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Posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 3:40:27
In reply to Re: politics board » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on December 5, 2004, at 1:14:08
> > We're not asked to limit our remarks about insurance companies or pharmaceutical companies to a discussion of all the wonderful things they do
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> > But politics get more emotional?hi again alex :)
i didn't write that comment. might've been tophu or mair..
:-)
(i'd comment anyway, but need a rest from this.)
take care sweetie,
amy
Posted by mair on December 5, 2004, at 10:32:56
In reply to Re: politics board » Dr. Bob, posted by alesta on December 4, 2004, at 22:07:43
I don't think Bob can let only one side be heard on this board. My very sensitive son used to take the favorable things I said about his friends, as criticism of him. Frankly, I could see me reacting the same way. Gushing can be a way putting down those who don't feel the same way, particularly when you know those people are out there and are reading what you're posting.
The more I review this thread, the more I think the politics board is not a good idea - at least for the way Dr. Bob polices things. Most people (certainly me) prefer discussing politics with people who agree with them alot more than they disagree and thus can empathize with their opinions, or at least they only want to talk with people who are not at some other far end of their political spectrum. People who were fervently against Bush are not going to feel supported by people who were ardent supporters.
If I reflect back to the discussions we had here after the election, I honestly thought Dinah was pretty much the only person participating in those discussions who was able to remain totally civil in exchanges with people who obviously disagreed with her. I thought she was making a sincere attempt to unemotionally explain a different point of view to people who clearly didn't share her opinions. Frankly, I think she's the exception and not the rule.
How about 2 different politics boards?
Mair
Posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 11:31:39
In reply to Re: politics board - more than one?, posted by mair on December 5, 2004, at 10:32:56
that's an interesting idea, mair. i wonder what ppl think.
i guess the only problem might be how we would separate the boards. one for republicans and one for democrats? but then, there are some republicans that are very anti-bush, and might be very unhappy on the "republican" board. maybe a better division would be pro-bush and anti-bush? but that would just look weird, lol..and we have to take other countries' political denominations and leaders into account maybe.
perhaps there's a simpler way to divide the boards than this? i don't know. maybe someone else can come up with something, or give some more input to this topic.
amie :-)
Posted by mair on December 5, 2004, at 12:03:17
In reply to Re: politics board - more than one? » mair, posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 11:31:39
I think it's ok to divide them up by party with the note that these designations are not absolute. In my state, we're not required to state a party when we register to vote so party affiliations aren't as strong anyway. I'm assuming threads would be subject specific, so there's nothing to prevent an anti-Bush republican from participating in threads on the other board about positions with which he or she identifies.
Mair
Posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 12:28:14
In reply to Re: politics board - more than one? » alesta, posted by mair on December 5, 2004, at 12:03:17
> I think it's ok to divide them up by party with the note that these designations are not absolute. In my state, we're not required to state a party when we register to vote so party affiliations aren't as strong anyway. I'm assuming threads would be subject specific, so there's nothing to prevent an anti-Bush republican from participating in threads on the other board about positions with which he or she identifies.
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> Mairwell that sounds like it'll work! :-)
Posted by Fallen4MyT on December 5, 2004, at 22:20:50
In reply to Re: politics board, posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2004, at 4:27:05
I personally refrain from posting and reading ANY boards or posts that I feel I cannot handle. But for those who want the Political boards I think that is fine it is Dr. Bob's site and anyone posting on the site unless they are VERY new knows there are civility rules...I would raise Dr Bob's blood pressure and get a permanete block if I were to post there <g> so I don't...As an adult I avoid it. It to me is a matter of self restraint as well as respect of someone else's site. That is just my opinion on it.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2004, at 23:56:58
In reply to oh frig, I can't work out who its for..., posted by alexandra_k on December 5, 2004, at 1:18:56
> oh fr[*]g
Please don't use language that could offend others.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2004, at 23:58:13
In reply to Re: politics board » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on December 4, 2004, at 23:35:52
> > Well, how about policies you think would be positive, at least?
