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Posted by Toph on December 22, 2005, at 8:02:54
In reply to Re: a link that goes somewhere else, posted by Dr. Bob on December 21, 2005, at 21:44:09
Would you prefer that people post such a link with a warning much as people do with *triggers*?
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 22, 2005, at 8:32:22
In reply to Re: a link that goes somewhere else » Dr. Bob, posted by Toph on December 22, 2005, at 8:02:54
> Would you prefer that people post such a link with a warning much as people do with *triggers*?
Hmm, that's an idea, what do others think?
Bob
Posted by gardenergirl on December 22, 2005, at 11:43:24
In reply to Re: a link that goes somewhere else, posted by Dr. Bob on December 22, 2005, at 8:32:22
This issue did make me wonder how blogs here could work. Blogs usually contain material more related to an individual's beliefs, etc. and are not necessarily written with civility rules in mind.
So perhaps there could be a separate area or part of a user profile where one could post the address to their blog, and there could be some sort of statement that the blogs are not part of Babble and thus, may contain material that would not otherwise be okay to post here.
The trigger warning is a good idea, too. But how far could that go? Blogs only? We already use trigger for potentially sensitive content. Seems that might be a hard line to describe.
gg
Posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 13:02:16
In reply to Re: a link that goes somewhere else » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on December 22, 2005, at 11:43:24
tis hard to say...
how about if someone says 'i'm gonna post a link to my blog ***trigger***'
and it is all about how people with mental illness should be exterminated?
yeah... extreme example, but should trigger warnings mean that anything goes?
i dunno.
dunno.why can't people just be civil?
Posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 13:04:49
In reply to Re: a link that goes somewhere else, posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 13:02:16
that being said i've probably posted links to things that are uncivil.
and from the link there is a link and from that link there is a link...
and i'm sure that even if the original link was civil there is bound to be incivility lurking...
i think...
that if babblemails are supposed to be civil (in the sense that people could lose their babblemail priveledges for uncivil babblemails) then if blogging becomes a feature of this site then blogs should have to be civil too.
at least...
that would be my preference...
Posted by zeugma on December 22, 2005, at 20:06:04
In reply to Re: a link that goes somewhere else, posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 13:04:49
> that being said i've probably posted links to things that are uncivil.
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> and from the link there is a link and from that link there is a link...
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> and i'm sure that even if the original link was civil there is bound to be incivility lurking...well, i think that if someone is determined to follow link after link in search of incivility, then one deserves what one gets... i mean, hope he or she had a good time hunting down an incivility, but don't blame the poster of the original link. OTOH, an obviously uncivil link doesn't require as diligent a hunt, and the poster of the link is responsible for its content- those looking for links n times removed to more outrageous material are doing it on their own time, to please themselves.
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> i think...
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> that if babblemails are supposed to be civil (in the sense that people could lose their babblemail priveledges for uncivil babblemails) then if blogging becomes a feature of this site then blogs should have to be civil too.
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> at least...
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> that would be my preference...then i think that blogging shouldn't be a part of this site (but links should). because it may be challenging, and nerve-wracking at times, to remain civil at this site, but it's not a blog where one presumably expresses oneself in accordance with one's own standards. my words are warped to some extent by the need to conform to civility standards (not using 'warped' pejoratively, but literally, in the sense that my words are subjected to dr.bob's rules [and naturally enough, since this this is his site]). this would not occur on a blog, for better or worse. and if i were uncivil, would i be banned from my own blog? sounds absurd.
Posted by syntheticsoul on December 22, 2005, at 20:22:09
In reply to Re: Please be sensitive » gardenergirl, posted by syntheticsoul on December 21, 2005, at 18:19:15
I think it might be advisable to simply ask users to not post links to other sites, period. The reality is that there is precious little that doesn't cause people to be offended anymore. Something as simple as the word "Christmas" has caused lawsuits and hurt feelings, and if the goal is not offend anyone, it’s probably better to draw a firm line. My personal opinions aside, this is what I would do.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 20:23:46
In reply to a blog of one's own » alexandra_k, posted by zeugma on December 22, 2005, at 20:06:04
> well, i think that if someone is determined to follow link after link in search of incivility, then one deserves what one gets... i mean, hope he or she had a good time hunting down an incivility, but don't blame the poster of the original link. OTOH, an obviously uncivil link doesn't require as diligent a hunt, and the poster of the link is responsible for its content- those looking for links n times removed to more outrageous material are doing it on their own time, to please themselves.
yes. i think that is a good point.
not necessarily that they are purposely looking for incivility...
but that we are only responsible for the link we give (and not the 'higher order' links...)
