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Posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 13:28:03
Lou,
Perhaps you've already explained this and if so, I apologize for not reading everything on Admin. Can you explain why you request a determiniation of civility on so many posts? Or maybe, more importantly, why you have selected this particular forum to monitor so closely? Do you feel Dr. Bob can not monitor the boards himself? Do you feel he is doing a poor job of it and needs some assistance?
Also, Dinah is the kindest and most civil poster I've seen here and she was really trying to support you on this board. I'm disappointed that you requested she not post to you. Do you want two-way communication between you and anyone other than Dr. Bob?
Just wondering and hoping this is not (but sadly assuming it is) my last post to you.
Laurie
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 13:50:56
In reply to Lou - a couple of things, posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 13:28:03
All Done,
You wrote,[...hoping this is not my last post to you...]. I hope that it is not also.
You wrote, [...can you explain why you request a determination of civility...?].
Let me offer some clarification about that. Let us look at what I write in these instances.
[...I am requesting that you make a determination as to if the following is acceptable or not in relation to the guidlines of the forum...].
The guidlines of the forum include determining civility questions, but I believe that it is much more than that.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 14:31:41
In reply to Lou's reply to All Done » All Done, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 13:50:56
All Done,
My requests are for a reply as to being acceptaable or not. I am not looking to see if someone is to be sanctioned in some way.
The reply then could have an effect on all the posters here, not just me, for I am requesting a determination as to if something is acceptable or not. Either way the determination is answered, there could be the potential for more understanding in relation to the guidlines of the forum, and I believe that a more supportive climate could come from that.
Lou
Posted by mcp on October 28, 2004, at 14:32:13
In reply to Lou's reply to All Done » All Done, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 13:50:56
Keep it up Lou. This board wouldn't be the same without you. You discerning eye will finally expunge the filth from this board
> All Done,
> You wrote,[...hoping this is not my last post to you...]. I hope that it is not also.
> You wrote, [...can you explain why you request a determination of civility...?].
> Let me offer some clarification about that. Let us look at what I write in these instances.
> [...I am requesting that you make a determination as to if the following is acceptable or not in relation to the guidlines of the forum...].
> The guidlines of the forum include determining civility questions, but I believe that it is much more than that.
> Lou
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 14:48:09
In reply to You're the king Lou, posted by mcp on October 28, 2004, at 14:32:13
mcp,
You wrote,[...expunge the filth from this board...].
Could you clarify if the {filth} is any of the following?
A. vitriolic refferences
B. sexual content in posts
C. "toilet" talk
D. posts that have the potential to arrouse antisemitic,(or other anti) feelings
E. a combination of the above
F. none of the above
G. something else
Lou
Posted by pegasus on October 28, 2004, at 15:00:44
In reply to Lou's reply to All Done-mmtt, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 14:31:41
With all due respect, I do not see what has developed here in response to your frequent requests to be "more supportive". It seems that many people, instead, feel accused. If support is your goal, then you may want to consider a different approach. I would be happy to make suggestions, if you are interested. And others have also provided some in earlier posts.
Also, you are the only poster who seems concerned about clarifying the guidelines of these boards to this unusually detailed degree. Unless mcp was being sincere, in which case that would be the first poster that I've noticed supporting your approach.
Of course, your approach seems to be allowed according to the guidelines. So if you are finding some benefit from it, then I assume it will continue to be allowed. But I don't have the impression that on balance it is providing benefit to the rest of the babble community. So, perhaps you may want to evaluate whether the benefit you are personally receiving is enough for you to feel comfortable continuing this.
pegasus
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 15:18:19
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to All Done-mmtt » Lou Pilder, posted by pegasus on October 28, 2004, at 15:00:44
pegasus,
Please do not post to me.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041027/msgs/408433.html
Posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 15:25:10
In reply to Lou's reply to All Done-mmtt, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 14:31:41
> All Done,
> My requests are for a reply as to being acceptaable or not. I am not looking to see if someone is to be sanctioned in some way.
> The reply then could have an effect on all the posters here, not just me, for I am requesting a determination as to if something is acceptable or not. Either way the determination is answered, there could be the potential for more understanding in relation to the guidlines of the forum, and I believe that a more supportive climate could come from that.
> LouHey there Lou,
But doesn't Dr. Bob already review the posts when he reads them? Since Dr. Bob is the moderator of this site, when I see that he has visited the board and perhaps already PBC'd other posts, I assume he has reviewed the other posts for acceptability (or to use Dr. Bob's terminology - civility). You don't?
Laurie
Posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 15:26:09
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to All Done-mmtt, posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 15:25:10
Posted by partlycloudy on October 28, 2004, at 15:26:32
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to All Done-mmtt » pegasus, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 15:18:19
Oh, pegasus. Another door closed.
Posted by SLS on October 28, 2004, at 15:29:36
In reply to Lou - a couple of things, posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 13:28:03
> Perhaps you've already explained this and if so, I apologize for not reading everything on Admin. Can you explain why you request a determiniation of civility on so many posts? Or maybe, more importantly, why you have selected this particular forum to monitor so closely? Do you feel Dr. Bob can not monitor the boards himself? Do you feel he is doing a poor job of it and needs some assistance?
This was a wonderful and simple approach to ask Lou for a clarification as to what are his intents.
