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Posted by Glydin on July 6, 2006, at 20:15:28
In reply to Curious, posted by willyee on July 6, 2006, at 15:14:20
> I ask this because Piracetam was re-directed to alternative,and i dont see why,it is a drug,not a alternative nutrient or over the counter product.
~~~ Plenty of herbal DRUGS and other DRUG compounds are discussed on alternative. Just because a DRUG is an alternatve idea doesn't imply it has more or less validity. I remember the time when alternative drugs/ideas and RX drugs were discussed on the same board and I like there are now separate boards. I believe the redirect was appropriate.
> This just concerns me because i feel it is a connection to this whole deputy based system.....shouldent someone in charge of such a serious thing as blocking etc have some credentials that reach further than simply being a long time poster.......~~~ That is something that you could take up with Dr. Bob.
I'm not sure what additional credentials that would be other than the criteria listed by Dr. Bob and HE chooses the deputies. I believe the deputies do a good job and it is not a job that I believe MOST of us would want to take on.
Posted by willyee on July 6, 2006, at 20:27:49
In reply to Re: Curious, posted by Glydin on July 6, 2006, at 20:15:28
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> > I ask this because Piracetam was re-directed to alternative,and i dont see why,it is a drug,not a alternative nutrient or over the counter product.
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> ~~~ Plenty of herbal DRUGS and other DRUG compounds are discussed on alternative. Just because a DRUG is an alternatve idea doesn't imply it has more or less validity. I remember the time when alternative drugs/ideas and RX drugs were discussed on the same board and I like there are now separate boards. I believe the redirect was appropriate.
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> > This just concerns me because i feel it is a connection to this whole deputy based system.....shouldent someone in charge of such a serious thing as blocking etc have some credentials that reach further than simply being a long time poster.......
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> ~~~ That is something that you could take up with Dr. Bob.
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> I'm not sure what additional credentials that would be other than the criteria listed by Dr. Bob and HE chooses the deputies. I believe the deputies do a good job and it is not a job that I believe MOST of us would want to take on.How can a drug be valid to re-direct to alternative?
Then what would decide which drugs should go there and which should not?
Provigil for example is a drug when first introduced,and still now has no approval for any psych use,which makes it a off label drug,and of course this does not get re-directed.
So i ask you what is the determing factor that is responsable for a drug being moved to alternative.It obviously isnt simply off label as i mentioned we dicsucc here off label all the time,ultram provigial just to name a few.
Alternative is for people who want non-drug therpaies,herbs,nutrients,over the counter supplments,accunpuntuce etc,if we include any drug what so ever,then again what becomes the determinging factor of what goes,what stays.
I say this because i dont go to alternative here,and i dont want to miss out on information on possable drugs like the one in question because it was for what i feel wrongly placed.
If we are gonna place drugs in alternaitve,then we have quite a problem on how to dtermine what goes where........also i dont appreciate the caps used in your post,im not stupid,and would have understood your pount fully without them,Your reply dident answer anything,and honestly simply doesent surprise me as it seemd as a post of a friend comming to the aid of another when that isnt the issue,my concern is genuine,i dont want to miss out on information i could use because it is moved to another part of the group.
This answer your reply gardenr girl as well,which is i would be concerned on whoever moved it.
As far as who would want the job of deputy,this comment is again simply a comment of a friend backing another,reason being it answers nothing,has nothing to do with the concern,sure no one might not want the job,still doesent apply to the concern i have about someone with that much authrioty on here and having such a job as one does,what type of credinatials are needed,has nothing to do with whether garden girl is the nicest sweetest person in the world,i just feel being in charge of the groupd rquires a certain amount of knowledge,such i know i dont have,someone like ed uk or something i could see more fitting,meaning someone with a broad knowledge base.
Posted by Glydin on July 6, 2006, at 20:58:23
In reply to Re: Curious, posted by willyee on July 6, 2006, at 20:27:49
> How can a drug be valid to re-direct to alternative?
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> Then what would decide which drugs should go there and which should not?~~~ PDR prehaps?
