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Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 12:36:22
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob...just to clarify..., posted by 10derHeart on November 2, 2005, at 12:27:42
Posted by ClearSkies on November 2, 2005, at 13:35:39
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob...just to clarify..., posted by 10derHeart on November 2, 2005, at 12:27:42
Apparently the Neitzsche link has been there for some time - perhaps Dr Bob could explain his choice?
Dr Bob...?
Posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 14:51:36
In reply to Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 11:55:04
Im confused. maybe I have missed something but he is just quoted?
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 15:02:41
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 14:51:36
> Im confused. maybe I have missed something but he is just quoted?
The writer guy is quoted and there is a link to the whole article and from there you can get to other articles written by the same guy. There was one called the antichrist and I partly read it and it seemed AWFUL and I had to stop, so I dunno how bad it is. Its just from what I have seen I would never align myself with such a person in any way. It kinda wigged me out. Just who is Dr. Bob anyways? He is in the background, seemingly a nice guy, but why this writer? I dunno, I just not very trusting is all. I need to know what is going on. I would like to be here. I can only partially be here anyhow. But the thing needs to be explained or I can't be here at all. I have to protect myself. My kids need me.
Muffled.
Posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 16:02:29
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh? » rainbowbrite, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 15:02:41
Hey, I met Dr Bob
I think he is a nice, genuine guy. I personally wouldnt hesitate in trusting his site. Nietzsche is a famous philosopher. He is in textbooks everywhere. Bobs ok. I pesonally like that quote, its sorta true, dont you think? Whatever hard stuff we conquor only makes us stronger...I believe it. I actually say it a lot, and I have no affiliation with any antireligious groups or anything. I even go to church sometimes :-). I dont know if that helps any? And I have a book with a lot of Neitzsche in it, I havent read it, but still.
Posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 16:26:48
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 16:02:29
All Im trying to say is that *all* the beliefs of a quoted are not necessarily a reflection of the person who quotes them. I was trying to be helpful but Im worried I may have not come accross helpful. sorry. My head is too overworked to be posting right now.
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 16:29:23
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 16:02:29
The problem that I set here is not what shall replace mankind in the order of living creatures (--man is an end--): but what type of man must be bred, must be willed, as being the most valuable, the most worthy of life, the most secure guarantee of the future.
This more valuable type has appeared often enough in the past: but always as a happy accident, as an exception, never as deliberately willed. Very often it has been precisely the most feared; hitherto it has been almost the terror of terrors ;--and out of that terror the contrary type has been willed, cultivated and attained: the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick brute-man--the Christian. . .
This blurb is out of the antichrist article. I jus can't read it. mebbe someone else can?
Posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 17:21:06
In reply to ?????????????????????, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 16:29:23
I really shouldnt have posted, Im really tired and I didnt read the thread and stuff. I was responding to your concern about Dr Bob.
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 17:40:40
In reply to sorry muffled, posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 17:21:06
> I really shouldnt have posted, Im really tired and I didnt read the thread and stuff. I was responding to your concern about Dr Bob.
Rain, I value posts in that someone actually intereacts with me. i marvel at it still. I'm glad you posted. made me feel good. I WAS interested tha you'd actually met Dr. Bob. No horns on his head eh!!!!
Muffled
Posted by ClearSkies on November 2, 2005, at 17:57:24
In reply to Not be sorry!!! » rainbowbrite, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 17:40:40
I actually emailed Dr Bob about the link because I thought someone had been messing with his homepage! (Paranoid, much?) I know *nothing* about Neitzsche except how to spell the guy's name. Philosophy is something I'm qualified to discuss with my cat, and only because she doesn't talk back.
Posted by rainbowbrite on November 2, 2005, at 17:59:23
In reply to Not be sorry!!! » rainbowbrite, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 17:40:40
good Im glad, I havnet slept more than 6 hours in 3 nights so I dont trust what I say or think anymore :-)
I was worried I upset you.
It didnt look like there were any horns, hmm but I cant be sure lol JUST KIDDING Dr Bob!!!!
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 17:59:54
In reply to Re: Not be sorry!!! » muffled, posted by ClearSkies on November 2, 2005, at 17:57:24
Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:03:04
In reply to Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 11:55:04
> That writer guy is creeping me out. Why do you associate yourself w/him? Can you please tell me. Its bothering me alot.
I might be wrong but I think...
