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Posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 17:59:23
In reply to Not be sorry!!! » rainbowbrite, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 17:40:40
good Im glad, I havnet slept more than 6 hours in 3 nights so I dont trust what I say or think anymore :-)
I was worried I upset you.
It didnt look like there were any horns, hmm but I cant be sure lol JUST KIDDING Dr Bob!!!!
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 17:59:54
In reply to Re: Not be sorry!!! » muffled, posted by ClearSkies on November 2, 2005, at 17:57:24
Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:03:04
In reply to Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 11:55:04
> That writer guy is creeping me out. Why do you associate yourself w/him? Can you please tell me. Its bothering me alot.
I might be wrong but I think...
He just liked the quote so was providing a link to where the original quote appeared in context:> Agreed that I am a decadent, I am also the very reverse. Among other things there is this proof: I always instinctively select the proper remedy in preference to harmful ones; whereas the decadent, as such, invariably chooses those remedies which are bad for him. As a whole I was healthy, but in certain details I was a decadent. The energy with which I forced myself to absolute solitude, and to an alienation from my customary habits of life; the self-discipline that forbade me to be pampered, waited on, and doctored-all this betrays the absolute certainty of my instincts in regard to what at that time was most needful to me. I placed myself in my own hands, I restored myself to health: to do this, the first condition of success, as every physiologist will admit, is that the man be basically sound. A typically morbid nature cannot become healthy at all, much less by his own efforts. On the other hand, to an intrinsically sound nature, illness may even act as a powerful stimulus to life, to an abundance of life. It is thus that I now regard my long period of illness: it seemed then as if I had discovered life afresh, my own self included. I tasted all/ good and even trifling things in a way in which others could not very well taste them-out of my Will to Health and to Life I made my philosophy. . . . For I wish this to be understood; it was during those, years of most lowered vitality that I ceased from being a pessimist: the instinct of self-recovery bade a philosophy of poverty and desperation. Now, how are we to recognize Nature's most excellent human products? They are recognized by the fact that an excellent man of this sort gladdens our senses; he is carved from a single block, which is hard, sweet, and fragrant. He enjoys only what is good for him; his pleasure, his desire, ceases when the limits of what is good for him are overstepped. He divines remedies against injuries; he knows how to turn serious accidents to his own advantage; whatever does not kill him makes him stronger. He instinctively gathers his material from all he sees, hears, and experiences. He is a selective principle; he rejects much. He is always in his own company, whether his intercourse be with books, men or natural scenery; he honors the things he chooses, the things he acknowledges, the thing7s he trusts. He reacts slowly to all kinds of stimuli, with that tardiness which long caution and deliberate pride have bred in him-he tests the approaching stimulus - would not think of going toward it. He believes in neither "ill-fortune" nor "guilt"; he can digest himself and others; he knows how to forget-he is strong enough to make everything turn to his own advantage.
Isn't that something to aspire to?
And isn't it just a little bit true in the sense that we are still here?Nietzche said 'truth is a whore' at one point... He could be fairly sexist. But then... The bible can be seen as fairly sexist too. And yeah, he was fairly hostile to christianity. But then Jesus was fairly hostile to Judaism and so it goes on...
William Blake was a poet who wrote about 'the marriage of heaven and hell' and various other things that could have him interpreted as being a handmaiden for satan at times... I think one needs to appreciate something of the context...
I don't know very much about him...
I don't study that style of philosophy.
More poetry than philosophy.
More self-expression than making claims that are supposed to be objectively / intersubjectively assessed for truth.
More self expression than furthering knowledge...
Or something.
I dunno.But he is an interesting figure.
He deteriorated rather in his later years and ended up killing himself.Lest we forget...
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 18:21:09
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:03:04
> I might be wrong but I think...
> He just liked the quote so was providing a link to where the original quote appeared in context:
>
But that quote is from an author that if I get what he says, is VERY hurtful to me and proly others. Everybody says good and bad stuff. But this guys stuff seems SO nasty.> Isn't that something to aspire to?
> And isn't it just a little bit true in the sense that we are still here?The old 'grain of truth' thing
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> Nietzche said 'truth is a whore' at one point... He could be fairly sexist. But then... The bible can be seen as fairly sexist too. And yeah, he was fairly hostile to christianity. But then Jesus was fairly hostile to Judaism and so it goes on...
>
> William Blake was a poet who wrote about 'the marriage of heaven and hell' and various other things that could have him interpreted as being a handmaiden for satan at times... I think one needs to appreciate something of the context...
>
> I don't know very much about him...
> I don't study that style of philosophy.
> More poetry than philosophy.
> More self-expression than making claims that are supposed to be objectively / intersubjectively assessed for truth.
> More self expression than furthering knowledge...
> Or something.
> I dunno.
>
> But he is an interesting figure.
> He deteriorated rather in his later years and ended up killing himself.
>
> Lest we forget...
>
Yeah Alex. Love ya! And he ended up killing himself. Proly an embittered old man.