(did that make sense??)> then i think that blogging shouldn't be a part of this site (but links should).
hmm. though... currently people post a link to their blog...
> because it may be challenging, and nerve-wracking at times, to remain civil at this site,
yes. but... i guess i think... that it is worth the effort. i don't like to think that i hurt or offended someone with what i said :-(
but it is hard...
> but it's not a blog where one presumably expresses oneself in accordance with one's own standards.
I've never blogged. so i dunno.
> and if i were uncivil, would i be banned from my own blog? sounds absurd.
well... maybe you would be blocked from the babble site (where the blog is a feature of the site like babblemail)
but now i'm wondering...
what is the difference between a blog and a thread?
Posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 20:29:09
In reply to Re: Please be sensitive, posted by syntheticsoul on December 22, 2005, at 20:22:09
> I think it might be advisable to simply ask users to not post links to other sites, period.
what about amazon books?
or an encyclopedia to look something up?
what if i find a cool little something on trade me?
how about links to articles relevant to therapy / medication?i think that posting links to sites is a good thing...
generally speaking...
its one of the terrific things baout the net.
if i make a controversial claim...
i can reference online sources (if i can find them...)> The reality is that there is precious little that doesn't cause people to be offended anymore.
yeah. hard judgement call to make... there is some stuff on that in the FAQ. I recently read through the FAQ again and I was suprised at how much had escaped my attention on earlier readings... It can be hard to figure. But somethings... Are more likely to produce hurt / offence than others.
I'm not sure it is possible to draw a hard line around civiltiy (or to develop an algorithm for making determinations) I'm not sure...
> Something as simple as the word "Christmas" has caused lawsuits and hurt feelings, and if the goal is not offend anyone, it’s probably better to draw a firm line. My personal opinions aside, this is what I would do.
? How do you mean a 'firm' line?
I think 'christmas' is probably okay...
saying people are (something derogatory) for celebrating / not celebrating on the other hand...
Posted by zeugma on December 22, 2005, at 21:07:48
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 20:23:46
i've never blogged, so i can't answer your question.
as to the blogs i've read... i'll say nothing, save that i won't link to any of the ones i've read, on civility grounds.
-z
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 22, 2005, at 21:46:28
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 20:23:46
> what is the difference between a blog and a thread?
Good question. Blogs have pictures? :-)
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 22:15:02
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by Dr. Bob on December 22, 2005, at 21:46:28
> Blogs have pictures?
Yes. And rather vivid they were too (though there were trigger warnings admittedly).
(Please don't think I'm picking on your blog - I do have sympathy for the incivility... But if change is what one is after... I think one is more likely to win converts by being civil. And if one is simply expressing oneself... Aren't there civil ways of doing so???)
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 22, 2005, at 22:17:20
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by Dr. Bob on December 22, 2005, at 21:46:28
Well I haven't really thought this through, and probably won't. But how much can go under the protective Bob Bubble.
Really, I mean I could write a blog that would suit the *P.B.* definition of what is civil, (which still hasn't actually been defined) and which I don't believe is altogether civil.
It wouldn't be me. It would be the babble version of what I should be. Why would I do that, when I may as well post.
Yeah, I do understand guidelines for the board.
But for links? IF someone puts something that would be considered by most to be grossly disturbing, and purposely provocative that I can understand to a point.
But I'm not about to risk being blocked for not stating my political views in the correct form, or god forbid, forget to stick an asterisk in my *SS
Of course I'm not about to write a blog anyway..Simply put
It gives me the creeps.
It reminds of my Neighbour when I was in grade four who used to tear the underwear adds out of the Sears Catalogue before she'd let her 7 year old son look at it.