After reading his responses to you, I think I have a better understanding of his mechanistic approach to try to improve these boards in a fashion that he believes will come about inevitably should the mechanism continue to run. His motives seem laudable enough. Of course, I can only guess at these since I can't post to him directly.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 15:46:14
In reply to Lou - a couple of things, posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 13:28:03
Friends,
One of the things that I would like to clarify here about the topic in question is that I believe that me and Dr. Hsiung agree on more than we disagree.
I belive that we have both studied a lot of common thingsand can communicate with each other very well. One of things in common is a study of what is called the fallicies of relevance.
One of those fallicies is called the fallicy of[...ad hominem..]. I am offering any one interested to look at the contents of the following linkand then, perhaps, you may have a better understanding of some of the issues here now.
Lou
One can click on the link to get a broad explanation and then click on the link on the left at the bottom of the page for more.
http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom.html
Posted by SLS on October 28, 2004, at 15:54:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to All Done-mmtt, posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 15:25:10
I think another key question that could be asked of Lou is what is his mission - what would he like to see happen here? What is his goal? In other words, what is the final state of Psycho-Babble to be if his objectives are attained?
- Scott
Posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 15:57:54
In reply to Re: Lou - a couple of things » All Done, posted by SLS on October 28, 2004, at 15:29:36
> This was a wonderful and simple approach to ask Lou for a clarification as to what are his intents.
That's me - wonderful and simple ;).
> After reading his responses to you, I think I have a better understanding of his mechanistic approach to try to improve these boards in a fashion that he believes will come about inevitably should the mechanism continue to run. His motives seem laudable enough. Of course, I can only guess at these since I can't post to him directly.
>
> - ScottThanks, Scott. I just want to understand, too. IMO, maybe if we understand more there won't be quite as much much controversy?
Maybe Lou will decide to lift his ban to you someday?
Laurie
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 15:59:28
In reply to Lou offers some clarification, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 15:46:14
friends,
The corrected link is;
http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/adhom.html
Lou
Posted by SLS on October 29, 2004, at 7:19:08
In reply to Re: Lou - a couple of things » SLS, posted by All Done on October 28, 2004, at 15:57:54
Hi Laurie.
> > I think another key question that could be asked of Lou is what is his mission - what would he like to see happen here? What is his goal? In other words, what is the final state of Psycho-Babble to be if his objectives are attained?
> Maybe Lou will decide to lift his ban to you someday?
Maybe. He can be quite persistent.
I could be wrong, but Lou might be attemting to create a perfect Utopian society here. Again, this is laudable, but I question whether or not this can be accomplished. I would like to know what exactly is the Utopia that Lou would like to create. If the board were to work perfectly, what does he envisage this to be? Maybe you could ask him for me?
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by All Done on October 29, 2004, at 8:37:47
In reply to Re: Lou - a couple of things » All Done, posted by SLS on October 29, 2004, at 7:19:08
> Maybe you could ask him for me?
I most certainly can, Scott. I almost did yesterday but well...didn't. Sorry. Here it goes.Hope you're having a nice day today :).
Laurie
Posted by All Done on October 29, 2004, at 8:42:43
In reply to Re: Lou offers some clarification-corected link, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 15:59:28
Hi Lou!
May I ask a few things? What would you like to see happen here? What is your goal? In other words, what is the final state of Psycho-Babble to be if your objectives are attained? If the board were to work perfectly, what do you envisage this to be?
Oh, and one more thing...would you ever consider lifting your ban of someone not posting to you?
Have a very good day, Lou :)!
Laurie
Posted by All Done on October 29, 2004, at 9:13:00
In reply to Hey Lou - It's me again :) » Lou Pilder, posted by All Done on October 29, 2004, at 8:42:43
I should have put this question in a separate message to you, Lou.
Would you ever consider lifting your ban of someone not posting to you?
Laurie
Posted by Jai Narayan on October 29, 2004, at 14:06:53
In reply to Re: Lou offers some clarification-corected link, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2004, at 15:59:28
Lou, that was very interesting. thanks
Jai
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2004, at 14:11:39
In reply to Re: Lou offers some clarification-corected link, posted by Jai Narayan on October 29, 2004, at 14:06:53
J N,
Did you take the quiz?
Lou
Posted by Jai Narayan on October 29, 2004, at 18:12:04
In reply to Re: Lou offers some clarification-corected link » Jai Narayan, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2004, at 14:11:39
Yup...I did.
Posted by pegasus on October 30, 2004, at 0:20:38
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to All Done-mmtt, posted by partlycloudy on October 28, 2004, at 15:26:32
Thanks PC. I'm not surprised, though. I was expecting it. From what I can gather, Lou must have felt that I was making an ad hominem argument. Although, I would disagree with that. I was directly addressing his own comments about his motivations and whether his behavior was actually positively addressing those motivations. Not anything about his person, other than the things that he himself presented.
But that's fine. If someone doesn't want to discuss their effect on other people, they shouldn't have to.
pegasus
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 30, 2004, at 6:40:08
In reply to You're the king Lou, posted by mcp on October 28, 2004, at 14:32:13
> You discerning eye will finally expunge the filth from this board
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2004, at 21:55:48
In reply to Re: Lou offers some clarification-corected link, posted by Jai Narayan on October 29, 2004, at 18:12:04
Friends,
I am offering you to examine the Fallacies of Relevance in continuation of the argument "Against the Man" in relation to perhaps giving clarification to some of the questions asked of me.
Lou
http://www.philosophypages.com/1g/e06a.htm
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