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Posted by NikkiT2 on July 29, 2005, at 16:02:01
In reply to Re: I think.. NikkiT2 » Carolina, posted by gabbii on July 29, 2005, at 10:58:45
I think my feelings on the subject that was being discussed would be pretty clear to most after the last 3 weeks I have lived through in London. This isn't about disagreeing with what was said.
Anyway, I was digressing..
From my understanding of the rules, you shouldn't even call a group of people a bad name.. And what ever we feel, the terrorists are a group of people with "feelings". The words were directed at those people.
Nikki
Posted by NikkiT2 on July 29, 2005, at 16:03:03
In reply to Re: I think.. » Nikkit2, posted by Carolina on July 29, 2005, at 6:41:58
She called a group of people, albeit terrorists, bad names.. By bad names, I mean the uncivil words she used.
I'm not going to repeat them, as that would get me banned.
Nikki xx
Posted by crushedout on July 29, 2005, at 16:08:13
In reply to Re: I think.. NikkiT2 » gabbii, posted by NikkiT2 on July 29, 2005, at 16:02:01
She didn't use a bad name to refer to them. She just said she didn't care what they believed (i.e., no matter what they believe) killing is messed up. something like that. i don't even think it's clear whom she was referring to (i couldn't tell if it was referring to terrorists).
Posted by gabbii on July 29, 2005, at 16:35:12
In reply to Re: I think.. NikkiT2 » NikkiT2, posted by crushedout on July 29, 2005, at 16:08:13
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> She didn't use a bad name to refer to them. She just said she didn't care what they believed (i.e., no matter what they believe) killing is messed up. something like that. i don't even think it's clear whom she was referring to (i couldn't tell if it was referring to terrorists).That's what I thought too, actually I thought she made that especially clear, by saying no matter who you are, this is wrong.. that she wasn't directing it at any on group, even though the e-mail might have been representing one, I'm not clear on who it was either.
And the words weren't describing anything but her horror.
Anyway, Dr. Bob said the P.B.C was given for other reasons, which I still think show he misunderstood her post, so this is beside the point anyway.
Posted by barosky on July 29, 2005, at 19:57:30
In reply to Re: geez, posted by Dr. Bob on July 28, 2005, at 23:01:36
Dr. Bob don't respond to any of my posts, I am enforcing a DNP or whatever that thing is for you.
Posted by Carolina on July 29, 2005, at 20:06:52
In reply to I REQUEST A DO NOT POST FOR DR. BOB, posted by barosky on July 29, 2005, at 19:57:30
Posted by JenStar on July 29, 2005, at 20:07:07
In reply to I REQUEST A DO NOT POST FOR DR. BOB, posted by barosky on July 29, 2005, at 19:57:30
barosky,
please don't take the lack of posts from Dr. Bob personally!Dr. Bob is the main site administrator, and I don't believe it's possible to ask him not to post to you. Did you mean for your DNP to be addressed to a specific poster?
Also, keep in mind that he's here mostly to handle admin issues, and rarely responds to general posts. He never joins in social chats. Sometimes he comments on OUR comments or requests for determinations, but doesn't get into personal discussions. He also never offers any medical or therapeutic advice, because this is a social chat site, regardless of the topics of our chats.
I don't think you should take it personally. It's just his style of running the boards.
Have you been posting here long?
JenStar
Posted by gabbii on July 29, 2005, at 21:42:27
In reply to Re: I think.. NikkiT2 » NikkiT2, posted by crushedout on July 29, 2005, at 16:08:13
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> She didn't use a bad name to refer to them. She just said she didn't care what they believed (i.e., no matter what they believe) killing is messed up. something like that. i don't even think it's clear whom she was referring to (i couldn't tell if it was referring to terrorists).How can you use a bad name to describe terrorists anyway, isn't the name itself a little on the negative side? Is there a p.c term for terrorists?
Posted by crushedout on July 29, 2005, at 21:44:29
In reply to Re: I think.. NikkiT2, posted by gabbii on July 29, 2005, at 21:42:27
"terrorist" isn't exactly neutral.
Posted by gabbii on July 29, 2005, at 21:58:31
In reply to good point gabs., posted by crushedout on July 29, 2005, at 21:44:29
these are me thinking out loud, not directed at you.
Posted by gabbii on July 29, 2005, at 22:33:35
In reply to good point gabs., posted by crushedout on July 29, 2005, at 21:44:29
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Yeah, I'm pretty good sometimes heh?
Posted by crushedout on July 29, 2005, at 22:37:28
In reply to Re: good point gabs. » crushedout, posted by gabbii on July 29, 2005, at 22:33:35
yeah.
Posted by Carolina on July 30, 2005, at 4:00:34
In reply to Re: good point gabs. » gabbii, posted by crushedout on July 29, 2005, at 22:37:28
gabbii and crushedout-i agree w/ u both on is there a p.c. term for terrorists?. anyone?????
Posted by AuntieMel on July 30, 2005, at 11:30:23
In reply to Re: good point gabs. » crushedout, posted by Carolina on July 30, 2005, at 4:00:34
I don't know about the current 'terrorists.'
But throughout history what one side would call terrorist the other side would call freedom fighter.
Now this isn't to say that I condone the tactics. I am personally horrified by them.
But the English were horrified by the colonist's tactics.
And the Americans were horrified by North Vietnam's tactics.
Different cultures value different lives differently. When I was in China the morning television show would show that day's about to be executed prisoners. They would all be put out on a balcony for everyone to see. Those sad eyes always got to me.
Posted by gabbii on July 30, 2005, at 11:47:47
In reply to Re: good point gabs. » Carolina, posted by AuntieMel on July 30, 2005, at 11:30:23
> I don't know about the current 'terrorists.'