> Alternative is for people who want non-drug therpaies,herbs,nutrients,over the counter supplments,accunpuntuce etc,if we include any drug what so ever,then again what becomes the determinging factor of what goes,what stays.
>~~~ That's not how I see it.
> I say this because i dont go to alternative here,and i dont want to miss out on information on possable drugs like the one in question because it was for what i feel wrongly placed.
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> If we are gonna place drugs in alternaitve,then we have quite a problem on how to dtermine what goes where........also i dont appreciate the caps used in your post,im not stupid,and would have understood your pount fully without them,
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> Your reply dident answer anything,and honestly simply doesent surprise me as it seemd as a post of a friend comming to the aid of another when that isnt the issue,my concern is genuine.~~~ My concern is genuine also and I do participate at at this board and have for four years. Issues concern me also and QUITE frankly, I feel offended by your remarks as to my intentions which I don't believe you can know and your assumptions are incorrect.
Posted by willyee on July 6, 2006, at 21:17:21
In reply to Re: Curious » willyee, posted by Glydin on July 6, 2006, at 20:58:23
> > How can a drug be valid to re-direct to alternative?
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> > Then what would decide which drugs should go there and which should not?
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> ~~~ PDR prehaps?
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> > Alternative is for people who want non-drug therpaies,herbs,nutrients,over the counter supplments,accunpuntuce etc,if we include any drug what so ever,then again what becomes the determinging factor of what goes,what stays.
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> ~~~ That's not how I see it.
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> > I say this because i dont go to alternative here,and i dont want to miss out on information on possable drugs like the one in question because it was for what i feel wrongly placed.
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> > If we are gonna place drugs in alternaitve,then we have quite a problem on how to dtermine what goes where........also i dont appreciate the caps used in your post,im not stupid,and would have understood your pount fully without them,
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> > Your reply dident answer anything,and honestly simply doesent surprise me as it seemd as a post of a friend comming to the aid of another when that isnt the issue,my concern is genuine.
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> ~~~ My concern is genuine also and I do participate at at this board and have for four years. Issues concern me also and QUITE frankly, I feel offended by your remarks as to my intentions which I don't believe you can know and your assumptions are incorrect.
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>Well im offended at your use of caps when im posting a genuine concern which still has not been adressed,PDR? PDR mentions nothing of half the drugs we talk about on this group in terms of label.
Drugs of any kind do not belong on a altertnative board,this is my belieaf.
I am also offended by your use of caps which started before i even responded to any of your responses.
PDR would be of no help determing which drugs stay on this group,and which go to alternative,no actual drug should go there,herbal supplments,even the strongest of them are not technicaly a drug,which is why they are fitting to be on the alternative group,and if i were intersted in them id go there.
My concern again is to miss something on a med simply because i dont use the alternative board,and i dont want to miss information on a drug due to it,and the drug in question would be an exact example.
Your offended yet you are the one using the caps since the first post,as well as not addressing the actual technical issue but rather the personal aspect,i dont take anything from garden girl,im sure she knows a lot her post are always informative,but this issue does concern me,and if u arent going to provide a actual response to addresses it i dont see what the problem is.
Again we discuss tons of meds on the med board that would not be mentioned in the PDR for depression,a drug should not be on a alternative board period,thats my concern more than my personal opinion.
Posted by Glydin on July 6, 2006, at 21:23:52
In reply to Re: Curious, posted by willyee on July 6, 2006, at 21:17:21
We obviously differ on this issue and I do think my responses add to the discussion. I'm sorry you don't think they do. I am sorry I offended you with my use of caps. It was not my intention but to just bring emphasis.
Further discussion of this by me will probably lead to nothing but discord. I plan to not discuss this further - I hope you get your concerns addressed on an Adm. level.
Posted by willyee on July 6, 2006, at 21:30:33
In reply to Re: Curious » willyee, posted by Glydin on July 6, 2006, at 21:23:52
Call me crazy but i see myself being blocked before my concern would be addressed.I use other resources for alternative mesasures,this is why i hope actual meds are not placed there,this one in particular is an example as its one im intersted in.
I guess i dont know why i made a stink about it as im pretty good at tracking down information on a drug that im intersted in.