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> someone who's happy w/ the job president bush is doing can talk about how wonderful he is or what a great job he did with such and such.
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> but then the ppl who aren't satisfied with bush ... basically have to just sit there and say nothing.
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> amyNo, they could talk about how wonderful another policy would be...
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> A proper analysis of any policy requires assessing the good and the bad. The world is not all sweetness and light.
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> ggThat's a good point... What I'd like to avoid is just the bad, without any good. Balance is important.
Bob
Posted by Dinah on December 6, 2004, at 2:17:51
In reply to Re: please be civil » alexandra_k, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2004, at 23:56:58
And I was surprised again, so my recall is not what it should be.
Sorry Alexandra.
Posted by Dinah on December 6, 2004, at 3:35:23
In reply to Re: politics board - more than one?, posted by mair on December 5, 2004, at 10:32:56
Thanks Mair. I guess my interest in politics is more intellectual than passionate. I can generally see the point of all sides.
I had tons of practice. My father and I used to have hours and hours and hours of political and current issues and history (and religion and philosophy) discussions that would fit perfectly into Dr. Bob's civility guidelines. Daddy enjoyed arguing (in the nonpassionate sense) different sides of the same discussion. And while I think he did it just for the fun of it, it makes perfect sense too. Because there are generally coherent arguments on most sides of any issue. So we'd talk politics in terms of how shrewd a politician's strategy was. And current events in terms of likely outcomes of various possible decisions, and the political likelihood of each coming to pass. Religious and philosophical discussions went the same way.
My mother is an extreme and very passionate conservative, but from my conversations with my father and his friends, it never occurred to me that so many people approached topics like my mother rather than my father.
When the Faith board first came up, I was excited thinking that I could finally have somewhere to have the discussions that Daddy and I used to have, and that my husband detests. But it didn't take me long to discover that Faith wasn't quite like that. And I see no evidence that a board on current affairs (and I agree with Mel that if Dr. Bob is foolhardy enough to go ahead with this, he ought to change the name) would be any more like it.
I'm not sure that two boards would solve the issues that I see. If, for example, a Gorgatrope came to the site and there was on the site a board in which members of Babble were saying how angry they were that Gorgatropes were so shortsighted and uninformed and that they felt the need to apologize for the actions of Gorgatropes (which implies that the actions of Gorgatropes are shameworthy), I'm guessing that even if the Gorgatrope doesn't post on that board, it will affect how he will relate with the people who are saying those things on every board. Because no one likes to think that people think that badly of them. And I doubt many people are unaffected by it.
Separate boards, same boards, Social, Politics, Current Affairs, Republican Board, Democrat Board. Passionate denunciation of viewpoints, especially passionate denunciation of viewpoints that verge into passionate denunciation of a group, is bound to cause feelings of alienation and lessen supportive and loving feelings.
I understand that people think that's a fair trade. And if that's what people, and more importantly Dr. Bob want, then that's fine.
I'm just sad. Because it seems like there must be lots of places on the internet to denounce Bush or people who voted for Bush or people who believe in this or that policy. But there aren't that many places with a loving supportive environment for those with mental health issues.
But that's just me, and I'm clearly in the minority. In more ways than one. :)
Posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 3:55:39
In reply to Re: politics board, posted by Fallen4MyT on December 5, 2004, at 22:20:50
> I personally refrain from posting and reading ANY boards or posts that I feel I cannot handle. But for those who want the Political boards I think that is fine it is Dr. Bob's site and anyone posting on the site unless they are VERY new knows there are civility rules...I would raise Dr Bob's blood pressure and get a permanete block if I were to post there <g> so I don't...As an adult I avoid it. It to me is a matter of self restraint as well as respect of someone else's site. That is just my opinion on it.