So much for improvement. I guess we can feel better about ourselves in that we don't judge cruelly. I was hoping you would post and maybe have some clarity. Its crazy stuff to try and read. So there's hope for us. We not cruel.
I still wonder that Dr.Bob would quote a nasty person, who offed hisself, on a mental health type webplace?
Does he even know?
Thanks Alex. Hope you are doing ok.
Muffled
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Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:46:29
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 18:21:09
> > I might be wrong but I think...
> > He just liked the quote so was providing a link to where the original quote appeared in context:> But that quote is from an author that if I get what he says, is VERY hurtful to me and proly others.
???
Thinking of the quote in context... How was what he said hurtful? I thought it was inspiring...> Everybody says good and bad stuff. But this guys stuff seems SO nasty.
Some of it or all of it?
Stuff around that quote or stuff when you look further afield?
I don't understand how what he wrote is 'SO nasty'.> The old 'grain of truth' thing
Yup.
> And he ended up killing himself. Proly an embittered old man.Sick. Either syphilus or brain cancer is the best guess... I'm not sure he was embittered. Actually... In the link he talks a fair bit about resentment...
> So much for improvement.
? He found hope in a place of despair.
The will to live.
But I suppose it is something of an ongoing battle, yup.> I guess we can feel better about ourselves in that we don't judge cruelly.
Yes. And we can be more aware of when we do...
> I was hoping you would post and maybe have some clarity.
I don't know that I add clarity. I've never studied him. I read some of something he wrote. 'Truth is a whore' etc but it isn't really my area of philosophy.
> Its crazy stuff to try and read. So there's hope for us. We not cruel.
I think everybody has cruel thoughts at times. But... Its about what we do with those...
> I still wonder that Dr.Bob would quote a nasty person, who offed hisself, on a mental health type webplace?
I don't think he was a 'nasty person'.
I thought the quote in context was actually fairly hopeful / optimistic / inspiring...
It can be hard to read older things in context and try and take some message that is appropriate / relevant to current times...
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 18:56:39
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh? » muffled, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:46:29
I started to read some of THAT guys! other stuff, cuz i thot if Dr. Bob saw fit to quote him, that maybe he had some good stuff to say. But then I was assaulted by the words about christians being horrible, the worst form of being possible. I was so shocked and sickened. I am a Christian, and I don't care what other religions others want to be. I don't attack others. THAT guy was seem to be SO nasty to Christians. Read the article he wrote antichrist. Mebbe I didn't read ernough, but it freaked me out and I could read no more. it makes me scared and sick. Thats all.
Glad to hear from you.
Muffled.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 19:09:35
In reply to Nasty,nasty,nasty!!! » alexandra_k, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 18:56:39
> I was assaulted by the words about christians being horrible, the worst form of being possible.
lol. I think he rants at the level of the 'system' rather than the particular individuals. He rants at the level of church teachings rather than at the level of what particuar people believe.
Yup. He's controversial...
Well... You don't have to be afraid because he is long dead.
He was writing at a time when the church had immense power and abused that power immensely. If you see it that way... That the church (as a system of indoctrination) are dominant and he is in the minority for speaking out then I think that makes a little more sense of his 'hostile' approach.
That was long before the current days of political correctness...
But what he had to say about how life seems sometimes...
I think angst is relevant to today
Even when our current political and social climate is a bit different...
Posted by Declan on November 2, 2005, at 20:38:34
In reply to Re: Nasty,nasty,nasty!!! » muffled, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 19:09:35
Nietzche, Christianity, the Death of God, C19 civilization, the Admin Board......you guys must have strong nerves. I think some of Ecce Homo is very funny, which might mean I shouldn't be here.
Declan
Posted by Declan on November 3, 2005, at 0:47:57
In reply to Re: Nasty,nasty,nasty!!!, posted by Declan on November 2, 2005, at 20:38:34
This reminds me that the other day waiting for blood to be taken I was dipping into Isaiah (sp?) and it's not especially civil about those on the ends of all those curses, which is OK with me...you know, all the 'Woe to Ninevah' type thing. I imagine him cursing the citizens of my town and cheer up. Basis of western civilization and whatnot.
Declan
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 3, 2005, at 7:41:40
In reply to ?????????????????????, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 16:29:23
> the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick brute-man--the Christian. . .
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Even if you're quoting someone else.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by AuntieMel on November 3, 2005, at 8:26:38
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:03:04
"But then Jesus was fairly hostile to Judaism and so it goes on..."
Jesus wasn't hostile to Judaism. In fact, he was a very observant Jew. Early in the history of Christianity those who wanted to join had to also convert to Judaism, circumcision and all.
Posted by Dinah on November 3, 2005, at 8:50:53
In reply to Re: a correction » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on November 3, 2005, at 8:26:38
Thanks Mel, for clarifying that. I don't know how I missed that statement.
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 9:29:18
In reply to Re: please be civil » muffled, posted by Dr. Bob on November 3, 2005, at 7:41:40
> > the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick brute-man--the Christian. . .