I actualy garden girl dont even want to pursue it,just expressing my concern,case sa ra sa ra.
Posted by Sobriquet Style on July 7, 2006, at 4:34:01
In reply to Re: Curious » willyee, posted by gardenergirl on July 6, 2006, at 18:41:19
>I was aware that it did not appear on any of the sources I use for medication info, and that it is sold by a multitude of companies specializing in nutritional supplements.
> Again.......regulating **drug****
>The status of this substance is open to interpretation. Dr. Bob might interpret it differently and move the thread back to the meds board if he chooses.
Sites that sell nutritional supplements will also prescription drugs along side common vitamins and minerals, even controlled substances such as benzodiazepines and heavily controlled opioid prescription pain killers eg Fentanyl Patch, Buprenorphine and Hydrocodone Bitartrate and other common prescription drugs.
Piracetam is conventional western medicine, so although it may be sold along side herbs and supplements - - like the above are on the web too - - IMO it could easily be directed to Alternative, but then so could a wide array of drugs which are currently discussed on the medications board right now if thats the case. To keep things in order, I think Piracetam should be discussed on the medications board to stop any confusion about the substance.
Piracetam is related to levetiracetam chemically and pharmacologically, levetiracetam is marketed as Keppra. Indications for Keppra are for epilepsy. Levetiracetam has also been studied in clinical trials for Myoclonic
Seizures.Piracetams indications (from the BNF) is for adjunctive treatment of cortical myoclonus - Sudden spasm of muscles. It is marketed as Nootropil by UCB Pharma Limited.
http://emc.medicines.org.uk/emc/assets/c/html/displaydoc.asp?documentid=16509
The marketed name Nootropil - - I think was possibly the start of the "Nootropics"
*Most nootropics are nutrients or plant components (herbs, roots, beans, bark, etc.), available over the counter at health food and grocery stores, and are used as nutritional supplements. Some nootropics are drugs, used to treat retardation, neural degradation (Alzheimer's and Parkinson's), and for cases of oxygen deficit to prevent hypoxia.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic
As you see from the link many of the "nootropics" are indeed vitamins and herbal substances which are discussed on the alernative board eg St Johns Wort, B vitamins and amino acids etc.
You will also see Amphetamines (Adderall, Dexedrine) - Schedule II / Class B drugs, Modafinil (Provigil) - Drug, Selegiline (Deprenyl) - Drug, Adrafinil (Olmifon) - Drug.....including Piracetam (Nootropil) - Drug.
All of the above (minus Piracetam) are discussed on the medications board. Therefore I think Piracetam should be too, as its a drug and not suited to "Alternative".
Otherwise based on the wiki link, theres possibly lots more redirecting to do with the above drugs! :-)
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Posted by Sobriquet Style on July 7, 2006, at 4:59:11
In reply to Re: Curious, posted by Sobriquet Style on July 7, 2006, at 4:34:01
The piracetam is liquid, prescribed by our doctor http://www.ceri.com/q_v7n7q1.htm
Piracetam is the first of a novel class of drugs labelled as nootropics or "smart drugs". In the mid 1960s it was first synthesized at UCB labs in Belgium and its unique pharmacological properties prompted UCB researcher Giurgea to create the new class of drugs. http://www.neopharmacology.com/
Though rare in the United States, Piracetam is commonly prescribed in Europe for a variety of conditions.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam
Piracetam, solution for injection is used in cases of severe brain diseases: cerebro-cranial trauma in acute stage, comatose states, ischemic stroke, acute psychic disturbances due to intoxications, alcohol delirium. Piracetam tablets are used in cerebro-vascular disease; degenerative cortical dementia (Alzheimer’s disease); senile psychoorganic syndrome (“aging brain”); cortical myoclonia; dyslexia of vascular and other origin; vestibulopathies; protection of the nervous tissue in a brain hypoxia; postoperative deliriums. http://www.sopharma.com/piracetam.phtml
Effect of piracetam on ECT-induced cognitive disturbances: a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind study.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12394531&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
Does piracetam counteract the ECT-induced memory dysfunctions in depressed patients?http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1096538&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
Should this be redirected to the "medications" board or "alternative"?
