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Posted by Racer on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:41
In reply to Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 18:38:57
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> If deputies are allowed to send snide and sarcastic babblemails then I can't be safe here.
Isn't it possible that the babblemail in question was meant in all sincerity? With no sarcasm involved whatsoever?Admittedly, I know who the deputy in question is, and I am basing this idea on my own experience of her. Still, I wonder if you might be jumping to conclusions based on insufficient evidence?
Racer, acting as a poster, NOT as a deputy
Posted by Gabbi-2 on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by Daisym on April 21, 2007, at 18:45:00
Wow, that looked absolutely sincere to me.
And why would one use babblemail to convey sarcasm, when an honest question or gripe would go over much better there than on the board.
Posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch » verne, posted by Racer on April 21, 2007, at 19:00:54
She writes: "I apologize for misunderstanding your earlier post containing your apology. It certainly *seemed straightforward* to me, but I apparently interpreted beyond what was there, not an uncommon thing on the internet."
If that isn't ACCUSING me of NOT being straightforward and sincere with my earlier apology then what is it doing? Prefaced with "I apologize for *misunderstanding* your earlier apology" - it sounds sweet and innocent but what is the real message?
She's saying, in a less than direct way, that my apology wasn't "straightforward" - accusing me of a lack of sincerity. She out did me for a lack of straightforwardness - I'll give her that.
Am I the only one who gets this?
Verne
Posted by tofuemmy on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 18:38:57
I read and re-read that email, and it honestly doesn't sound sarcastic to me at all. It sounds completely genuine.
emmy
Posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by tofuemmy on April 21, 2007, at 19:17:59
You've all demonstrated you're loyal above all else - which I guess is what the in-crowd is supposed to do.
Good job!
Verne
Posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch » tofuemmy, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 19:23:59
Besides, anyone who agrees with me, risks exile. You hold all the cards but the Truth.
Your *lock-step* lack of discernment, truly frightens me.
Verne
Posted by tofuemmy on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch » tofuemmy, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 19:23:59
I've never been "in" in my entire life. If you ever saw me, you'd believe that.
I was being completely honest in my post. I'd swear on a stack of bibles if one could do that online. Could I swear on Wikipedia?
I guess we just interpret things differently.
em
Posted by Honore on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 19:27:09
Hi, Verne.
I personally don't know what the sentences you quoted mean-- whether they were meant sincerely or sarcastically- because there's not enough context for them to be interpreted very precisely.
However, I feel very comfortable saying what I believe, on this site, whether anyone else here agrees wtih it or not. I don't believe that I risk exile for saying it.
I think iit's important, though, to try to say things tactfully and with consideration for the feelings of others. This is true whether the person is acting as a deputy or otherwise-- whether the person is a deputy or is not. Even if I'm frustrated or hurt. I don't always succeed-- but I am persuaded that it's important to try.
I can see that you're hurting. For that I"m sorry. I very much hope you don't leave here.
But I did want to say that if I thought there were unfairness on the part of anyone here, and that it demanded a response, I wouldn't hesitate to call it as I saw it.
Honore
Posted by Happyflower on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 18:38:57
From my experience, which i learned much too late, I have found it is easier for a lot of babblers to support someone off the boards because it involves less risk to voice their views privately especially if it goes against the "in crowd", and they are part of the in crowd. I have been supported by so many, some might surprise you.
Personally if a deputy makes a mistake on their judgement on the boards, I feel it should be posted publically so others can see 1) they can be wrong 2) people who read the thread will feel better for the truth 3) future readers will be able to see what is acceptable and what isn't and 4) would cause a lot less hurt and the "private " apology might be taken less sincere since it was hidden from all the other babblers.
Posted by Happyflower on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 18:38:57
Something I also learned from my T , is that an appology that contains a BUT or BECAUSE, is an excuse, not someone taking ownership of doing something wrong.