He just liked the quote so was providing a link to where the original quote appeared in context:> Agreed that I am a decadent, I am also the very reverse. Among other things there is this proof: I always instinctively select the proper remedy in preference to harmful ones; whereas the decadent, as such, invariably chooses those remedies which are bad for him. As a whole I was healthy, but in certain details I was a decadent. The energy with which I forced myself to absolute solitude, and to an alienation from my customary habits of life; the self-discipline that forbade me to be pampered, waited on, and doctored-all this betrays the absolute certainty of my instincts in regard to what at that time was most needful to me. I placed myself in my own hands, I restored myself to health: to do this, the first condition of success, as every physiologist will admit, is that the man be basically sound. A typically morbid nature cannot become healthy at all, much less by his own efforts. On the other hand, to an intrinsically sound nature, illness may even act as a powerful stimulus to life, to an abundance of life. It is thus that I now regard my long period of illness: it seemed then as if I had discovered life afresh, my own self included. I tasted all/ good and even trifling things in a way in which others could not very well taste them-out of my Will to Health and to Life I made my philosophy. . . . For I wish this to be understood; it was during those, years of most lowered vitality that I ceased from being a pessimist: the instinct of self-recovery bade a philosophy of poverty and desperation. Now, how are we to recognize Nature's most excellent human products? They are recognized by the fact that an excellent man of this sort gladdens our senses; he is carved from a single block, which is hard, sweet, and fragrant. He enjoys only what is good for him; his pleasure, his desire, ceases when the limits of what is good for him are overstepped. He divines remedies against injuries; he knows how to turn serious accidents to his own advantage; whatever does not kill him makes him stronger. He instinctively gathers his material from all he sees, hears, and experiences. He is a selective principle; he rejects much. He is always in his own company, whether his intercourse be with books, men or natural scenery; he honors the things he chooses, the things he acknowledges, the thing7s he trusts. He reacts slowly to all kinds of stimuli, with that tardiness which long caution and deliberate pride have bred in him-he tests the approaching stimulus - would not think of going toward it. He believes in neither "ill-fortune" nor "guilt"; he can digest himself and others; he knows how to forget-he is strong enough to make everything turn to his own advantage.
Isn't that something to aspire to?
And isn't it just a little bit true in the sense that we are still here?Nietzche said 'truth is a whore' at one point... He could be fairly sexist. But then... The bible can be seen as fairly sexist too. And yeah, he was fairly hostile to christianity. But then Jesus was fairly hostile to Judaism and so it goes on...
William Blake was a poet who wrote about 'the marriage of heaven and hell' and various other things that could have him interpreted as being a handmaiden for satan at times... I think one needs to appreciate something of the context...
I don't know very much about him...
I don't study that style of philosophy.
More poetry than philosophy.
More self-expression than making claims that are supposed to be objectively / intersubjectively assessed for truth.
More self expression than furthering knowledge...
Or something.
I dunno.But he is an interesting figure.
He deteriorated rather in his later years and ended up killing himself.Lest we forget...
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 18:21:09
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:03:04
> I might be wrong but I think...
> He just liked the quote so was providing a link to where the original quote appeared in context:
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But that quote is from an author that if I get what he says, is VERY hurtful to me and proly others. Everybody says good and bad stuff. But this guys stuff seems SO nasty.> Isn't that something to aspire to?
> And isn't it just a little bit true in the sense that we are still here?The old 'grain of truth' thing
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> Nietzche said 'truth is a whore' at one point... He could be fairly sexist. But then... The bible can be seen as fairly sexist too. And yeah, he was fairly hostile to christianity. But then Jesus was fairly hostile to Judaism and so it goes on...
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> William Blake was a poet who wrote about 'the marriage of heaven and hell' and various other things that could have him interpreted as being a handmaiden for satan at times... I think one needs to appreciate something of the context...
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> I don't know very much about him...
> I don't study that style of philosophy.
> More poetry than philosophy.
> More self-expression than making claims that are supposed to be objectively / intersubjectively assessed for truth.
> More self expression than furthering knowledge...
> Or something.
> I dunno.
>
> But he is an interesting figure.
> He deteriorated rather in his later years and ended up killing himself.
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> Lest we forget...
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Yeah Alex. Love ya! And he ended up killing himself. Proly an embittered old man.
So much for improvement. I guess we can feel better about ourselves in that we don't judge cruelly. I was hoping you would post and maybe have some clarity. Its crazy stuff to try and read. So there's hope for us. We not cruel.
I still wonder that Dr.Bob would quote a nasty person, who offed hisself, on a mental health type webplace?
Does he even know?
Thanks Alex. Hope you are doing ok.
Muffled
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Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:46:29
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 18:21:09
> > I might be wrong but I think...
> > He just liked the quote so was providing a link to where the original quote appeared in context:> But that quote is from an author that if I get what he says, is VERY hurtful to me and proly others.
???
Thinking of the quote in context... How was what he said hurtful? I thought it was inspiring...> Everybody says good and bad stuff. But this guys stuff seems SO nasty.
Some of it or all of it?
Stuff around that quote or stuff when you look further afield?
I don't understand how what he wrote is 'SO nasty'.> The old 'grain of truth' thing
Yup.
> And he ended up killing himself. Proly an embittered old man.Sick. Either syphilus or brain cancer is the best guess... I'm not sure he was embittered. Actually... In the link he talks a fair bit about resentment...
> So much for improvement.
? He found hope in a place of despair.
The will to live.
But I suppose it is something of an ongoing battle, yup.> I guess we can feel better about ourselves in that we don't judge cruelly.
Yes. And we can be more aware of when we do...
