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Posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2004, at 18:27:57
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » alesta, posted by Tabitha on December 3, 2004, at 13:49:31
> all i have to say to that, dr. bob, is look at Psychcentral. they are a very peaceful community where the members are treated with respect. they have no civility guidelines or blocks. (the only rule they have is no political discussions.)
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> amy> It's true Psychcentral appears peaceful, but it might not be an entirely fair comparison. I think some of the moderating there goes on behind the scenes through private messages, and in the past I've seen heated threads get locked and/or deleted. I'm not exactly sure what the rules are there for the moderators. At this site, it's all out in the open, which IMO has both advantages and disadvantages.
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> TabithaI'm interested in how to keep it peaceful. The key is not to have civility guidelines? Not to have political discussions? Maybe there's more than one way, each having its advantages and disadvantages...
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> Your civility guidelines did absolutely nothing to deter HermanMunster; rather, it appears to me that he/she either simply lost interest in teasing mentally ill people for a laugh or is taking a breather before he comes back for more. In any case, the system failed miserably. How many posts will he get onto the board next time before you get around to doing something?
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> AtticusThe system isn't perfect. If he comes back, and if something needs to be done, I don't know how many posts he'll get onto the board first.
Bob
Posted by alesta on December 4, 2004, at 22:30:06
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules, posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2004, at 18:27:57
<The key is not to have civility guidelines? Not to have political discussions?maybe the key is no political discussions. it's better than political discussions biased toward republicans. another alternative is to alter your civility guidelines concerning politics, as has been said already!
for answers to your other questions/comments, they're all in my previous posts. i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, as i see you aren't going to budge.
amie
Posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 6:02:03
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » Dr. Bob, posted by alesta on December 4, 2004, at 22:30:06
Explain, please how blocking works. If someone like HM who has "appeared" to have been seriously unsupportive or "seemed" to have been less than civil attempts to post, can't his/her registration jingle or something? It appears like one could get quite a few more licks in before a block takes over.
And how is that the "apparently" cruel (in this case) post remains on the board as a welcome signal for all future posters? Perhaps to show them first hand the risk to which they expose themselves again and yet again?
rainy
Posted by verne on December 5, 2004, at 9:57:24
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules, posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2004, at 18:27:57
Perhaps posts that recommend suicide, harming oneself, and violence against others could be deleted - in addition to a block.
verne
Posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 11:50:52
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » alesta, posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 6:02:03
hi rainy,:)
glad to meet you!:)
> "can't his/her registration jingle or something?"
sorry, could you rephrase that for me? i don't quite understand what you mean. what do you mean by jingle?
> And how is that the "apparently" cruel (in this case) post remains on the board as a welcome signal for all future posters? Perhaps to show them first hand the risk to which they expose themselves again and yet again?
very good point, rainy. i think you might be onto something here. deleting cruel posts sounds like a good idea..posts such as munster's suicide suggestion and the one where he calls someone an idiot. i think it might cut down on some humiliation on the victim's part. i'd start a thread on this topic if you like, or direct this issue to dr. bob right now. just put his name in the subject line. great suggestion, rainy! :)
amy
Posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 12:56:26
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » rainy, posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 11:50:52
> hi rainy,:)
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> glad to meet you!:)
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> > "can't his/her registration jingle or something?"
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> sorry, could you rephrase that for me? i don't quite understand what you mean. what do you mean by jingle?
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Well, I don't know what happens when when we post. I guess I had the fantasy of a big board in a big room flashing lights or buzzers each time some miscreant attempted a post after he/she screwed up the first time. > >And how is that the "apparently" cruel (in this case) post remains on the board as a welcome signal for all future posters? Perhaps to show them first hand the risk to which they expose themselves again and yet again?