hi fallen,:)
i hear you. i myself have no plans of posting on any political boards either. :) it wouldn't bother me if there were no political boards at all, and it might be prudent to eliminate them. (i said might, guys. nobody write me debating this please.:))amy
Posted by Fallen4MyT on December 6, 2004, at 12:40:12
In reply to Re: politics board » Fallen4MyT, posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 3:55:39
Exactly Alesta I myself can just not open that board as well as the faith board and be fine. I come here more for the psych and social...So for me, it is just as if they had a board on Jessica Simpson on here...I would just avoid it it she is of zero intrest to me and of othere wanted to talk on her that's cool for those Dr Bob set the Jessica board up for ..Hahaha can you imagine? If I come on here someday and see a Jessica Simpson boaed I will die loling
> > I personally refrain from posting and reading ANY boards or posts that I feel I cannot handle. But for those who want the Political boards I think that is fine it is Dr. Bob's site and anyone posting on the site unless they are VERY new knows there are civility rules...I would raise Dr Bob's blood pressure and get a permanete block if I were to post there <g> so I don't...As an adult I avoid it. It to me is a matter of self restraint as well as respect of someone else's site. That is just my opinion on it.
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> hi fallen,:)
> i hear you. i myself have no plans of posting on any political boards either. :) it wouldn't bother me if there were no political boards at all, and it might be prudent to eliminate them. (i said might, guys. nobody write me debating this please.:))
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> amy
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Posted by TofuEmmy on December 6, 2004, at 13:07:38
In reply to Re: politics board » alesta, posted by Fallen4MyT on December 6, 2004, at 12:40:12
I'd read a Homer Simpson board!
Posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 13:48:56
In reply to Re: politics board » alesta, posted by Fallen4MyT on December 6, 2004, at 12:40:12
oh my god you are so funny! thanks for the laugh, fallen. :-) something about that post really tickled me.
but how do you know you aren't talking to jessica simpson right now? :)kidding, heh
amy
Posted by Fallen4MyT on December 6, 2004, at 14:18:29
In reply to Re: politics board - yeah but, » Fallen4MyT, posted by TofuEmmy on December 6, 2004, at 13:07:38
> I'd read a Homer Simpson board!
LMAO I too might have more to say on that board :P
Posted by Fallen4MyT on December 6, 2004, at 14:25:44
In reply to Re: politics board » Fallen4MyT, posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 13:48:56
HAHAHA "Jessica" it was tuna not chicken :-P I am glad to make you lol...I love to add a tad of lightness to heavy topics, I tend to be a light person kind of easy..not THAT way but you know......I really would bust out loling if Dr Bob did set the J Simpson board up.....or H Simpson who may be a tad brighter :)
Maybe we should request a board for Simpsons ? Think he would? :)
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> oh my god you are so funny! thanks for the laugh, fallen. :-) something about that post really tickled me.
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> but how do you know you aren't talking to jessica simpson right now? :)kidding, heh
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> amy
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Posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 15:48:38
In reply to Re: politics board » alesta, posted by Fallen4MyT on December 6, 2004, at 14:25:44
> HAHAHA "Jessica" it was tuna not chicken :-P I am glad to make you lol...I love to add a tad of lightness to heavy topics, I tend to be a light person kind of easy..not THAT way but you know......I really would bust out loling if Dr Bob did set the J Simpson board up.....or H Simpson who may be a tad brighter :) LOL!
homer simpson brighter than *me*? i..i..i mean jessica? are you crazy??? she's freakin genius!! only she would have the insight to notice the chicken inference on the tuna container! come on! i ain't bullshitt549ing you here! :-)
> Maybe we should request a board for Simpsons ? Think he would? :)
i wouldn't want to do that to homer...he might get blocked..indefinitely, i'm guessing..:)
ami :)
Posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 15:56:28
In reply to Re: politics board » Fallen4MyT, posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 15:48:38
um, i sort of forgot to delete some of the letters of the word bu**shi##ing in my message, even though i added some extra number symbols..it wasn't intentional, it was a mistake..nobody got hurt..me sorry. :-)
amy
Posted by Fallen4MyT on December 6, 2004, at 16:03:25
In reply to Re: politics board » Fallen4MyT, posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 15:48:38
We could send Homer a box of donuts he would not know he was blocked hahahaha...Ya know...you, I mean um uhh Jessica really IS a smart lady she's making huge bank and set for a lifetime. Freakin' frogs Alesta
ya know it may not even be tuna....who knows what's really in those cans :P
> > HAHAHA "Jessica" it was tuna not chicken :-P I am glad to make you lol...I love to add a tad of lightness to heavy topics, I tend to be a light person kind of easy..not THAT way but you know......I really would bust out loling if Dr Bob did set the J Simpson board up.....or H Simpson who may be a tad brighter :) LOL!
