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Posted by Dr. Bob on June 16, 2005, at 1:02:40
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 15, 2005, at 17:47:02
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 16, 2005, at 1:27:43
In reply to Re: DNP requests, posted by alexandra_k on June 15, 2005, at 15:41:01
> With respect to this:
>
> [ http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/studs/20050329/msgs/513432.html ]
>
> They were general comments rather than being directed (IMO).Sorry, but to me, this:
> > You should be able to check their lists of papers online. From there you should be able to obtain a past years course outline. That should give you an outline of the topics covered in the course and should also give you the name of the txt book and any reccomended readings.
> >
> > Looking at all three can be a good way of deciding whether the paper is likely to interest you or not.sounds directed, while this:
> > Over here you don't really need to decide until your second full time year what you want to major in and what you want your first support to be etc.
> >
> > Sometimes you find that a subject that you wouldn't have thought would interest you all that much really does. And sometimes you find that a subject that you would have thought interesting actually isn't to you because of the interests of the faculty members in the department.sounds general.
> I'm not sure what goes on with Dinah when she requests me to not post to her. I don't know if she is attempting to stop me continuing to post to the thread or what.
She's attempting to stop you from continuing to post to her? And I don't think you did, so I'm going to block you from posting for a week. Sorry.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#harrass
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Sarah T. on June 16, 2005, at 2:36:03
In reply to Re: I formally request that Lar's block be reduced, posted by KaraS on June 15, 2005, at 17:14:24
Dr. Bob,
Please rescind Larry Hoover's block. Why do you block someone who contributes so much and helps so many? His absence is OUR loss.
Thank you.
Sarah T.
Posted by Dinah on June 16, 2005, at 4:51:07
In reply to Re: blocked for week » alexandra_k, posted by Dr. Bob on June 16, 2005, at 1:27:43
Dr. Bob. I wasn't just being nice when I said that I didn't want to see Alexandra blocked because of this. I saw her post as a nice gesture. I'll admit that it isn't a good general idea to post even nice gestures to someone who has asked you not to post to them, but I hate to see someone blocked over one, particularly one to me. Reminded, perhaps, especially in light of the circumstances before and conversation after Lar's block, but not blocked.
If I lift the DNP, would you lift the block?
Posted by Dinah on June 16, 2005, at 7:57:56
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on June 16, 2005, at 4:51:07
It's obviously not fair to post about the subject when you can't reply.
But my email is
bully for you 77 at yahoo
if you want to email me and we can try for repair?
Posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 14:23:31
In reply to Explanation » Larry Hoover, posted by Dinah on June 13, 2005, at 9:23:44
This entire "administrative" forum is silly, and a major waste of time. I'm surprised, in fact, that folks as erudite as chemist and Larry even bother responding to the banal content of the posts here. It's more of game, I suspect, than anything serious.
People: toughen your skin.
Why is everyone on here so sensitive? If you find someone's posts offensive, /don't read them/, don't reply. It's as easy as that.
The fact that the forum is run as a dictatorship -- appalling in light of the laws regarding free speech in this country -- is disgusting.
I bet I risk a ban by expressing this /opinion/.
I find it patently offensive that I can't say what I want without one of the administrators jumping on my back.
amd
Posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 14:24:52
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks » Larry Hoover, posted by Dr. Bob on June 14, 2005, at 2:35:16
This is so stupid. Seriously Dr. Bob. He was apologizing. Tell whomever Larry was addressing to quit reading his posts!
amd
Posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 14:31:17
In reply to Re: I'm sorry Larry :-(, posted by alexandra_k on June 14, 2005, at 16:16:03
Instead of letting a single complaint ruin everything for the others on the board -- for example, I could care less about the posts of the person Larry was addressing, but I find his own posts extremely insightful -- why don't you add an option to let individual users selectively filter messages from those posters whom they don't want to read? This would seem much better. In effect you hurt more than help by blocking people whose posts may have saved other people from much pain and suffering (myself included). I actually feel /pain/ when I can't query our resident experts on the various effects of psychotropic drugs and other illicit substances, even if their responses serve to merely bring me back to reality.
