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Posted by Franz on January 24, 2007, at 21:54:10
In reply to Re: THE POLICE » Jeroen, posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2007, at 2:45:02
> > DR BOB, HAS FILED A COMPLAINT AT THE POLICE
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> I did ask that the police be contacted last year, but I don't know what's going on now. I sent you an email with the details...
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> Bob
A doctor calling the police to contact a board member and not giving any reason or explanation t o the board members when the issue comes out?. This is very scary. Not very mental health oriented I would say. Make me think is is a wrong place to discuss any serious issue.I think Dr. Bob owes us an explanation. This is iatrogenic!.
BTW why do you use Re: if you are note replying?.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2007, at 23:04:57
In reply to this is scary Re: THE POLICE, posted by Franz on January 24, 2007, at 21:54:10
> > > DR BOB, HAS FILED A COMPLAINT AT THE POLICE
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> > I did ask that the police be contacted last year, but I don't know what's going on now. I sent you an email with the details...
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> > Bob
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> A doctor calling the police to contact a board member and not giving any reason or explanation t o the board members when the issue comes out?. This is very scary. Not very mental health oriented I would say. Make me think is is a wrong place to discuss any serious issue.
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> I think Dr. Bob owes us an explanation. This is iatrogenic!.
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> BTW why do you use Re: if you are note replying?.
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>I feel scared by it. I was stunned and do not understand what rule was broken. If you are not civil you get blocked on here after a while. I didn't know the cops would be called...I am looking forward to an explaination
Posted by muffled on January 24, 2007, at 23:28:51
In reply to Re: this is scary Re: THE POLICE » Franz, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2007, at 23:04:57
I don't think you need to be afraid. I think Bobs policy is that of any professional. If he thinks you are truly at risk of hurting yourself or others, or if there is minor at risk or perhaps himself at risk, then of course he would call cops. I would too, and I HATE cops mostly. Some are OK I guess though. Ratting someone out is real bad in my world, but I would do it for above reasons.
As to whatever happened w/this guy above, I don't really want to know.
I scared of Bob sometimes, but i NOT scared he will call cops on me.
Muffled
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 25, 2007, at 0:14:23
In reply to Re: what was uncivil » gardenergirl, posted by NikkiT2 on January 24, 2007, at 5:30:09
> I thought we were going to vote on new deputy's? Was that decision changed?
It's something I've been interested in trying, but we're not there yet. Maybe next time?
Bob
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 25, 2007, at 0:29:08
In reply to Nahh, posted by muffled on January 24, 2007, at 23:28:51
Yo Muff...I am not afraid Dr Bob would call the cops for harm to ones self or others but this poster said they JUST called someone a name and I am looking to see this clarified.
> I don't think you need to be afraid. I think Bobs policy is that of any professional. If he thinks you are truly at risk of hurting yourself or others, or if there is minor at risk or perhaps himself at risk, then of course he would call cops. I would too, and I HATE cops mostly. Some are OK I guess though. Ratting someone out is real bad in my world, but I would do it for above reasons.
> As to whatever happened w/this guy above, I don't really want to know.
> I scared of Bob sometimes, but i NOT scared he will call cops on me.
> Muffled
Posted by Franz on January 25, 2007, at 7:35:45
In reply to Nahh, posted by muffled on January 24, 2007, at 23:28:51
> I don't think you need to be afraid. I think Bobs policy is that of any professional.
ANY mental healthprofessional wold clarify any problem and would not let anxieties or phantasies arise.
I hope he explains, I am sure he has reasons, but as long as he does not give any he is not acting like a mental health professional.
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 25, 2007, at 7:49:14
In reply to Re: vote on new deputy's, posted by Dr. Bob on January 25, 2007, at 0:14:23
Out of interest, why did you tell a deputy to PBC, yet when I contacted you to ask about if the new deputies had been announced, you told me they were not yet undertaking duties?
Wierd!
Might be nice for deputies to have some kind of marker next to their name to signify they are deputies? because as far as I was concerned, 10derheart was simply posting as a poster - and I follow all of this as closely as I can.. can you imagine the confusion for people that don't read admin or are fairly new?
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 25, 2007, at 7:50:04
In reply to Nahh, posted by muffled on January 24, 2007, at 23:28:51
> "I don't think you need to be afraid. I think Bobs policy is that of any professional. If he thinks you are truly at risk of hurting yourself or others, or if there is minor at risk or perhaps himself at risk, then of course he would call cops."
Um, unless you are a certain someone...
*raises eye brows*
Posted by zazenduckie on January 25, 2007, at 7:57:37
In reply to Re: vote on new deputy's, posted by Dr. Bob on January 25, 2007, at 0:14:23
I've set up an exploratory committee.