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 22, 2005, at 22:18:47
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own » Dr. Bob, posted by Gabbix2 on December 22, 2005, at 22:17:20
Posted by gardenergirl on December 22, 2005, at 22:34:12
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own » Dr. Bob, posted by Gabbix2 on December 22, 2005, at 22:17:20
> or god forbid, forget to stick an asterisk in my *SS
OMG, I just spit on my screen! Too funny.
gg
Posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 23:34:38
In reply to Snort! » Gabbix2, posted by gardenergirl on December 22, 2005, at 22:34:12
> OMG, I just spit on my screen! Too funny.
sounds like your screen gets a pretty hard time ;-)
Posted by Deneb on December 23, 2005, at 0:21:39
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 22:15:02
> > Blogs have pictures?
>
> Yes. And rather vivid they were too (though there were trigger warnings admittedly).Me and my curiosity....
I saw some very disturbing pictures. :-(
That's what I get for ignoring the warning!
Deneb
Posted by alexandra_k on December 23, 2005, at 0:59:00
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by Deneb on December 23, 2005, at 0:21:39
> That's what I get for ignoring the warning!
Yeah. Thats the way I saw it too. I mean... What did I expect?
I think there is a saying about curiosity ;-)
Posted by alexandra_k on December 23, 2005, at 1:33:05
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by Dr. Bob on December 22, 2005, at 21:46:28
people can link to pictures already. well... deneb can. i tried to put some pictures up on my 'minimalist' webpage but couldn't seem to figure it out, so i'll admit i gave up.
i suppose i would have a go with yahoo if i was really very determined...
Posted by Declan on December 23, 2005, at 3:31:56
In reply to Re: a link that goes somewhere else, posted by Dr. Bob on December 21, 2005, at 21:44:09
What if you came from Fallujah?
Declan
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 23, 2005, at 16:45:02
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by Dr. Bob on December 22, 2005, at 21:46:28
> > what is the difference between a blog and a thread?
>
> Good question. Blogs have pictures? :-)Sorry, what I meant was, I think a blog is like a board where only one person starts threads, but others can reply...
Bob
Posted by gardenergirl on December 23, 2005, at 17:28:47
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by Dr. Bob on December 23, 2005, at 16:45:02
> >
> > Good question. Blogs have pictures? :-)
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> Sorry, what I meant was, I think a blog is like a board where only one person starts threads, but others can reply...What????
How do you go from statement one (about pictures) to this? Is this six degrees of Dr. Bob?
I guess I shouldn't tease, because actually my brain works a lot that way. Lots of hidden associations so that I give others what Racer calls "conversational whiplash".
:)
gg
Posted by alexandra_k on December 23, 2005, at 17:52:28
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own, posted by Dr. Bob on December 23, 2005, at 16:45:02
> I think a blog is like a board where only one person starts threads, but others can reply...
Yeah. Seems that way.
Some sites have a feature where people can volounteer information like their real name, their hobbies, their email address, their location, a link to their blog etc. While people can post that information to the boards here it will be archived at some point so the information is hard to access.
I don't think... I would make use of either feature...
I'd prefer to see a proper spell checker, being able to draw little box plot type texty pictures (like you can do in word), and... oh... small boards only viewable to members ;-)
Posted by alexandra_k on December 23, 2005, at 17:53:24
In reply to ???? I missed a step somewhere » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on December 23, 2005, at 17:28:47
:-)
I think a
?
Allows you to backtrack ;-)
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 24, 2005, at 12:57:35
In reply to Re: a blog of one's own » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on December 23, 2005, at 17:52:28
> > > what is the difference between a blog and a thread?
> > >
> > > Good question. Blogs have pictures? :-)
> >
> > Sorry, what I meant was, I think a blog is like a board where only one person starts threads, but others can reply...
>
> What????
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> How do you go from statement one (about pictures) to this? Is this six degrees of Dr. Bob?
>
> ggSorry, I shouldn't have quoted that sentence, too. What I meant wasn't that blogs were like threads, but that blogs were like boards...
> Some sites have a feature where people can volounteer information like their real name, their hobbies, their email address, their location, a link to their blog etc.
>
> alexandra_kRight, a profile. That's come up before, for example:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030508/msgs/248909.html
Bob
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