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> very good point, rainy. i think you might be onto something here. deleting cruel posts sounds like a good idea..posts such as munster's suicide suggestion and the one where he calls someone an idiot. i think it might cut down on some humiliation on the victim's part. i'd start a thread on this topic if you like, or direct this issue to dr. bob right now. just put his name in the subject line. great suggestion, rainy! :)
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> amy
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> I've already babbled him about it but maybe another jog wouldn't hurt. Thanks. I was assuming, that it would be an automatic delete at detection and 2nd, that perhaps some of our comments would have prompted deletion. I haven't been off the psycho-babble board so I'm hearing the other strikes are still there too? My goodness.
Please Amy, start another thread if you want. And I'll consider a direst post to Bob later today. Nice to meet you, too!
rainyWhy don't you start the thread?
Don't know how. Tell me again
Posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 13:18:57
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules, posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 12:56:26
all rightie. to start a new thread, just go to the bottom of this web page and you'll see a bunch of categories. click on "Start New Thread". and then you just type in your subject and your message.i'll go ahead and direct dr. bob's attention to this thread, so you don't need to start a new one (unless you want to). :-)
take care rainy,
ami
Posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 13:30:13
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules, posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 12:56:26
Dr. Bob, on behalf of Rainy and myself, I would like to ask you if you might consider a policy of deleting cruel posts, such as a few of those posted by HermanMunster? We feel this would spare the victims further humiliation and pain, as well as restore a more positive environment.
Amy
Posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 14:37:16
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » rainy, posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 13:18:57
Gotcha. Thanks for the direct to Dr. Bob. I was thinking of titles to a thread, and censorship, something I'm totally p.c. against, came to mind. But then for me, "*ss" is not at all offensive but almosy any racial slur is. That on could go on forever without any resolution. I think I feel what's the use?
And we'll probably get redirected to social except that there's a rat here somewhere. Oh boy, time to quit.
rainy.
Posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 14:48:17
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » alesta, posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 14:37:16
I second Amy's proposal--she's a step ahead of me. I don't understand the policy of letting what appear to be hurtful or significantly inappropriate posts sitting there for all to review days (or minutes) after they have been detected.
Perhaps there's a policy behind this practice? If so, please tell us what it is.
Thanks,
rainy
Posted by Dinah on December 5, 2004, at 16:12:29
In reply to to doctor Bob, posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 14:48:17
When Dr. Bob declined to remove hurtful posts, he did indeed say that posts like that were an occasional but real part of participating in Babble, and he *did* want to leave them up so that people would realize that. I'm paraphrasing.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 5, 2004, at 17:03:49
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » rainy, posted by alesta on December 5, 2004, at 11:50:52
alesta,
You wrote,[...where he calls someone an "idiot"....].
Is there a post by Herman Munster that uses that word, or is this in referrence to another poster where the word is used toward someone?
Lou
Posted by verne on December 5, 2004, at 18:10:16
In reply to In the past, posted by Dinah on December 5, 2004, at 16:12:29
This reminds me of the time I lived in a university's housing complex and complained about my neighbors who had set aside an entire room for a band-size drum set for their 2 year old. They were told by administration that this wouldn't be tolerated yet I was asked to move to another unit. The burden was on me, the victim.
If harmful posts are not removed it is an encouragement to those wishing to do harm. If a message is being made, why not to them and not to the victims? Or is this part of the experiment?
Imagine a police department allowing crime, reasoning that this is part of the real world and people need to be more aware of it. Sure it hurts now but you'll thank us later.
verne
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 5, 2004, at 19:28:01
In reply to Lou's response to alesta's post-HMidi » alesta, posted by Lou Pilder on December 5, 2004, at 17:03:49
> alesta,
> You wrote,[...where he calls someone an "idiot"....].
> Is there a post by Herman Munster that uses that word, or is this in referrence to another poster where the word is used toward someone?
> Lou
>
Alesta,
I found the post by Herman Munster.
LOu
Posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2004, at 21:39:04
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules, posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 12:56:26
> >
> Well, I don't know what happens when when we post. I guess I had the fantasy of a big board in a big room flashing lights or buzzers each time some miscreant attempted a post after he/she screwed up the first time. > >I absolutely love this image. Hear the sirens, the admin's scramble into action. I love it!