Posted by muffled on January 25, 2007, at 9:35:29
In reply to Re: Nahh, posted by NikkiT2 on January 25, 2007, at 7:50:04
OK, now you guys are freaking me.
JUST called someone a name??????
There has GOT to be more to it than that? The cops would laugh at Bob if he called them for that.
But I'll admit, NOW I am a little nervous.OK NikkiT2 you GOT to tell me what you mean bt me being a certain someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Aaaaack!
I always get laughed at/with cuz I miss stuff, I don't get jokes and they goto explain them to me. I don't mind, I laugh too. Sometimes I get jokes but there a time delay!
So PLEASE take pity on me and tell me what you mean cuz i never gonna get this one!
But it WAS a fun way to start my morning.
I love laughter. Its a gift I'd say.
Take care you guys.
Muffled
Posted by laima on January 25, 2007, at 9:41:02
In reply to Re: this is scary Re: THE POLICE » Franz, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2007, at 23:04:57
My guess it wasn't a babble "rule", but some kind of evidence of criminal activity or intent. Drug distribution? A credible threat against someone perhaps? Something like that. Breaking board civility rules seems unlikely to result in police action. There are no laws about being polite that I am aware of, anyway. I also speculate that a lot of psychiatrists are experienced with being insulted by some of their patients. If Dr. Bob went to the police saying, "A poster on the internet called me a Whatever", or, "Poster So-and-So called Someone a Whatever even after we gave a PCB"- they'd likely tell him that they couldn't care less, and to stop bugging them.
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> I feel scared by it. I was stunned and do not understand what rule was broken. If you are not civil you get blocked on here after a while. I didn't know the cops would be called...I am looking forward to an explaination
Posted by 10derHeart on January 25, 2007, at 9:45:18
In reply to Re: vote on new deputy's » Dr. Bob, posted by NikkiT2 on January 25, 2007, at 7:49:14
>because as far as I was concerned, 10derheart was simply posting as a poster
So this isn't enough:
>>Respectfully,
10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob<<along with the subject line containing "PBC" which of course, any posters can use as well, but it's kinda a tip-off, and then there's the "stock" language we tend to use in the PBC about the FAQ and Dr. Bob, etc......
Or I am totally misunderstanding and you just meant *in general* you'd rather know any time you see a posting name on a thread that that person is a deputy (like w/an indicator)?
I want to understand so we can keep thinking about options for making it better and less confusing here. Because it surely *is* easy to get lost with rule changes and other things here....happens to me on a regular basis, too!
Posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 10:08:18
In reply to Re: Nahh » muffled, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 25, 2007, at 0:29:08
**> I don't think you need to be afraid. I think Bobs policy is that of any professional. If he thinks you are truly at risk of hurting yourself or others, or if there is minor at risk or perhaps himself at risk, then of course he would call cops.**
if Bob doing this as a psychiatrist or owner of the website? that's what i want to know.
Posted by Dinah on January 25, 2007, at 10:25:15
In reply to Bob Calling Cops????, posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 10:08:18
I tend to appreciate Dr. Bob's discretion in not discussing poster actions. I would be rather unhappy about seeing anything I did that long ago discussed by Dr. Bob on the Admin board. And Dr. Bob really can't give reasons in any specific instance without doing that, can he?
There are always the archives, if anyone wishes to look it up. Civility rules should of course be followed in any ensuing discussion.
I'm absolutely certain Dr. Bob only calls the police in limited circumstances, which would not include name calling, or discussion of the illegal use of drugs. How many times has the discussion of the police being called come up? Clearly not as often as names are called, or illegal drug use is discussed.
On the other hand, I imagine if outside parties seized your computer and discovered your posting name (or otherwise linked you with your posting name on this site), anything you posted would be fair game in any legal inquiries, depending on a judge's ruling. Or maybe I've watched too much TV.
Posted by Honore on January 25, 2007, at 10:48:17
In reply to Re: Bob Calling Cops????, posted by Dinah on January 25, 2007, at 10:25:15
My sense is that we can trust Bob enough to think that he called the police in a situation where calling the police was appropriate.
If something like that had happened to me, I think I wouldn't want it to be discussed now. Sometimes even when a discussion is framed in a sympathetic way, it can be disruptive to the person being discussed.
So unless there were some awfully pressing reason for bringing it up-- as opposed I guess to asking the question more abstractly-- and here I contradict myself somewhat-- but I'm sure I could make the appropriate distinctions if someone wants me to-- but I'll assume no one does-- it might be more helpful to discuss the concerns outside a specific person's experiences. Maybe if there's a hypothetical context, or a specific concern about the future, that would be better than bringing up the actual person. Esp. since, as Dinah says, it was a long time ago.