Posted by Happyflower on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 18:38:57
Hey Verne!
I prefere the caveman incivility, at least it is honest, and you know where the person is coming from without question. ;-) But I am a women, so hear me roar (like a man) :-) Maybe that is why I have a lot more men friends then females. Who knows?
I will miss ya if you are gone. :( but I understand, I am close to that point again.
Posted by Gabbi-2 on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:42
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 19:27:09
> Besides, anyone who agrees with me, risks exile. You hold all the cards but the Truth.
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> Your *lock-step* lack of discernment, truly frightens me.
>Verne I've agreed with you on many occasions, I've also held unpopular opinions on many occasions, for example I got blasted for my conversations with "So" the poster of multiple names.
I've no fear of exile if it's for something I believe in.
I tend to look at what's being said, not at the poster.
So just because I've disagreed with you on some points doesn't mean I've suddenly joined in blind loyalty to some "in crowd" and I don't think anyone here really feels too "in"We're all here for a reason ya know..involuntary commitment mental hospitals, crappy psychiatrists.. meds that throw you into another universe, Doctors who laugh at you. It's not *really* conducive to the feeling of being part of an in crowd. But we all hurt deeply, some of us just don't show it as readily
Posted by Dinah on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:43
In reply to Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 18:38:57
> If deputies are allowed to send snide and sarcastic babblemails then I can't be safe here.
I've asked you to be civil before, so I'm going to have to block you from posting. I'm setting the length at one week, and Dr. Bob can adjust it as necessary.
Also, please do not publicly post private correspondence. If you have any questions about the rules concerning this, you might wish to review the FAQ.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Dr. Bob, as always, has the ability to reverse deputy decisions if he believes they are incorrect. If you wish to appeal this decision to him, please use his email address, at the bottom of each page.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2007, at 23:12:41
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch » verne, posted by Gabbi-2 on April 21, 2007, at 20:40:03
Gabbi that's true in real life too. Don't you think? Love Phillipa
Posted by greywolf on April 22, 2007, at 0:42:16
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch » verne, posted by Gabbi-2 on April 21, 2007, at 20:40:03
These exchanges make me feel sad. I have little doubt that if everyone in this thread sat down for a cup of coffee together, everything would be settled amicably in a matter of minutes.I think the net can be oversensitizing and desensitizing at the same time, if that makes any sense. Almost everyone I've become familiar with here seems like a very decent person, and that gives me reason to be very liberal with the benefit of the doubt. I find comfort in believing that goodness motivates most people (though I'm sometimes proven wrong), and I think it's particularly beneficial to approach interaction on a site like Dr. Bob's in the same way.
Greywolf
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on April 22, 2007, at 7:58:45
In reply to Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 18:38:57
Hello
Well, I have to say I agree somewhat with Verne. Beyond Dr Bob, who I feel is brutally fair and equal, I do find that some deputies tend to be more lenient on certain sub-sets of posters, than others.
Perhaps its just how I see things.
Anyway I have to also agree with daisym's statement eariler:
"All of the deputies are middle aged white women who frequent the psychology board. Maybe it is easier for you to relate to them than it is for others."
And may I add, AMERICAN? It would be nice to see perhaps a male poster (other than Bob!) or perhaps someone not on the North American landmass.
Although I always thought that Dinah was African American for some reason. But then, what do I know??
Posted by gardenergirl on April 22, 2007, at 14:54:59
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch, posted by Meri-Tuuli on April 22, 2007, at 3:56:36
Could some of that apparent leniency have to do with a poster's history of PBC's and blocks? This history is not detailed in any new action, so other posters may be unaware of it. But it's a factor in determining what action to take if one is warranted. Someone with multiple PBCs and blocks has certainly been warned about the rules many times. It's not an unreasonable assumption to make that they know that the behavior cited is likely to result in future action if continued. Shouldn't that factor into any decision, then, if they do choose to continue behavior that has previously resulted in a block?