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Posted by willyee on July 7, 2006, at 6:35:50
In reply to Re: Curious, posted by Sobriquet Style on July 7, 2006, at 4:59:11
> The piracetam is liquid, prescribed by our doctor http://www.ceri.com/q_v7n7q1.htm
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> Piracetam is the first of a novel class of drugs labelled as nootropics or "smart drugs". In the mid 1960s it was first synthesized at UCB labs in Belgium and its unique pharmacological properties prompted UCB researcher Giurgea to create the new class of drugs. http://www.neopharmacology.com/
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> Though rare in the United States, Piracetam is commonly prescribed in Europe for a variety of conditions.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam
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> Piracetam, solution for injection is used in cases of severe brain diseases: cerebro-cranial trauma in acute stage, comatose states, ischemic stroke, acute psychic disturbances due to intoxications, alcohol delirium. Piracetam tablets are used in cerebro-vascular disease; degenerative cortical dementia (Alzheimer’s disease); senile psychoorganic syndrome (“aging brain”); cortical myoclonia; dyslexia of vascular and other origin; vestibulopathies; protection of the nervous tissue in a brain hypoxia; postoperative deliriums. http://www.sopharma.com/piracetam.phtml
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> Effect of piracetam on ECT-induced cognitive disturbances: a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind study.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12394531&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
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> Does piracetam counteract the ECT-induced memory dysfunctions in depressed patients?http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1096538&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
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>Thanks for the throuough information,your right piracetam is the godfather of the Nootropics.
Strange how some people do very very well adding to this a drug regimine,others cant tolerate it,goes to show not everyone is wired the same,whats good for the goose might not be for the gander.I also wondered about Hydegine at times,im just hestiant to start using smart drugs in combos yet,but like you said u might find sites offering these drugs along with common nutrients and herbs,however they are still most definatly drugs and not over the counter substances.If they were i had tried most of them by now,they are quite serious substances when using them in vivo medication.
Thanks for your post.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2006, at 11:05:06
In reply to Re: Curious » willyee, posted by gardenergirl on July 6, 2006, at 18:41:19
> Alternative is for people who want non-drug therpaies,herbs,nutrients,over the counter supplments,accunpuntuce etc,if we include any drug what so ever,then again what becomes the determinging factor of what goes,what stays.
Alternative is for people who want
> > medical and health care systems, practices, and products that are not presently considered to be part of conventional medicine
http://nccam.nih.gov/health/whatiscam
I haven't been considering it presently part of conventional medicine. So all the recent discussion has been on Alternative. But that may be because its use is
> > rare in the United States
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060622/msgs/664785.html
The NCCAM does also say:
> > Biologically based therapies in CAM use substances found in nature, such as herbs, foods, and vitamins. Some examples include dietary supplements,3 herbal products, and the use of other so-called natural but as yet scientifically unproven therapies (for example, using shark cartilage to treat cancer).
Is piracetam found in nature?
> I say this because i dont go to alternative here,and i dont want to miss out on information on possable drugs like the one in question because it was for what i feel wrongly placed.
Just because something isn't conventional doesn't mean it can't be helpful...
Bob
Posted by Sobriquet Style on July 7, 2006, at 12:43:15
In reply to Re: Alternative, posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2006, at 11:05:06
>Is piracetam found in nature?
Piracetam is a very similar substance to Levetiracetam (Keppra)
Both drugs were synthesized by UCB Pharma, a drugs company.
AFAIK, both drugs; 2-(2-oxopyrrolidin-1-yl)butanamide - - and - - 2-oxo-1-pyrrolidineacetamide were found in pharmaceutical drug laboratories http://ucbpharma.com/index.asp
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Posted by Sobriquet Style on July 7, 2006, at 13:02:01
In reply to Re: Alternative, posted by Sobriquet Style on July 7, 2006, at 12:43:15
http://ucbpharma.com/products/cns/nootropil/index.asp
Nootropil®, Noostan™, Nootrop™, Nootropyl™
Nootropil® (piracetam) belongs to a family of cognition enhancing medicines called nootropics. It was first marketed for the treatment of vertigo and events associated with ageing. It is currently approved in over 100 countries for use in adults and the elderly.