What it reminds me yet again is that it's awfully hard to formulate rules that can be applied in a blanket way-- because situations differ so much. Bob does it remarkably well. To me, the question of favoritism falls somewhat under this category: do we want a "one-size-fits-all' set of rules, which can be fairer in some ways, or a degree of flexibility in interpreting the rules (not that this could be avoided), which will feel unfair, and sometimes arbitrary in yet another way (assuming that the "one-size" type of enforcement will also seem arbitrary.)
Honore
Posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 11:40:07
In reply to Re: Bob Calling Cops????, posted by Dinah on January 25, 2007, at 10:25:15
> I tend to appreciate Dr. Bob's discretion in not discussing poster actions. I would be rather unhappy about seeing anything I did that long ago discussed by Dr. Bob on the Admin board. And Dr. Bob really can't give reasons in any specific instance without doing that, can he?
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> There are always the archives, if anyone wishes to look it up. Civility rules should of course be followed in any ensuing discussion.
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> I'm absolutely certain Dr. Bob only calls the police in limited circumstances, which would not include name calling, or discussion of the illegal use of drugs. How many times has the discussion of the police being called come up? Clearly not as often as names are called, or illegal drug use is discussed.
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> On the other hand, I imagine if outside parties seized your computer and discovered your posting name (or otherwise linked you with your posting name on this site), anything you posted would be fair game in any legal inquiries, depending on a judge's ruling. Or maybe I've watched too much TV.
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> **> I don't think you need to be afraid. I think Bobs policy is that of any professional. If he thinks you are truly at risk of hurting yourself or others, or if there is minor at risk or perhaps himself at risk, then of course he would call cops.**if Bob doing this as a psychiatrist or owner of the website? that's what i want to know.
Posted by gardenergirl on January 25, 2007, at 12:52:48
In reply to Re: Bob Calling Cops????, posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 11:40:07
Posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 13:02:27
In reply to Or as a human being? (nm) » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on January 25, 2007, at 12:52:48
certainly, gg.........thank you so much for your answer for Bob.
my question still stands for him..........
Posted by Franz on January 25, 2007, at 13:17:48
In reply to Bob Calling Cops????, posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 10:08:18
> **> I don't think you need to be afraid. I think Bobs policy is that of any professional. If he thinks you are truly at risk of hurting yourself or others, or if there is minor at risk or perhaps himself at risk, then of course he would call cops.**
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> if Bob doing this as a psychiatrist or owner of the website? that's what i want to know.huh? he is BOTH, can´t you see the DR in front of BOB?
Posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 14:07:48
In reply to Re: Bob Calling Cops???? » fayeroe, posted by Franz on January 25, 2007, at 13:17:48
> > **> I don't think you need to be afraid. I think Bobs policy is that of any professional. If he thinks you are truly at risk of hurting yourself or others, or if there is minor at risk or perhaps himself at risk, then of course he would call cops.**
> >
> > if Bob doing this as a psychiatrist or owner of the website? that's what i want to know.
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> huh? he is BOTH, can´t you see the DR in front of BOB?
>of course i see the Dr. in front of bob.
>
Posted by zazenduckie on January 25, 2007, at 15:15:10
In reply to Re: Bob Calling Cops????, posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 14:07:48
Posted by Franz on January 25, 2007, at 16:01:01
In reply to Re: Bob Calling Cops????, posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 14:07:48
> > > **> I don't think you need to be afraid. I think Bobs policy is that of any professional. If he thinks you are truly at risk of hurting yourself or others, or if there is minor at risk or perhaps himself at risk, then of course he would call cops.**
> > >
> > > if Bob doing this as a psychiatrist or owner of the website? that's what i want to know.
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> > huh? he is BOTH, can´t you see the DR in front of BOB?
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> of course i see the Dr. in front of bob.
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>I mean he HAS to act as a psychiatrist to preserve mental health of people participating here, but he seems not to care very much.
Posted by fayeroe on January 25, 2007, at 16:26:08
In reply to Re: Bob Calling Cops???? » fayeroe, posted by Franz on January 25, 2007, at 16:01:01
Posted by Franz on January 25, 2007, at 16:56:00
In reply to DR BOB, HAS FILED A COMPLAINT AT THE POLICE, posted by Jeroen on January 20, 2007, at 9:25:49
Posted by Franz on January 25, 2007, at 16:59:20
In reply to How is it that Jeroen does not give any clue? (nm) » Jeroen, posted by Franz on January 25, 2007, at 16:56:00
Dr. Bob plese say something and do not allow this issue to raise suspicion and paranoia!.
Is Jeroen well?.
Can you give a reason for calling the police -if you did so?.
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