Namaste
gg
PS: I'd love to see more diversity among the deputies. I'm sure there is a self-selection bias at play, because males and minority posters don't seem to volunteer as frequently as white women.
Posted by NikkiT2 on April 23, 2007, at 12:37:56
In reply to Re: Babblemail Sucker Punch » tofuemmy, posted by verne on April 21, 2007, at 19:23:59
Let me get this straight.
If we disagree with your interpretation of the babblemail, then we are simply being loyal or sticking with the in-crowd?
Wow!
Nikki
Posted by Sigismund on June 4, 2007, at 1:15:39
In reply to Blocked for a week » verne, posted by Dinah on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:43
So Verne was blocked for a week?
That must be up by now.
Or does Dr Bob have to make a final ruling?
Posted by gardenergirl on June 4, 2007, at 12:23:30
In reply to Re: Blocked for a week » Dinah, posted by Sigismund on June 4, 2007, at 1:15:39
Dr. Bob either didn't get a chance to review it within that period, or he decided to leave it at one week. No changes were made to the one week length set by Dinah.
Hope this helps,
gg
Posted by Phillipa on June 4, 2007, at 19:37:35
In reply to Re: Blocked for a week » Dinah, posted by Sigismund on June 4, 2007, at 1:15:39
So what happened to Vern? It's June now where did he go? Love Phillipa
Posted by zenhussy on June 5, 2007, at 11:08:44
In reply to Re: Blocked for a week » Sigismund, posted by Phillipa on June 4, 2007, at 19:37:35
>> So what happened to Vern? It's June now where did he go? Love Phillipa<<
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http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070423/msgs/757460.htmlBlocked » verne
Posted by Racer on May 10, 2007, at 12:14:32In reply to More Sniping, posted by verne on May 10, 2007, at 11:48:01
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> Gardengirl is one of the most defensive, retaliatory, and vindictive posters I've ever encountered. She knows how to get in her little digs and still be *civil*. She epitomizes what's wrong with this site.<Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. You just got back from one block, and this post is clearly uncivil towards an individual poster, so I will let Dr Bob set the length of this block.
If you have any questions, please check the FAQ, at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil Any follow ups to this action should themselves be civil.
Racer, acting as deputy to Dr Bob <<<<
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~seems like dynamic deputy Racer left it to Dr. Bob to set block lengths and since the good doctor appears to still be at large it could follow that the length has yet to be determined by the owner of this site.....
dunno.
Posted by gardenergirl on June 5, 2007, at 11:21:36
In reply to maybe this will answer some questions.... » Phillipa, posted by zenhussy on June 5, 2007, at 11:08:44
Thanks for catching my goof, zen. I was looking at the prior block from April.
The system shows the block length was set at 3 weeks, though it doesn't show whether that was Racer's original length or a change made by Dr. Bob. Regardless, the block ended May 31.
gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 12, 2007, at 11:32:59
In reply to Blocked for a week » verne, posted by Dinah on April 21, 2007, at 21:14:43
> I'm setting the length at one week, and Dr. Bob can adjust it as necessary.
According to the current system:
previous block: 15 weeks
period of time since previous block: 18 weeks
uncivil toward a particular individual or group: yes
particularly uncivil: no
different type of incivility: no
clearly didn't understand PBC and made effort to reply: no
provoked: no
uncivil in multiple posts at same time: no
already archived: noIf we take 18 weeks, divide by 10, and round, that's a reduction of 2 weeks. If we apply that to your previous block, that's 15 - 2 = 13 weeks. And if we triple that, that's 39 weeks (from the original date of this block).
Bob
Posted by karen_kay on June 17, 2007, at 19:49:25
In reply to Re: the length » verne, posted by Dr. Bob on June 12, 2007, at 11:32:59
mister bob,
are you using kid's calculator watch again?
just wondering, because i'm no mathematician but i'll really miss verne,
kk
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