to banish him from a purported mental health support forum, well, it just strikes me as wrong. I know that civility is necessary here, but at the expense of support? Have you contacted verne and asked him if he's okay? If possible, I hope someone does and reports back, because these banishments can often be more upsetting to many of us on PB than are the offenses of an upset poster.
Toph,
There may be a history of supportive friendly posts, but I feel like lately, the posts have been clearly uncivil.
Note this thread:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080204/msgs/812603.html
A teenage girl is reduced to tears by what I feel is a totally unnecessary, accusatory, and angry post that was clearly intended to hurt feelings. And there was 0 provocation, totally out of left field. IMO that post should be the one resulting in the 1 year ban. And why is it one year? Look at the LONG LONG history of warnings and blocks for this poster. It stretches back years. I feel like this person needs to work on civility skills. I think on PB, we often go way, WAY overboard to enforce civility, but here is a case that I actually feel is totally justified. I do, however hope that someone contacts Verne to make sure he's OK. I know that blocks can be painful, but in this case it really did seem necessary for the greater good... Just my opinion.
Phoenix1
Posted by Toph on February 14, 2008, at 16:57:01
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 year » Toph, posted by Phoenix1 on February 14, 2008, at 16:01:41
I concur that a disturbing pattern of offensive posts developed Phoenix, and that there needs to be support for anyone who is harmed by another poster. My only concern is that people in this community have mental illness and we should expect that sometimes they may act out. I once tried to grab a bone from my dog at night. In the dark, not knowing it was me, he acted like a dog, growled and bit my hand slightly. I didn't shoot him.
Posted by Phoenix1 on February 14, 2008, at 17:03:21
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 year » Phoenix1, posted by Toph on February 14, 2008, at 16:57:01
> I concur that a disturbing pattern of offensive posts developed Phoenix, and that there needs to be support for anyone who is harmed by another poster. My only concern is that people in this community have mental illness and we should expect that sometimes they may act out. I once tried to grab a bone from my dog at night. In the dark, not knowing it was me, he acted like a dog, growled and bit my hand slightly. I didn't shoot him.
I like your dog analogy, it's very appropriate in this situation. I have to agree with you. I think a year is excessive. It really is no different than permanent banishment. And we do have to recognize that as people with mental illnesses, we may not always have the presence of mind to abide by the civility rules. But I feel that there is a long pattern with the poster in question. How do you protect the rest of the PB community from repeated incivility? How do you reconcile saving an individual from exclusion by putting the group at risk of emotional harm? It's a tough decision, and I'm certainly glad I don't have to make it.
Phoenix1
Posted by zazenducke on February 14, 2008, at 18:19:56
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 year » Toph, posted by Phoenix1 on February 14, 2008, at 16:01:41
Why didn't Bob remove the post as soon as he read it? Does he not also bear responsibility for his decision and its consequences?
>
> A teenage girl is reduced to tears
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on February 14, 2008, at 18:33:47
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 year » Phoenix1, posted by Toph on February 14, 2008, at 16:57:01
>a disturbing pattern of offensive posts
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
-- 10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on February 14, 2008, at 18:34:15
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 year » Toph, posted by Phoenix1 on February 14, 2008, at 16:01:41
>the posts have been clearly uncivil.
>this person needs to work on civility skills
>a totally unnecessary, accusatory, and angry post that was clearly intended to hurt feelings.Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
Since you've been warned recently, and also given a demonstration of a rephrase using "I" statements on this board, I am going to block you from posting for one week.
Simply placing the words "I feel" in front of statements that go on to negatively characterize posts or posters, or could lead them to feel accused or put down, does not meet the civility standard here. "I" statements that are okay are ones about *your* feelings, such as, "I felt upset when I read that," as opposed to, "I feel your posts are uncivil." It helps some people to ask another Babbler to be a 'civility buddy' and look over your posts before you submit them.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil.
Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
-- 10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by zazenducke on February 14, 2008, at 18:52:21
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 14, 2008, at 1:54:17
As a philosophy, multiculturalism began as part of the pragmatism movement at the end of the nineteenth century in Britain and in the United States, then as political and cultural pluralism at the turn of the twentieth. It was partly in response to a new wave of European imperialism in sub-Saharan Africa and the massive immigration of Southern and Eastern Europeans to the United States and Latin America. Philosophers, psychologists and historians and early sociologists such as Charles Sanders Peirce, William James, George Santayana, Horace Kallen, John Dewey, W.E.B. Du Bois and Alain Locke developed concepts of cultural pluralism, from which emerged what we understand today as multiculturalism. In Pluralistic Universe (1909), William James espoused the idea of a "plural society." James saw pluralism as "crucial to the formation of philosophical and social humanism to help build a better, more egalitarian society.[1]
In the Western English-speaking countries, multiculturalism as an official national policy started in Canada in 1971
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism
Jay I don't believe it is quite accurate to say Canada invented multiculturalism, at least according to the Wiki article above. But Canada is certainly to be commended for embracing the philosophy originated by the British and Americans and making it national policy :)Ideas are our best exports.
> Plus, I am Canadian. We invennted, and embrace multi-culturalism. :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
>
Posted by Toph on February 14, 2008, at 19:16:19
In reply to Please Be Civil » Toph, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on February 14, 2008, at 18:33:47
> >a disturbing pattern of offensive posts
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
>Just curious, if the posts weren't offensive, then why was the poster blocked for a year?
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 14, 2008, at 19:45:21
In reply to Re: peace and love, posted by Dr. Bob on February 14, 2008, at 1:56:10
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 14, 2008, at 20:04:06
In reply to the invention of multi-culturalism » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by zazenducke on February 14, 2008, at 18:52:21
I think this topic probably belongs on another board, but I thought it was obvious I was far from being literal.
Jay
Posted by Justherself54 on February 14, 2008, at 20:04:42
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 week » Phoenix1, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on February 14, 2008, at 18:34:15
Why does simply speaking the truth deserve a block?
I FEEL Phoenix1 has turned out to be one of the most supportive and informed posters and has helped me greatly.
I FEEL so sick of the civility rules and all the I, I, I,'s we have to rack our brains about before we post.
I FEEL what he said was nothing but the truth..
I FEEL this will not only hurt Phoenix1 but also all the people he is and could be helping during his block..
I FEEL very, very angry!!
Posted by Dinah on February 14, 2008, at 21:02:55
In reply to Re: Please Be Civil » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Toph on February 14, 2008, at 19:16:19
Dr. Bob has long held the position that blocked posters are protected equally under the civility guidelines and the same rules apply to everyone. So even if someone is blocked for saying something, maybe even especially if someone is blocked for saying something, Babblers still have to be careful not to post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down.
Posted by Dinah on February 14, 2008, at 21:14:10
In reply to Re: blocked for 1 weekPhoenix1, posted by Justherself54 on February 14, 2008, at 20:04:42
I think it's great to be supportive of Phoenix1. And I agree that Phoenix1 is a supportive and informed poster, and hope to see him/her back on board after this week.
If someone were to tell me I was ugly, it might be the truth, but it wouldn't be allowable under the civility guidelines. Moreover, the perception of what is true varies among people. So "truth" does not exempt one from the civility guidelines.
"I feel" does not automatically make an "I" statement. An I statement is a statement about yourself, not about those other than yourself.
"I feel very very angry." is an "I" statement. It is a statement about yourself.
"I FEEL Phoenix1 has turned out to be one of the most supportive and informed posters and has helped me greatly." is a very supportive statement about Phoenix1, not an "I" statement.
Posted by 10derHeart on February 14, 2008, at 21:19:28
In reply to Supporting Phoenix1 » Justherself54, posted by Dinah on February 14, 2008, at 21:14:10
Posted by zazenducke on February 14, 2008, at 21:53:26
In reply to Supporting Phoenix1 » Justherself54, posted by Dinah on February 14, 2008, at 21:14:10
Is "I feel like a radioactive skunk at a sunday school party" a thought or a feeling?
I feel curious.
Posted by zazenducke on February 14, 2008, at 21:57:39
In reply to thought or feeling? » Dinah, posted by zazenducke on February 14, 2008, at 21:53:26
Posted by Dinah on February 14, 2008, at 22:04:48
In reply to thought or feeling? » Dinah, posted by zazenducke on February 14, 2008, at 21:53:26
It's an "I" statement, which would be the point as far as civility guidelines were concerned.
In a nonadministrative thought, my guess is that it would be a description of a feeling, since you probably don't mean you think you were a radioactive skunk? Even I feel angry is a thought about a feeling isn't it?
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