> I was hoping you would post and maybe have some clarity.
I don't know that I add clarity. I've never studied him. I read some of something he wrote. 'Truth is a whore' etc but it isn't really my area of philosophy.
> Its crazy stuff to try and read. So there's hope for us. We not cruel.
I think everybody has cruel thoughts at times. But... Its about what we do with those...
> I still wonder that Dr.Bob would quote a nasty person, who offed hisself, on a mental health type webplace?
I don't think he was a 'nasty person'.
I thought the quote in context was actually fairly hopeful / optimistic / inspiring...
It can be hard to read older things in context and try and take some message that is appropriate / relevant to current times...
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 18:56:39
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh? » muffled, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:46:29
I started to read some of THAT guys! other stuff, cuz i thot if Dr. Bob saw fit to quote him, that maybe he had some good stuff to say. But then I was assaulted by the words about christians being horrible, the worst form of being possible. I was so shocked and sickened. I am a Christian, and I don't care what other religions others want to be. I don't attack others. THAT guy was seem to be SO nasty to Christians. Read the article he wrote antichrist. Mebbe I didn't read ernough, but it freaked me out and I could read no more. it makes me scared and sick. Thats all.
Glad to hear from you.
Muffled.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 19:09:35
In reply to Nasty,nasty,nasty!!! » alexandra_k, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 18:56:39
> I was assaulted by the words about christians being horrible, the worst form of being possible.
lol. I think he rants at the level of the 'system' rather than the particular individuals. He rants at the level of church teachings rather than at the level of what particuar people believe.
Yup. He's controversial...
Well... You don't have to be afraid because he is long dead.
He was writing at a time when the church had immense power and abused that power immensely. If you see it that way... That the church (as a system of indoctrination) are dominant and he is in the minority for speaking out then I think that makes a little more sense of his 'hostile' approach.
That was long before the current days of political correctness...
But what he had to say about how life seems sometimes...
I think angst is relevant to today
Even when our current political and social climate is a bit different...
Posted by Declan on November 2, 2005, at 20:38:34
In reply to Re: Nasty,nasty,nasty!!! » muffled, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 19:09:35
Nietzche, Christianity, the Death of God, C19 civilization, the Admin Board......you guys must have strong nerves. I think some of Ecce Homo is very funny, which might mean I shouldn't be here.
Declan
Posted by Declan on November 3, 2005, at 0:47:57
In reply to Re: Nasty,nasty,nasty!!!, posted by Declan on November 2, 2005, at 20:38:34
This reminds me that the other day waiting for blood to be taken I was dipping into Isaiah (sp?) and it's not especially civil about those on the ends of all those curses, which is OK with me...you know, all the 'Woe to Ninevah' type thing. I imagine him cursing the citizens of my town and cheer up. Basis of western civilization and whatnot.
Declan
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 3, 2005, at 7:41:40
In reply to ?????????????????????, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 16:29:23
> the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick brute-man--the Christian. . .
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Even if you're quoting someone else.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by AuntieMel on November 3, 2005, at 8:26:38
In reply to Re: Yo,Dr.Bob.Sup/your home page link eh?, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:03:04
"But then Jesus was fairly hostile to Judaism and so it goes on..."
Jesus wasn't hostile to Judaism. In fact, he was a very observant Jew. Early in the history of Christianity those who wanted to join had to also convert to Judaism, circumcision and all.
Posted by Dinah on November 3, 2005, at 8:50:53
In reply to Re: a correction » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on November 3, 2005, at 8:26:38
Thanks Mel, for clarifying that. I don't know how I missed that statement.
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 9:29:18
In reply to Re: please be civil » muffled, posted by Dr. Bob on November 3, 2005, at 7:41:40
> > the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick brute-man--the Christian. . .
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Even if you're quoting someone else.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BobI don't understand. Why don't you answer? You pbc me? You want me to go away? If you want me to I will. Please just tell so I know. It feels like you do. :(
I just don't understand.
Why?
Muffled.
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 11:27:55
In reply to Re: please be civil » muffled, posted by Dr. Bob on November 3, 2005, at 7:41:40
Can I explain? Maybe you don't understand? The quote came from the guy, the writer. I only posted it because noone seemed to take me seriously or understand what I was getting at. I didn't post it until later cuz it is awful. I had no idea I would get a pbc. I make jokes alot of times cuz thats what I do when I am nervous or uncomfortable. But I am very serious about this. I e-mailed you too before. Did you get it? I know this is your place and not mine. I am sorry. I just am concerned is all. I been saying stuff I say nowhere else. I am exposed, its scarey. So I a little, or alot nervous about this place. That is why. I wish I could somehow make you understand. If you just don't like me or think I will be unable to be here without trouble please TELL me so I can go away. I don't know what to do. I hope this is civil. I'm very sorry. I'm confused.
Sincerely Muffled
Posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2005, at 11:43:49
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 11:27:55
Hi muffled. Did your quote that was PBC'd come directly from the link on Dr. Bob's home page or from another source?
gg
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