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Posted by AuntieMel on October 21, 2004, at 11:48:24
In reply to Excluding others from discussion, posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 11:37:43
Poor choice of words. Change "humanity" to "common decency" and you'll get my point.
Posted by partlycloudy on October 21, 2004, at 11:54:28
In reply to Excluding others from discussion, posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 11:37:43
Posted by partlycloudy on October 21, 2004, at 11:56:03
In reply to Er, I take it that's a no (nm) » Mary_Bowers, posted by partlycloudy on October 21, 2004, at 11:54:28
Posted by AuntieMel on October 21, 2004, at 11:59:23
In reply to Er, I take it that's a no (nm) » Mary_Bowers, posted by partlycloudy on October 21, 2004, at 11:54:28
Please let me......
Posted by AdaGrace on October 21, 2004, at 11:59:32
In reply to Paranoid? Doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. (nm), posted by mattw84 on October 20, 2004, at 23:50:16
<<Paranoid? Doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.>>
What message are you trying to convey here Matt?
Can I assume you meant to say "Doesn't mean they ARE out to get you"?
If not, what your message seems to be saying to me is that you think we (psycho-babble posters) should be paranoid, or you would like us to be paranoid. If that is the case I would request that Dr. Bob give you a "please be civil" warning due to the fact that I feel put down and somewhat disturbed by this statement.
I find it interesting that you have yet to let us know what relationship you think there is between Munchausen's Syndrom and the occult. I am also intrigued that you have not disclosed what has brought you to the conclusion that you feel there are "several" posters at this website who have Munchausen's Syndrom. Woudn't that be a presumptuous diagnosis, seeing that you are in college, and do not appear to be a doctor of any sort (as of yet, perhaps)?
It is also interesting that you have not responded to Dr. Bob's request either. Seems that by not answering, you are conveying that you have already made your choice.
Matt, can I assume by your name that you were born in 1984? If so, that would make you aproximately 20 years old. Am I correct? If so, I wonder what your age might say about your personality, thoughts, and feelings. Could it be that being young and somewhat inexperienced at life might be making you less understanding of others?
Please feel free to respond here. There should be no concern on your part that what you say may be used for a project in college classroom.
Matt, in case you were wondering......that was sarcasm dripping from my fingers as I typed that last paragraph. I am sure that many posters here have better things to do with their time than take what someone has posted and use it for their own benefit or to hurt others.
Enjoy your day,
AdaGrace
Posted by AuntieMel on October 21, 2004, at 12:01:31
In reply to Re: Munchausen by Internet » Mark H., posted by Toph on October 20, 2004, at 22:58:41
I'm not a recovering psych patient.
I can't see one whit that I've experienced any recovery.
Posted by mattw84 on October 21, 2004, at 13:17:32
In reply to Re: Paranoid? Doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. » mattw84, posted by AdaGrace on October 21, 2004, at 11:59:32
Sincerely so, I apologize for the turmoil this topic has created.
Munchausen's has nothing to do with the occult, my intent was only for its use as an example of "critical thinking" and evaluation of statements. Most people are researching the same old stuff for their term papers; like water dowsing, roswell, etc... The purpose of the paper is to research and evaluate the validity of any topic and it's supporting details. Not wanting to follow the herd and write a paper about ghosts or black holes, I sought out to find a poster to use as an example of inconsistency and by which could use to illustrate evaluation and analysis of what had been presented. Apparently everyone here fears that they were that person, hence my sarcastic remark. Apologies.
I hope this answers some, if any of your questions for me. I found this site for the same reason everyone else did, to seek a common peer community to share one-anothers knowledge of mental illness. I am not here to examine posts made, and would much rather just let this topic die. I have plenty of time, as well as other ideas as to topics for my philosophy paper.
Again, I apologize to all whom I have offended or caused any undue worry. My sarcastic remark was blatently insensitive, and as AdaGrace pointed out -- I am only 20 and somewhat inexperienced at life might be less understanding of others. I have made many mistakes previously, and certainly will make many more in the future; Sorry it had to be at the expense of my fellow babblers.
Matt
Posted by karen_kay on October 21, 2004, at 13:31:56
In reply to Q's about restrictions for Dr. Hsiung, posted by mattw84 on October 18, 2004, at 22:59:08
hey there cowboy! i understand how hard it is to find interesting subjects (topics, not people) for class requirements. i'm fairly certain i do not have this condition that you mentioned, however if there is anything that i can do to help you with your assignment, please don't hesitate to let me know.
i honestly appreciate the fact that you are very upfront about possibly using this forum for educational purposes and even asking permission to do so. thank you for that.
again, if there is anything i can do to help you, please let me know. i've been in situations before with school projects where i've needed some help and i sincerely appreciate the people who've helped me. i'd love to return the favor. i almost think it's a shame more people here aren't willing to help.