From a utilitarian perspective, this ridiculous policy hurts more than it helps.
amd
Posted by Jai Narayan on June 16, 2005, at 14:51:38
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks, posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 14:24:52
I've got an idea, why don't you set up a board and run it for a while.
Jai
Posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 15:50:27
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks, posted by Jai Narayan on June 16, 2005, at 14:51:38
I considered that, and if I had the time, I would.
But that is just skirting the issue, Jai. You have changed the topic of debate and violated the rules of argument.
amd
Posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 16:23:53
In reply to Re: How to follow the harassment policy » Dinah, posted by TofuEmmy on June 12, 2005, at 23:25:00
Emmy,
*Your* post was offensive! "Good grief, let it rest"? Given Larry's seriousness, that's akin to "good grief, let your depression complains rest!" How does that sound? I'm surprised you weren't the one blocked, and if you're replied in such a flippant manner to one of my (very serious) posts, I certainly would have presented that argument to Dr. Bob.
amd
> If Larry had a problem with the DNP, he should have brought it up in April and stated that he is simply unwilling to abide by it. We could have hashed it out then with Dr. Bob.
>
> I need, for my own mental health, to stop all contact from Larry. Is that not my perogative here? There is no Ignore button available. Isn't the DNP rule to protect us from posters we don't want contacting us? I am unable to respond in a civil fashion to Larry. So, the DNP prevents further disruption of the board.
>
> If too much attention has been paid to this (in Larry's opinion) - had he not posted to me, there would be no such attention. If he would stop posting to me and/or about me, all the attention would disappear. Simple. I'd like that please.
>
> emmy
Posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 16:30:33
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks, posted by Jai Narayan on June 16, 2005, at 14:51:38
Ugh -- I'm getting sucked into the fray! No more posts from me here (I hear a collective sigh of relief).
amd
Posted by AuntieMel on June 16, 2005, at 17:05:22
In reply to Re: How to follow the harassment policy » Larry Hoover, posted by Dinah on June 12, 2005, at 23:04:52
True.
But the FAQ probably should be updated. If Lar was depending on that and hasn't read the admin posts saying harassment wasn't needed he probably was confused.
In fact, once you told him about it he quit.
So, Dr. Bob - it seems too harsh to block him for something he didn't know about!
Posted by gardenergirl on June 16, 2005, at 23:06:03
In reply to Re: Explanation » Dinah, posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 14:23:31
>
> People: toughen your skin.Thanks for that advice. Hmmm, I'm highly sensitive. That's a temperament, not a choice. I wish I could effectively tell you how it feels to hear that advice. It feels like someone saying to me "change your DNA and you'll feel better." If only, sigh. But then I would also lose as aspect of myself that I view as a gift.
I don't find it easy at all to "toughen my skin". It's actually rather thin, fair, and prone to sunburn. I have to use sunblock to avoid getting burned. I view psychological sensitivity the same way. I must protect myself from getting burned as best I can.
Why am I so sensitive? I would suspect it's a result of temperament and experiences.
>
> The fact that the forum is run as a dictatorship -- appalling in light of the laws regarding free speech in this country -- is disgusting.I'm sorry you do not feel free to express yourself here. But I would like to remind you that free speech is not a right here. That is stated up front. When someone registers, they agree to abide by the site rules, which explicitly states that one does not have the right to say anything they want. Yes, this is Dr. Bob's site. His house, his rules.
>
> I bet I risk a ban by expressing this /opinion/.Could be. People's response to blocks vary. How might it affect you?