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2004, at 21:43:06
In reply to In the past, posted by Dinah on December 5, 2004, at 16:12:29
Just to add a personal note to Dinah's context...there was once a subject line that used my name and an expletive. It was quite hurtful to keep seeing that. (Please note, I have respect for the person who made the post, it was a bad time for that poster, I assume.) At any rate, Dr. Bob declined to remove it.
What was nice to see was my fellow Babblers join together to get the board to archive as soon as possible to make it go out of sight. I really appreciated that.
Thanks for initiating it, Dinah.
gg
Posted by verne on December 5, 2004, at 23:53:30
In reply to Re: In the past, posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2004, at 21:43:06
I know that Dinah has always been supportive. My quibble is with the message not the messenger.
Dinah has, bar none, more insight into Babblioglyphics than anyone.
I'm one of Dinah's biggest fans.
venre
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 6, 2004, at 0:18:10
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » alesta, posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 6:02:03
> can't his/her registration jingle or something?
> I guess I had the fantasy of a big board in a big room flashing lights or buzzers each time some miscreant attempted a post after he/she screwed up the first time.
That would work better, but two pieces are missing:
1. automated jingles and
2. someone sitting in a big room waiting for them.> I was thinking of titles to a thread, and censorship, something I'm totally p.c. against, came to mind.
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> rainySorry, I'm not sure what you mean, "totally p.c. against". Deleting is censoring, right?
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> Imagine a police department allowing crime, reasoning that this is part of the real world and people need to be more aware of it.
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> verneThe issue being discussed wasn't whether to allow crime, but whether to cover it up...
Bob
Posted by Dinah on December 6, 2004, at 2:20:03
In reply to Re: In the past » gardenergirl, posted by verne on December 5, 2004, at 23:53:30
>Babblioglyphics
lol. I love it. :)
I'm glad my numerous hours following Dr. Bob's admin processes have not been wasted. ;)
Posted by Dinah on December 6, 2004, at 2:21:07
In reply to Re: In the past, posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2004, at 21:43:06
In the future under the three post rule, it would be harder. But I think it's still do-able. And well worth doing.
Posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 4:05:35
In reply to Lou's response to alesta's post-fHMpst » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on December 5, 2004, at 19:28:01
> > alesta,
> > You wrote,[...where he calls someone an "idiot"....].
> > Is there a post by Herman Munster that uses that word, or is this in referrence to another poster where the word is used toward someone?
> > Lou
> >
> Alesta,
> I found the post by Herman Munster.
> LOucool deal, lou. this post really upset me, and i feel deeply for the person it was directed to.
amy :)
Posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 4:11:08
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » alesta, posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 14:37:16
just wanted to warn you, especially since you're such a nice person, to be very careful on this board or avoid it entirely. people have occasionally been very hurt here. just thought you deserved a warning, sweetie. :-)amy
Posted by rainy on December 6, 2004, at 4:49:35
In reply to Re: Crazymaking admin rules » rainy, posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 4:11:08
Think I'm getting the picture, Amy. Thanks.
rainy
Posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 5:37:34
In reply to to doctor Bob, posted by rainy on December 5, 2004, at 14:48:17
<I don't understand the policy of letting what appear to be hurtful or significantly inappropriate posts sitting there for all to review days (or minutes) after they have been detected.
Dr. Bob, i now see that this was brought up before. for good reason.
if someone *humilitated* me in the worst way, i'd want that post off the board, out of simple respect and human decency. you are letting munster continue his humiliation by keeping his posts on the board!
amy
Posted by alexandra_k on December 8, 2004, at 13:07:14
In reply to Dr. Bob, your response?, posted by alesta on December 6, 2004, at 5:37:34
I guess that (one of the) troubles with deleting posts is that they make perfectly civil ones (like this one) un-understandable becuase once they are deleted then nobody will know what it is that we are going on about.
I do feel for people who the posts may be directed to. I wouldn't like it either, but I think I get the rationale behind leaving them.
It is a reality that that kind of thing can happen and that it does sometimes. Not even babble is perfect.
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