if you like, you can research my old posts and feel free to print, use, abuse or simply laugh at me, my posts or my condition (i'm not being sarcastic, sometimes i'm so crazy i just have to laugh.). but!! be aware, there was a time i was posting everyday, numerous times each day.
so, if there's anything i can do to help you out, let me know, ok?
and my email is karen_kay12 at yahoo.com feel free to get ahold of me.
good luck on your project and i really hope i can help you.
take care dear,
kk
Posted by partlycloudy on October 21, 2004, at 13:51:34
In reply to Re: Got your back » partlycloudy, posted by AuntieMel on October 21, 2004, at 11:59:23
Posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 13:56:48
In reply to This is getting out of hand.... apologies all., posted by mattw84 on October 21, 2004, at 13:17:32
> My sarcastic remark was blatently insensitive, and as AdaGrace pointed out -- I am only 20 and somewhat inexperienced at life might be less understanding of others.
But your sarcasm seemed to express a profound understanding of dynamics that can effect groups such as this. Your young age might correlate with developing linquistic skills that dont yet always express your profound understanding in a way that is sensitive to the understanding of others.
Posted by AdaGrace on October 21, 2004, at 14:16:34
In reply to This is getting out of hand.... apologies all., posted by mattw84 on October 21, 2004, at 13:17:32
Seriously So.
And I in no way meant to belittle you in regards to your age. What I wouldn't give to be 20 again and know what I know now.
By the way, I didn't think you meant me in regards to the Munchausen thing. Not all negative responses were from people who feared you were talking about them.....hence my comment in regards to the paranoid issue. It just seemed to me that you were being flippant about the whole thing and while it is true that whatever is out there on the internet is pretty much free game to one and all, it was a tad disturbing to think me or anyone would be a subject for scrutiny in a college classroom setting. Even though I am nowhere near Portland, the thought didn't set in my craw very well.
I do wish you good luck on your paper. Sorry the issue causes so much turmoil here. I sorta like this place actually, the refreshments are nice.
Posted by AdaGrace on October 21, 2004, at 14:24:04
In reply to Re: This is getting out of hand.... apologies all. » mattw84, posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 13:56:48
You agree that we are "paranoid", and Matt, because of his young age didn't know how to say it sensitively enough? Am I correct in that assumption?
By his own admition, Matt said the remark was sarcastic. By that, I take it he didn't mean it.......
Perhaps you could provide us with some information in regards to the word "sarcastic", it's origin, and any and all links you might be able to find on this website from former posters in regards to this issue.
Let me help you, I made a reference to my own sarcasm in a previous post in this thread. Being relatively new here, I am not yet sure how to link to a previous post, perhaps you can help me out here.
Best Regards,
AdaGrace
Posted by partlycloudy on October 21, 2004, at 14:24:06
In reply to Re: This is getting out of hand.... apologies all. » mattw84, posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 13:56:48
...to convey your ideas with so many words?
My brain is not up to this reading level, and I get all confused trying to understand your posts.What on earth are you doing here??? Please answer me - in plain English, like you'd see in USA Today, you know, 4th grade level stuff. I beg you. Short sentences.
Posted by AuntieMel on October 21, 2004, at 14:41:17
In reply to Re: This is getting out of hand.... apologies all. » mattw84, posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 13:56:48
Yes, sarcasm can affect those in a group like this. But not near as much as the perceived threat of litigation shutting it down.
We all do need each other, you know.
Posted by AuntieMel on October 21, 2004, at 14:42:31
In reply to Re: This is getting out of hand.... apologies all., posted by AuntieMel on October 21, 2004, at 14:41:17
Posted by Toph on October 21, 2004, at 14:56:22
In reply to This is getting out of hand.... apologies all., posted by mattw84 on October 21, 2004, at 13:17:32
I still say my dog would have made a good subject.
I also regret some things I said, your intro, "in a few short weeks I have come to recognize numerous individuals who would appear to be suffering from MÜNCHAUSEN'S SYNDROME..." was what put me into wolf mode. I hope your paper works out.
BTW, when I was 20, I'm afraid munchies meant something else entirely to me.
-Toph
Posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 17:59:24
In reply to Re: In other words Mary » Mary_Bowers, posted by AdaGrace on October 21, 2004, at 14:24:04
> You agree that we are "paranoid", and Matt, because of his young age didn't know how to say it sensitively enough? Am I correct in that assumption?