Nootropil®'s main indications are in the area of psycho-organic syndromes or cognitive decline and cortical myoclonus.
If a drug is approved in over 100 countries but not in the USA or is rare by USA standards, does that mean on this website it will be classed as a herb or vitamin, or alternative substance? Just curious about the accuracy and dominance this factor may conclude about the information presented here...~
Posted by Racer on July 7, 2006, at 13:17:29
In reply to Re: Alternative, posted by Sobriquet Style on July 7, 2006, at 13:02:01
OK, so there are a lot of different views on what is or is not Alternative. ANY line we draw will be arbitrary, which I think we can pretty much all get behind, right?
How about we decide on a reference work or two, and use those to decide where something will go? I'd suggest PDR, the Merck Manual, or the like. Maybe use RXLIST.com, since it's easily searchable? That way, while we may not all agree with the reference work in question, we're still all on the same page -- in the same book, no less -- regarding where such chemical compounds should be placed within this site?
Posted by willyee on July 7, 2006, at 21:17:18
In reply to A Modest Proposal to settle this?, posted by Racer on July 7, 2006, at 13:17:29
I simply feel a synthetic made drug should not be on Alternative,to the degree what i believe is important is another issue,but ive researched drugs....nutrients herbs and such for over 8 years now,and thats pretty much the way it is placed,even if a substance,example GHB found naturaly begins to be made in a lab,with synthetic compunds and labled as a drug,it is simply no longer a natural alternative but a pharmcutical drug,dont see the problem here,if a chemical is owned and back by a pharm company,then it should go to the medication page.
I dont take any value away from the alternative group here,i just go to a different place for alternative information,so i would miss a drug if it were placed there,again this is just one person among many,but whatever decision is made ill walk away knowing there really wasnt much debate,a synthetic pharmcutical drug is simply not a natural alternative,even if the substance is a natural one,as GHB is,ghb once listed as such,in terms of xyrem which is what it is now,is a prescription drug and removed from many sites that once spoke about it often when it was a natural compound labled as such.They dont do much speaking on xyrem now as its a drug not a supplement any longer.
Posted by willyee on July 8, 2006, at 10:53:20
In reply to A Modest Proposal to settle this?, posted by Racer on July 7, 2006, at 13:17:29
> OK, so there are a lot of different views on what is or is not Alternative. ANY line we draw will be arbitrary, which I think we can pretty much all get behind, right?
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> How about we decide on a reference work or two, and use those to decide where something will go? I'd suggest PDR, the Merck Manual, or the like. Maybe use RXLIST.com, since it's easily searchable? That way, while we may not all agree with the reference work in question, we're still all on the same page -- in the same book, no less -- regarding where such chemical compounds should be placed within this site?
Not to jump on a dead horse,but i forgot to mention this,why should there be a modest compromise....In a case where i was shown to be clearly wrong,regardless of my view there would be no compromise by the autrhrioty of the group.I have not seen a valid disagreement point,drugs are spoke about on the medication group,as alternative herbs,nutrients and such on alternative.
All it seems to me is if the mistake,which i agree seems to be mostly in my view only but still i question if the or a mistake is made by the powers that be,than instead of that mistake being corrected,we rather create some compromise?
Lets just put it back on the medication group where it belongs.Im concerend at how fast this was re directed.Sometimes i feel there is a red button on re directs,and yess even blocks,and i feel its pressed quite quickly too.
I dont even understnad why its taking so long for something to be finalized here when the re direct took only moments.
I mean in the case someone in authrioty **could** be wrong,is this how long it takes before anyone simply acnowledges it.
Posted by Racer on July 8, 2006, at 11:22:09
In reply to Re: A Modest Proposal to settle this?, posted by willyee on July 8, 2006, at 10:53:20
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> > How about we decide on a reference work or two, and use those to decide where something will go? I'd suggest PDR, the Merck Manual, or the like. Maybe use RXLIST.com, since it's easily searchable? That way, while we may not all agree with the reference work in question, we're still all on the same page -- in the same book, no less -- regarding where such chemical compounds should be placed within this site?
