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Posted by Jakeman on November 15, 2005, at 23:18:42
Dr. Bob, Pls dont PBC this post, but would't many people in the conservative Muslim world be offended here?
I'm just curious.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 16, 2005, at 15:06:57
In reply to what do you PBC?, posted by Jakeman on November 15, 2005, at 23:18:42
i don't think we have anybody here from the 'conservative muslim world'. it must be really hard to try and moderate a politics board... i think that pbc's / blocks tend to come out when *posters* are likely to be offended / hurt. i guess it is kinda hard to figure what people may find offensive...
if someone posted something to the effect of being muslim... then i imagine those kind of comments would more likely get a pbc.
with respect to the torture thing...
i guess...
the point that congress (or whoever) is divided about it... shows that there *is* division about it in the us. and given the number of us posters here... it would be fairly likely that at least one poster here might support being allowed to torture suspected terrorists.
and so saying that people who support it should be treated with contempt (or whatever) would have them thinking that the poster is saying that *they* should be treated with contempt.
if you don't like the joke on politics...
then you could post something (civil) about not finding the joke funny and thinking it is a little inappropriate. people are usually pretty good when someone does that respectfully. they tend to take the point.if they do not and they continue...
that might be pbcable.
but i could be way off...
Posted by Jakeman on November 16, 2005, at 23:20:38
In reply to Re: just a guess..., posted by alexandra_k on November 16, 2005, at 15:06:57
>
> and so saying that people who support it should be treated with contemptbtw, I never said that.
> if you don't like the joke on politics...
> then you could post something (civil) about not finding the joke funny and thinking it is a little inappropriate. people are usually pretty good when someone does that respectfully. they tend to take the point.All I know are r*dneck jokes (you might be a r*dneck if..). I'm a little afraid to post one of those. Even though I am a r*dneck.
>> but i could be way off...
me too.
warm regards ~Jake
Posted by alexandra_k on November 16, 2005, at 23:36:36
In reply to Re: just a guess... » alexandra_k, posted by Jakeman on November 16, 2005, at 23:20:38
> > and so saying that people who support it should be treated with contempt
> btw, I never said that.I didn't mean to suggest that you did. Sorry... I just realised this maybe relates to your last block...
> All I know are r*dneck jokes (you might be a r*dneck if..). I'm a little afraid to post one of those. Even though I am a r*dneck.Hmm. r*dneck got given the asterisk so i checked mirriam webster...
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/r*dnecklol i wonder if the link will work with automated asterisking ;-)
people might feel offended if you call them a r*dneck...
i wonder what 'commonly attributed beliefs' they might be thinking of...
i dunno.
Posted by Jakeman on November 16, 2005, at 23:37:24
In reply to Re: just a guess..., posted by alexandra_k on November 16, 2005, at 15:06:57
> i don't think we have anybody here from the 'conservative muslim world'.
How do you know that I'm not Muslim?
Or for that matter, a r*dneck conservative Muslim? :-)
Posted by alexandra_k on November 16, 2005, at 23:44:23
In reply to Re: just a guess... » alexandra_k, posted by Jakeman on November 16, 2005, at 23:37:24
> How do you know that I'm not Muslim?
I don't.But if you feel offended by something that someone has posted... Then I'd just post something politely to that effect. Gives people a chance to think about what they have said... If we don't say anything... Then I suppose it is up to Dr Bob to think about whether anyone from the boards is *likely* to feel offended in response.
I imagine that would be a pretty hard thing to do...
I don't imagine I'd be terribly good at it...> Or for that matter, a r*dneck conservative Muslim? :-)
Hmm.
I suppose it is possible...
I think the issue of blonde jokes has come up before...
Some people find them funny
Some blondes even
But other people do not
And some of those other people aren't blonde evenI guess the trouble with 'humour' is that some people aren't going to be laughing and are likely to be offended by the stereotypes that are made fun of... i don't think anybody likes to feel laughed *at*.
Posted by Jakeman on November 18, 2005, at 20:09:57
In reply to Re: just a guess..., posted by alexandra_k on November 16, 2005, at 23:44:23
> > How do you know that I'm not Muslim?
>
> I don't.
>
> But if you feel offended by something that someone has posted... Then I'd just post something politely to that effect. Gives people a chance to think about what they have said... If we don't say anything... Then I suppose it is up to Dr Bob to think about whether anyone from the boards is *likely* to feel offended in response.
>
> I imagine that would be a pretty hard thing to do...
> I don't imagine I'd be terribly good at it...
>
> > Or for that matter, a r*dneck conservative Muslim? :-)
>
> Hmm.
>
> I suppose it is possible...
>
> I think the issue of blonde jokes has come up before...
> Some people find them funny
> Some blondes even
> But other people do not
> And some of those other people aren't blonde even
>
> I guess the trouble with 'humour' is that some people aren't going to be laughing and are likely to be offended by the stereotypes that are made fun of... i don't think anybody likes to feel laughed *at*.
>I agree. It's just that when the joke involves people's deaths that it gets to me. I probably need to find better way to express my reaction.
warm regards, Jake
Posted by Jakeman on November 18, 2005, at 20:30:15
In reply to Re: just a guess..., posted by Jakeman on November 18, 2005, at 20:09:57
It's been reported that Rumi (a muslim) is the most popular poet in America right now. Largely due to translations by Coleman Barks, someone from the hills of East Tennessee (where I'm from). He considers himself a Sufi, (a branch of Islam). Coleman might even call himself a r*dneck..he has a great sense of humor, which we all need in these times.