>
I don't know what basis one has for concluding I presume the group to be paranoid. I addressed a post to Matt that suggested his appreciation of the role of a diagnosed mental disorder in group dynamics here could be more profound than mere sarcasm. Robert Hsiung and a few others discussed the role of group flight or fight syndromes in a context such as this. My thinking more likely follows that line of reasoning.>
> Perhaps you could provide us with some information in regards to the word "sarcastic", it's origin, and any and all links you might be able to find on this website from former posters in regards to this issue.As I appreciate the rules, it would not be permitted to classify others' posts as "Sarcastic" because that could lead them to feel accused or put down. Surely you wouldn't encourage me to pursue a line of discussion after you realize it might unacceptable in this context, as I now suggest a review of "sarcastic" posts might turn out to be. In this thread, Matt described his own behavior as sarcastic, so it seems appropriate to acknowledge his point of view about his own message before offering a suggestion that some elements of his analysis may be more profound than mere sarcasm.
By my count, I've donated three hours of my time today assisting some members of this group. How would it benefit myself or anyone else to do research that appeals primarily to your interest in the term "sarcasm"? Is there a reason you cannot conduct this research yourself?
> Let me help you, I made a reference to my own sarcasm in a previous post in this thread. Being relatively new here, I am not yet sure how to link to a previous post, perhaps you can help me out here.
I have been pasting URLs directly into posts and they appear as hyperlinks thanks to the PERL software that facilitates operation of this site. For example, we can link your post here simply by copying (Control + C on a PC keyboard) the URL from the address line at the top of a browser window and pasting (Control + V on a PC) it into the message we are composing:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/405519.htmlThere is a way to hide the URL behind words, causing the words to appear as a link, but I have not spent time sorting that, and directly posted URL's might easier to deal with if they get "broken".
Posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 18:01:38
In reply to Re: This is getting out of hand.... apologies all., posted by AuntieMel on October 21, 2004, at 14:41:17
> We all do need each other, you know.
You can more accurately comment on what you know than about what I know.
Posted by AdaGrace on October 21, 2004, at 23:38:00
In reply to Re: In other words Mary, posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 17:59:24
My post in itself was sarcastic, the fact that you could not arrive at that conclusion from reading it mearly concludes my own assumptions.
Thanks Ever So Much Mary and Please do Have a Nice Day.
AdaGrace
Posted by saw on October 22, 2004, at 3:32:23
In reply to Re: In other words Mary, posted by Mary_Bowers on October 21, 2004, at 17:59:24
Mary wants to Control + C and Control + V you.
<<(Control + C on a PC keyboard) the URL from the address line at the top of a browser window and pasting (Control + V on a PC) it into the message we are composing:
Posted by saw on October 22, 2004, at 3:37:09
In reply to Re: Ahhh But Mary » Mary_Bowers, posted by AdaGrace on October 21, 2004, at 23:38:00
that Mary return to her own thread that she started and leave the others alone. Or is that out of line?
Posted by Mary_Bowers on October 22, 2004, at 12:07:07
In reply to Respectfully requesting, posted by saw on October 22, 2004, at 3:37:09
> that Mary return to her own thread that she started and leave the others alone. Or is that out of line?
I don't own any threads in this discussion. Do you?
Posted by Fi on October 22, 2004, at 15:46:51
In reply to Q's about restrictions for Dr. Hsiung, posted by mattw84 on October 18, 2004, at 22:59:08
Its pretty sweeping to diagnosis some of us as having MÜNCHAUSEN'S SYNDROME. I hope you arent doing a psychology/medical course!
Apart from the fact I disagree anyway, this is way,way beyond what is even possible to 'diagnose' solely on the basis of posts. As well as this being an emotionally loaded way of labelling people (we are making up our symptoms as a form of attention seeking, cos we want the attention of health profs?! If only!!!!)
Your post also doesn't seem to recognise how dismissive/insulting such a statement can be.
I'm OK as I am clear that you dont have the actual expertise or information to actually make such a diagnosis. And I know I dont have it! But I do find it irritating.
I am relieved that Dr Bob has the copyright clarity. I would find it offensive to parts of my posts quoted in someone's project that had the problems as listed above.
I hope that your study is productive, getting its data elsewhere. I'm not having a go at you- just giving some feedback about crossing boundaries on what you can/should do.
Fi
Posted by Mark H. on October 22, 2004, at 16:14:47
In reply to This is getting out of hand.... apologies all., posted by mattw84 on October 21, 2004, at 13:17:32
Dear Matt,
Thank you for apologizing. I respect you for publicly admitting your mistakes.
I think this discussion helped many of us to clarify our values with regards to posting private information in a public forum. For me, the benefits of participation outweigh the risks. Hopefully we'll all move forward more consciously.
Good luck with your paper on critical thinking, and in the meantime, welcome to Babble.
Sincerely,
Mark H.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2004, at 4:58:25
In reply to Respectfully requesting, posted by saw on October 22, 2004, at 3:37:09
> it is awfully rude of you.
>
> partlycloudyPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
> Respectfully requesting
> that Mary return to her own thread that she started and leave the others alone. Or is that out of line?
>
> sawWell, it isn't exactly supportive...
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
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