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Even if you're quoting someone else.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BobI don't understand. Why don't you answer? You pbc me? You want me to go away? If you want me to I will. Please just tell so I know. It feels like you do. :(
I just don't understand.
Why?
Muffled.
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 11:27:55
In reply to Re: please be civil » muffled, posted by Dr. Bob on November 3, 2005, at 7:41:40
Can I explain? Maybe you don't understand? The quote came from the guy, the writer. I only posted it because noone seemed to take me seriously or understand what I was getting at. I didn't post it until later cuz it is awful. I had no idea I would get a pbc. I make jokes alot of times cuz thats what I do when I am nervous or uncomfortable. But I am very serious about this. I e-mailed you too before. Did you get it? I know this is your place and not mine. I am sorry. I just am concerned is all. I been saying stuff I say nowhere else. I am exposed, its scarey. So I a little, or alot nervous about this place. That is why. I wish I could somehow make you understand. If you just don't like me or think I will be unable to be here without trouble please TELL me so I can go away. I don't know what to do. I hope this is civil. I'm very sorry. I'm confused.
Sincerely Muffled
Posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2005, at 11:43:49
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 11:27:55
Hi muffled. Did your quote that was PBC'd come directly from the link on Dr. Bob's home page or from another source?
gg
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 11:53:26
In reply to Question for muffled » muffled, posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2005, at 11:43:49
The link on the homepage sent me to an article written by this guy. Then I clicked on (index) or something like that and that went to an index that included more articles by same guy, so I looked at another article written by him cuz the writing was kinda weird and I was curious. Thats it. I think its all a part of the same site. I have stayed away cuz its bothered me. Thanks. I'm sorry if I cause trouble.
Muffled.
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:02:13
In reply to Re: Question for muffled, posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 11:53:26
I am doing laundry and cleaning. It is VERY windy here right now. I will walk in the wind. I have refresh limits on cuz I been worried about this place. I have 24 in 24 hours. If I dissappear thats why. This place is very much like IRL isn't it? It can hurt you. I guess its more real than I realized. I'm am sorry if I have ever hurt anyone. I TRULY don't mean to. I feel too much pain so I know what its like. So sorry.
Muffled.
Posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2005, at 12:07:33
In reply to Re: Question for muffled, posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 11:53:26
Thanks for letting me know. I was just curious. Sorry you had that upset.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2005, at 12:08:14
In reply to I am doing good things, posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:02:13
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:32:34
In reply to I am doing good things, posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:02:13
I'm supposed to clarify, not assume. Not be so black and white about stuff. I am not trying to beleager you. You must feel that way at times. I am just trying to get a sense of the person that rules in this house where I am. No matter how much you try to keep back, you are there. Heck your pic. is there all the time! I realize you can't answer all and instantly. But you seemed to have time to pbc me. I feel like less than nothing alot. You are only reinforcing that by ignoring me. I don't mean to put you down. I don't know what is happening in your life right now that may affect your ways right now. I am just letting you know how I feel so that I know that you know...or something like that?! I appreciate that this website must take alot of time. I am sorry if you feel I am putting you down. I don't mean to. I just was asking a question, cuz I was concerned rather alot. I don't know about people or stuff. I don't understand. I like the people here So much, but the master of the house, I don't understand?
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:36:32
In reply to Dr.Bob, posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:32:34
would shut the hell up. Stupid sh*thead that she is.
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:39:24
In reply to Mebbe if he ans. stupid Muffled..., posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:36:32
If so.
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:44:18
In reply to Mebbe if he ans. stupid Muffled..., posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:36:32
I'm gonna get wasted and make it go away. Fry brain fry. Maybe let some bad out for good measure. F*cking stupid muffled. I will refresh and refresh so I can not bother anyone no more.
SORRY.
Sh*t.
Help.
Da*m.
I just don't know.
Muffled.
Sorry.
I liked all the hugs people gave me.
Now your proly sorry you gave them to me. But they're mine and I will keep them.
Posted by rainbowbrite on November 3, 2005, at 13:00:42
In reply to Forget it., posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:44:18
muffled im not sure what happened here, But maybe when Dr Bob sees that you posted something that he supplied a link to he will feel differnetly about the pbc. But try to look at as Dr Bob playing an administrative role here and he maintains that distance from people to prevent his role from changing. The minute he repiles to more personal posts he has chnged his role. I dont know if thats it, i dont know. I just feel bad you are so upset. Im sure he is not trying to hurt you, and Im sure he doesnt want to drive you away. All the hugs that were given are yours and Im sure that no-one wants them back! please dont fry your brain :-). try to do something to distract yourself from this place for awhile.
(((muffled)))
Posted by alexandra_k on November 3, 2005, at 15:24:31
In reply to Forget it., posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 12:44:18
i think that might be his funny way of saying 'yeah, that comment is inappropriate to this site' (the Nietzche quote).
don't you go anywhere...
i don't think anybody wants you to go away.
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