>
> I find it patently offensive that I can't say what I want without one of the administrators jumping on my back.Actually, there is only one administrator here. And my observation is he is skilled in pointing out behavior versus personal characteristics when applying administrative tools to moderate this site.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on June 16, 2005, at 23:10:21
In reply to Re: How to follow the harassment policy » TofuEmmy, posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 16:23:53
I know that your concerns about the situation were very important to you. I respect that your feelings are your own, and reflect your own truth. And I think you are entitled to have them, free and clear, just as they are.
(((emmy)))
gg
Posted by verne on June 17, 2005, at 0:16:39
In reply to Re: How to follow the harassment policy, posted by Larry Hoover on June 13, 2005, at 7:46:18
Lar,
I just wanted to say I was shocked and dismayed that you were blocked over a creative and broad interpretation of the DNP rule. You are one of the reasons I check back to this site from time to time.
I would get myself blocked as a gesture of solidarity but I'm too dumbstruck to think of a way to do it. Perhaps, I'll just stay away - that won't be hard.
I'm so sick of the administrative games at this site. I don't think it does my health - emotional or otherwise - any good.
Have a nice vacation.
Verne
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 17, 2005, at 0:20:43
In reply to (((emmy))), posted by gardenergirl on June 16, 2005, at 23:10:21
The right to ask someone Not To Post to them is part of Babble, Emmy implemented it, and expected it to be enforced.
No one but Emmy and Lar know what brought this about. Emmy had every right to have her wishes respected, *without* having people question it on the board, or speculate about the situation. And Larry himeself had the right to expect reasonable, fair, treatment.
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 17, 2005, at 0:22:48
In reply to Re: (((emmy))) » gardenergirl, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 17, 2005, at 0:20:43
Posted by TofuEmmy on June 17, 2005, at 8:19:42
In reply to Re: (((emmy))) » gardenergirl, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 17, 2005, at 0:20:43
Thank you both for your kindness and understanding. em
Posted by TamaraJ on June 17, 2005, at 14:45:14
In reply to Re: I formally request that Lar's block be reduced » Dinah, posted by TamaraJ on June 15, 2005, at 11:05:43
Have you had a chance to consider this request, which is supported by a number of posters? I think it would do a lot for morale if the request was considered and addressed. Thanks so much.
Tamara
Posted by Jai Narayan on June 17, 2005, at 16:46:19
In reply to Dumbstruck » Larry Hoover, posted by verne on June 17, 2005, at 0:16:39
I have been thinking about you.
your wonderful humor has been missed by me.
Jai
Posted by Jai Narayan on June 17, 2005, at 16:51:45
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks » Jai Narayan, posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 15:50:27
" You have changed the topic of debate and violated the rules of argument."
okay, I have to toughen up my argument skin...
I'm taking a brush to my epidermis as we speak!
Jai from the thin skinned DNA group
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 17, 2005, at 17:11:24
In reply to ouch...ouch... ouch..., posted by Jai Narayan on June 17, 2005, at 16:51:45
> " You have changed the topic of debate and violated the rules of argument."
Oh Jai, you bad egg!
Imagine, violating the sacred rules of argument! What's next on your subversive agenda?
Posted by Jakeman on June 17, 2005, at 20:39:32
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - Miscarriage of Justice!! » Dr. Bob, posted by TamaraJ on June 14, 2005, at 9:45:37
How about it Dr. Bob?
There are vital contributors to this board, the ones who selflessly offer expert advice and give suffering people help. Not to minimize other people's contributions, all are helpful. Lately several posters have stated that they are fed up and leaving. Let's keep a good thing going.
warm regards, Jake
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 17, 2005, at 23:41:13
In reply to Re: Explanation » Dinah, posted by AMD on June 16, 2005, at 14:23:31
> The fact that the forum is run as a dictatorship ... is disgusting.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.
> I bet I risk a ban by expressing this /opinion/.
>
> I find it patently offensive that I can't say what I want without one of the administrators jumping on my back.You win that bet. Different opinions are fine, and in fact encouraged, but your freedom of speech is limited here. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
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