Oh yeah, I recommend "The Essential Rumi" . There you go Bob, I remembered to do the double quotes.
warm regards, Jake
Posted by alexandra_k on November 18, 2005, at 20:54:16
In reply to Re: just a guess..., posted by Jakeman on November 18, 2005, at 20:09:57
> I agree.
:-)
>It's just that when the joke involves people's deaths that it gets to me. I probably need to find better way to express my reaction.
I take your point. I think that just pointing it out politely like that on the thread might be the way to go.
Posted by Declan on November 19, 2005, at 13:29:18
In reply to To follow up a bit,,,, » Jakeman, posted by Jakeman on November 18, 2005, at 20:30:15
The Coleman Barks version is pretty good, isn't it?
Alienatari converted to Islam, I think he said.
I suppose the PBCs are designed to prevent people from feeling accused and put down. It seems to be a therapeutic category that is not up to dealing with the complexities of our situation. Whether PBCs succeed or not is another thing. And then there's our sense of humour, or the lack of it.
Declan
Posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2005, at 15:06:00
In reply to Re: To follow up a bit,,,,, posted by Declan on November 19, 2005, at 13:29:18
> I suppose the PBCs are designed to prevent people from feeling accused and put down.
Well... Maybe more to prevent people putting down and accusing others... Though I guess figuring that out involves computing peoples 'likely responses'.
> It seems to be a therapeutic category that is not up to dealing with the complexities of our situation.
?
> Whether PBCs succeed or not is another thing.
I would say that is up to the individual.
> And then there's our sense of humour, or the lack of it.
?
You can't think of any jokes that don't involve laughing *at* a person or group of people?
Posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2005, at 15:18:21
In reply to Re: To follow up a bit,,,,, posted by Declan on November 19, 2005, at 13:29:18
Oh...
WELCOME BACK!!!!!!!
I missed you :-)
I have been getting busy on the politics board...
(and other boards too)I have been reading about the war...
About trade sanctions...
About how many children died in Iraq as 'collateral damage' from trade sanctions (couldn't get drinkable water)...
(and it is unlawful to impose trade sanctions to punish the public to try and get saddam to stoppit)
About how many less people died in the trade centre / pentagon bombings
as 'collateral damage' from protesting about trade sanctions that resulted in the deaths of so very many Iraq children...
About how WMD and 'imminant threat' was the lawful justification for the war...
About how Blair and Bush knew there was no 'imminant threat' which seems to leave the war as...
An unlawful act of agression.
About how the oil money etc is being held by the reserve bank in the US for 'safe keeping'
About how 8 million or billion or whatever has 'gone missing'
About the contracts that have been awarded to the very large companies (with white house connections)
About how the laws have been changing in Iraq...
Iraq people have had the right to keep seeds to plant in the next year for 10,000 years now...
Now they aren't allowed to do that anymore. They have to purchase new seeds off the big companies in the US...
Surely we aren't still kidding ourselves...
Its an economic take-over
No way around that...
The US is still in Iraq because they still have work to do in making the country dependent economically on the US.
The big businesses in the US will be making a killing
The profits of the oil and the food and of most things produced in Iraq will go to them...
And what does the average Iraq citizen have to gain?????
Yeah, they wanted Saddam out - because of his terrorising etc...
But only to be replaced with the US military????
Jeepers... Must be hard to know which is worse from the POV of a citizen in Iraq...People 'going missing' to be detained and tortured...
A TV show being screened in Iraq (funded by fox) where prisoners with black eyes and so on 'confess their sins' to the camera.Unbelievable...
Unbelievable...
Posted by Nickengland on November 19, 2005, at 17:45:32
In reply to Re: To follow up a bit,,,,, posted by Declan on November 19, 2005, at 13:29:18
Hi Declan..
>And then there's our sense of humour, or the lack of it.
I've never known if I should use my sense of humour on here - with certain jokes etc as I thought they'd definitely get me blocked lol...hopefully these should be okay though..
You need speakers for this ~ helps to have them turned up loud to hear what the man is saying on T.V
http://www.biteycastle.com/taken.htm
I think this ones safe ~ Its a Swedish news report, I think whats said is civil...
http://www.appelsiini.net/~tuupola/misc/svt.rude.se.swf
Kind regards
Nick
Posted by Jakeman on November 19, 2005, at 23:38:08
In reply to Re: To follow up a bit,,,,, posted by Declan on November 19, 2005, at 13:29:18
> The Coleman Barks version is pretty good, isn't it?
It's one of those books I go back to again and again.
>> I suppose the PBCs are designed to prevent people from feeling accused and put down. It seems to be a therapeutic category that is not up to dealing with the complexities of our situation. Whether PBCs succeed or not is another thing.
I think the civility rules are well intentioned, how well they work I'm not sure. I've observed that some people here like a lot of moderation and rules, others find that environment to be stifling.
~Jake
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 20, 2005, at 10:13:53
In reply to Re: To follow up a bit,,,,, posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2005, at 15:18:21
> I have been getting busy on the politics board...
Which is where I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding the war. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/poli/20050924/msgs/580591.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on November 20, 2005, at 16:57:55
In reply to Redirect: getting busy on the politics board, posted by Dr. Bob on November 20, 2005, at 10:13:53
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