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> Not to jump on a dead horse,but i forgot to mention this,why should there be a modest compromise....Um, maybe there should be some sort of compromise so that we don't end up with long discussions about whether or not something is a drug, without any way to draw a line we can agree upon?
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> I have not seen a valid disagreement point,drugs are spoke about on the medication group,as alternative herbs,nutrients and such on alternative.Willyee, you may not find my point "valid," but the fact that NONE of the reference works that I checked contained this compound kinda makes me think it's not appropriate for the meds board. Your argument, that it's a synthesized compound, doesn't seem quite as reliable to me, since a lot of "alternative" options are synthesized.
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> All it seems to me is if the mistake,which i agree seems to be mostly in my view only but still i question if the or a mistake is made by the powers that be,than instead of that mistake being corrected,we rather create some compromise?It's hard for me to understand your point here. Are you saying that since you believe someone made a mistake, there should be no compromise, but what you see as a mistake should be "corrected?" I don't understand what you've written here. That's the best I can do for trying to figure out what you meant. Is that an accurate rephrasing, Willyee?
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> Lets just put it back on the medication group where it belongs."Where it belongs" according to WHOM? That's what I think you're not seeing. My suggestion was that we choose a reference to determine what we will recognize as a drug. Some way that we can all agree to make that determination.
> I mean in the case someone in authrioty **could** be wrong,is this how long it takes before anyone simply acnowledges it.
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Wrong according to whom, Willyee? Dr Bob has been here and commented. I think that's acknowledgement. That he does not agree with you that a mistake was made does not mean he didn't acknowledge a mistake -- it could very well mean he does not believe a mistake was made.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 8, 2006, at 12:43:09
In reply to Re: Curious, posted by Glydin on July 6, 2006, at 20:15:28
Thanks for saying this. :)
gg
Posted by Sobriquet Style on July 8, 2006, at 18:11:45
In reply to A Modest Proposal to settle this?, posted by Racer on July 7, 2006, at 13:17:29
>OK, so there are a lot of different views on what is or is not Alternative.
Thats very true.
>How about we decide on a reference work or two
Reference work based in Western medicine internationally? Or just US based? Eg not including Canada, France, New Zealand, UK, US, etc
>I'd suggest PDR, the Merck Manual
Its in the Merck Manual..
http://www.merck.com/mmhe/drugnames-index/trade/n.html
>we're still all on the same page -- in the same book, no less
If a medication is listed in a reference book, and its listed its a drug and presctribed in Western countries, to conclude, does it belong on the medications board?
For example I believe St Johns wort is prescribed in Germany and Ireland, but in the Majority of countries is classed a harbal supplement. That makes sense to me for alternative.
I believe Piracetam is prescribed in the majorty of western countries as a drug, but perhaps not in a minority. To me, thats makes sense for the medications board.
Either way, Alternative, Medications, is fine by me.
Perhaps I'll just read Alternative more for what I consider to be drugs that up until now I found in the medications board, perhaps I'll forget all about this lol
Seriously, i'm afraid i'm going to bail out now as I feel the original subject will possibly boil down to ascendancy, rather than where Piracetam is best placed on the board. Perhaps i'm wrong, if so I apologize and will suggest to http://nccam.nih.gov/health/bytreatment.htm#p that according to the Education Source, Babble Alternative, they forgot to mention Piracetam in their list!
:-)
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Posted by Sobriquet Style on July 8, 2006, at 18:14:22
In reply to Re: A Modest Proposal to settle this?, posted by Sobriquet Style on July 8, 2006, at 18:11:45
Posted by gardenergirl on July 9, 2006, at 15:36:04
In reply to Re: A Modest Proposal to settle this?, posted by willyee on July 8, 2006, at 10:53:20
> I dont even understnad why its taking so long for something to be finalized here when the re direct took only moments.
> Lets just put it back on the medication group where it belongs.If I understand this post,
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060622/msgs/664839.html
Dr. Bob seems to think that for now at least, it belongs on the alternative board. Whether we like his decisions or not, he gets the final say.