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> But throughout history what one side would call terrorist the other side would call freedom fighter.
>What I was saying was that calling saying you shouldn't call a terrorist a bad name was a little contradictory. Of course the other side is going to call them something else, it's like Draft dodger/conscientious objector. And the fact that other cultures and other generations have felt differently about violence and life is no secret but that's isn't really this issue is it?
She wasn't putting down anyone, she was clearly horrified, and I'm completely galled that there even has to be a discussion as to whether it was *okay* to voice her horror, especially when she did it as well as she did. We can distance ourselves by intellectualizing all we want, it doesn't change that what she saw was horrifying to her, and for Chr*st sake she spoke of it!How about next time someone sees a child being tortured and writes about how horrifying it is, we all just talk about how different people value children differently, we havn't always valued them and torture ain't all bad...and would she please be civil cause there may be some child abusers out there who will have their feelings hurt.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 30, 2005, at 13:17:25
In reply to Re: I REQUEST A DO NOT POST FOR DR. BOB » barosky, posted by JenStar on July 29, 2005, at 20:07:07
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> Have you been posting here long?
> JenStarI had the same question. There's something faintly familiar to me, but there are not many posts under the screen name Barosky as of yet, so I don't know why that familiarity is there.
Oh, and I think you are right about there not being the opportunity to DNP Dr. Bob. Imagine the consequences! Yikes!
;)
gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2005, at 14:01:14
In reply to I REQUEST A DO NOT POST FOR DR. BOB, posted by barosky on July 29, 2005, at 19:57:30
> Crazy T was saying that no matter what your cause that sort of violence is wrong.
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> gabbii> that clearly means that regardless of what your reasons are, she doesn't think you should drag or behead people.
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> crushedoutMaybe I should've asked her to rephrase that instead. I think any of these would've been OK:
> that sort of violence is wrong
> I don't think you should drag or behead people
> That's just f*cking WRONG.--
> crazy t does a LOT of good for MANY babblers and she can be an excellent support system.
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> CarolinaI agree, and hope to see her back soon!
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> Dr. Bob don't respond to any of my posts, I am enforcing a DNP or whatever that thing is for you.
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> baroskySorry, I think I need to be an exception...
Bob
Posted by gabbii on July 30, 2005, at 14:22:02
In reply to Re: rephrase, posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2005, at 14:01:14
Just one more thing Dr. Bob, I don't expect you to rehash it anymore.
I realize it was the "I don't care" that you took issue with. But that was her way of saying that no matter who did this kind of thing, it was unnacceptable. In that respect she was making sure that people knew she wasn't criticizing the particular group represented by the e-mail, or any group, she wasn't saying she didn't care *about* them, she wasn't saying that Americans would never do this, or that any other country, race or religion is above those grueome tactics during war. She was saying the *behaviour* was wrong, that actually exemplified civility, and it's sad that that's what got her the p.b.c.
And I really wish we had italics on this board.
I feel silly using the asterisks all the time :(
Posted by barosky on July 30, 2005, at 15:24:21
In reply to Re: rephrase, posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2005, at 14:01:14
Please ban yourself, or show me where it is indicated that you are excluded from DNP requests, thanks.
Posted by Carolina on July 31, 2005, at 2:24:36
In reply to Dr. Bob, you violated my DNP request, posted by barosky on July 30, 2005, at 15:24:21
Posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2005, at 16:21:34
In reply to Dr. Bob, you violated my DNP request, posted by barosky on July 30, 2005, at 15:24:21
> Please ban yourself, or show me where it is indicated that you are excluded from DNP requests, thanks.
LOL! I thought of that a while back...
The only worry was that I might not get warnings or notifications of blockings anymore.
And so... One could get blocked without even knowing what one had done:-(
Posted by AuntieMel on August 1, 2005, at 8:24:48
In reply to Re: good point gabs. » AuntieMel, posted by gabbii on July 30, 2005, at 11:47:47
I agree with it being horrifying. There is no argument there. I also agree that a PBC was harsh under the circumstances.
She just asked if there was a p.c. name for them. So I was responding to that.
Posted by Carolina on August 1, 2005, at 8:29:04
In reply to Re: DNP above » JenStar, posted by gardenergirl on July 30, 2005, at 13:17:25
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> I had the same question. There's something faintly familiar to me, but there are not many posts under the screen name Barosky as of yet, so I don't know why that familiarity is there.
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> Oh, and I think you are right about there not being the opportunity to DNP Dr. Bob. Imagine the consequences! Yikes!
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> ;)
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> gg
>---thats odd gg b/c i also though something seemed SO familiar but cant place it just yet???
Posted by gabbii on August 1, 2005, at 9:33:39
In reply to Re: DNP above, posted by Carolina on August 1, 2005, at 8:29:04
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> > I had the same question. There's something faintly familiar to me, but there are not many posts under the screen name Barosky as of yet, so I don't know why that familiarity is there.
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> > Oh, and I think you are right about there not being the opportunity to DNP Dr. Bob. Imagine the consequences! Yikes!
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> ---thats odd gg b/c i also though something seemed SO familiar but cant place it just yet???*Wrong*
Posted by gabbii on August 1, 2005, at 9:40:30
In reply to Re: good point gabs. » gabbii, posted by AuntieMel on August 1, 2005, at 8:24:48
> I agree with it being horrifying. There is no argument there. I also agree that a PBC was harsh under the circumstances.
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> She just asked if there was a p.c. name for them. So I was responding to that.Oh, that had been part of my post originally so I wasn't sure, I didn't really understand why the mention of war tactics by different groups though, as she (T) hadn't made any generalizations that way, I guess it was just free association. Sorry Auntie Mel
The fact that it was directed to Caroline should have clued me in.
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