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> homer simpson brighter than *me*? i..i..i mean jessica? are you crazy??? she's freakin genius!! only she would have the insight to notice the chicken inference on the tuna container! come on! i ain't bullshitt549ing you here! :-)
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Posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 16:30:07
In reply to Re: politics board » alesta, posted by Fallen4MyT on December 6, 2004, at 16:03:25
> We could send Homer a box of donuts he would not know he was blocked
hehehe. good one! :-)
<...Ya know...you, I mean um uhh Jessica really IS a smart lady she's making huge bank and set for a lifetime. Freakin' frogs Alesta
freakin What? LOL
> ya know it may not even be tuna....who knows what's really in those cans :P
don't tell me that..it'll give me frog freakin nightmares..
it IS tuna. It IS!!!
ami
Posted by alexandra_k on December 8, 2004, at 0:30:35
In reply to Re: please be civil » alexandra_k, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2004, at 23:56:58
I just learned that that one wasn't ok today.
Won't happen again.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 8, 2004, at 0:35:14
In reply to That was the word I didn't know was banned!!, posted by Dinah on December 6, 2004, at 2:17:51
Aw, me neither...
> Sorry Alexandra.What are you apologising for?????
I am ok. I didn't know before, but now I do. If I'd been blocked on the other hand...
Posted by sunny10 on December 8, 2004, at 12:27:04
In reply to Re: politics board, posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2004, at 12:46:57
A politics board in 2004-2005 should be a place to discuss what positive policies SHOULD be adapted if folks think they're needed. Positive discussions about what we think might make a difference to people in the world, perhaps??!!
It would be a complete waste of everyone's time to simply b*tch and moan about the current state of things-- for those with an types of anxiety, we will only succeed in triggering someone by re-iterating over and over about what's WRONG with the world...
Why does it bother all of you so much that Bob asks for this to be a positive board?
I, myself, am bothered by the reactions of fellow babblers who get upset by those of us who are trying to look on the positive side of things.
Is it considered wrong to want to be emotionally stable/strong??? Why does everyone seem to want to stay mired in the negative??
Think about it...
Posted by alexandra_k on December 8, 2004, at 13:00:07
In reply to Re: politics board, posted by sunny10 on December 8, 2004, at 12:27:04
Oh Sunny, I agree 100%. I was hoping that people would get sick of the Bush / Kerry debate soon enough anyway. There is a lot of other stuff going on in the world too you know peoples...
Posted by alesta on December 9, 2004, at 19:44:37
In reply to Re: politics board, posted by sunny10 on December 8, 2004, at 12:27:04
sunny,
but you don't see how bob's version of positivity is slanted toward republicans. pro-bush republicans are obviously going to make a lot of "positive" arguments about the current administration and the job it's doing. therefore, they are allowed to have their full say. anti-bush democrats will not be allowed to respond, as their input will be considered "negative". this will lead to a very one-sided representation of views. the only way it would be fair is if republicans agreed not to discuss the current (bush) administration or anything to do with it.in the long run, this is going to be a very unfair situation unless dr. bob changes his policies.
i am sorry you do not foresee things as i do, but i can assure you i have "thought about it".
this is my last time posting on this board, and i have expressed my opinion on this for the last time. we're going to have to agree to disagree, because i am unwavering in my view, as i predict you are as well.
amy
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