> I mean in the case someone in authrioty **could** be wrong,is this how long it takes before anyone simply acnowledges it.Dr. Bob replied one day later. I'm not sure what time frame you expect, but that's actually pretty good for him lately. And in my reply to you the same day, I said, "The status of this substance is open to interpretation. Dr. Bob might interpret it differently and move the thread back to the meds board if he chooses."
I'm sorry that in that reply to you, I did not express validation for your concern. I know it's a concern for you, even if we do not agree on the specific issue.
> Im concerend at how fast this was re directed. Sometimes i feel there is a red button on re directs,and yess even blocks,and i feel its pressed quite quickly too.
Well, actually 11 posts were made on that thread before it was redirected the day after the original post was made. I prefer to redirect earlier in a thread when possible in order to avoid any undue disruption.
Take care,
gg
Posted by Sobriquet Style on July 12, 2006, at 15:13:14
In reply to Re: Alternative, posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2006, at 11:05:06
>I haven't been considering it presently part of conventional medicine. So all the recent discussion has been on Alternative. But that may be because its use is
UCB Pharma and http://nccam.nih.gov/health/whatiscam which you use as a heading for what the alternative board is about, disagree with your opinon and consider it conventional medicine. (I know because I wrote to them both)
> > rare in the United States
So is adrafinil, but its still all over the meds board...and funnily enough, adrafinil is very similar, pharmacologically to modafinil (provigil), abit like piracetam is to levetiracetam (Keppra)
>Just because something isn't conventional doesn't mean it can't be helpful...
Who said it isn't conventional? :-) NCCAM didn't, the makers of the drug didn't or the Medical Information & Pharmacovigilance Manager at UCB -
and one of them is the heading on your the alternative board...~
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 12, 2006, at 18:25:13
In reply to Re: Alternative, posted by Sobriquet Style on July 7, 2006, at 12:43:15
> > Is piracetam found in nature?
>
> [It was] synthesized by UCB Pharma, a drugs company.Hmm, IMO, that's pretty compelling. If we now decide to consider it non-alternative, new posts on Alternative would be redirected to the main board, but old posts there would just stay there?
Bob
Posted by Sobriquet Style on August 4, 2006, at 8:02:31
In reply to Re: Alternative, posted by Dr. Bob on July 12, 2006, at 18:25:13
>If we now decide to consider it non-alternative, new posts on Alternative would be redirected to the main board, but old posts there would just stay there?
Were you thinking aloud? To answer the question though, yes thats right, or you could move them all to the proper place?
Speaking of which, there is currently 777 links on babble for [xxx], which if you scroll to the bottom of the home page you will see [xxx], which is part of [xxx] and lists 51 online phamracys where you can get controlled drugs such as benzodiazepines and heavily controlled injectable opiates, plus a forum whereby people can discuss even more online pharmacys and ways to get drugs without a presciption including all avenues of payment and delivery. I thought getting drugs online without a prescription was against the rules in the FAQ?
However if we now decide to consider it a non-link on babble (like you have with other sites that link to online pharmacy's, drugs without prescription) [xxx] new links would be xxx out, but the old 777 links would just there?
What an interesting dilemma...
~
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 7, 2006, at 2:12:19
In reply to Re: Alternative » Dr. Bob, posted by Sobriquet Style on August 4, 2006, at 8:02:31
> >If we now decide to consider it non-alternative, new posts on Alternative would be redirected to the main board, but old posts there would just stay there?
>
> Were you thinking aloud? To answer the question though, yes thats rightOK. :-)
> if we now decide to consider it a non-link on babble ... [xxx] new links would be xxx out, but the old 777 links would just there?
Were you thinking aloud? :-) Yes, I guess that would be the easiest way to proceed. Right now, anyway, not every page there links directly to that list like the home page does...
Bob
Posted by Sobriquet Style on August 7, 2006, at 14:45:50
In reply to Re: Alternative, posted by Dr. Bob on August 7, 2006, at 2:12:19
I must admit it would be a shame to miss out on the website completely as it does contain some very interesting studies and a unique multitude of information on drugs and the mind.
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