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Posted by Patient on August 2, 2003, at 17:25:25
Hi,
I'm addressing the following from Psycho-Babble:
Posted by john Henry on August 1, 2003, at 19:22:05
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks » ace, posted by Dr. Bob on August 1, 2003, at 17:36:32
> > Man, my study will kick *ss...
----I don't see how anyone in this world would take offense to this.That word is used on t.v. and is heard all the
time.Even if you watch MTV,songs will say *sshole, they say the *ss word and bleep out the hole part.Even in the
context it was used is not directed towards anyone.It's obvious ACE is excited and it a good poster.To ban him for
4 weeks is outrageous.The word can be found in the dictionary.Dr.Bob,you really need to lighten up a little,why
dont you come up with a list of words we can and can't say? I mean is poop o.k.? If I said...This world is full of
poop,is that o.k.? and if so why or why not?
To say his studies will kick booty,butt,keester,caboose.Is that offensive? Whats the difference? How about take a
poll and see who was offened by this statement?
4 weeks for this is an injustice to Ace,his friends and the board in general,who benefitied from his nardil
knowledge.> I've asked you before not to use language here that could offend others, so I'm going to block you from posting
again. Last time it was for 2 weeks, so this time it's for 4.
>
> BobI think Dr. Bob's decision to block Ace for 4 weeks is fair because Dr. Bob has already stated the rules for posting, and it would be inconsistent of him if he started to change those rules, which would result in confusion and a loss of respect.
We must remember that Americans are not the only ones that come to this site; maybe they do not receive the same type of entertainment as we do in America, with all of it's use of inappropriate words. And, just because a word is used commonly today without offense, it may offend someone that is older, which for them such words were considered offensive. I guess I'm part of that age group, or at least that is how I was raised. And I'm only in my late 30's.
I think we must remember that there are peoples from all walks of life that come to this sight, and we must not make generalisations concerning what we think may or may not be acceptable language to them. It is always better to be on safe side, so as not to offend. It doesn't matter whether I use a certain curse word, which I do when I lose my temper. It doesn't matter whether the networks have started to allow the use of certain words that at one time-if not in the past 10 years-were censored. Since when do we allow the media and entertainment industry to tell us what is and what isn't acceptable or appropriate. If they had their way, I would get rid of our television.
I don't think Ace was referring to a donkey. Four weeks isn't that long, it's not forever, and he can still read the posts.
For me, whenever I see the following *#&! used in place of letters, it usually always offends me, just like hearing someone use cursive words when they carry a conversation-it can cut like a knife. It may not to others, but it does to me. We can't always know what is unacceptable to others. We use "Geez" instead of "Jesus". For some, both words are considered offensive language. The following: "Man, my study will kick *ss..." could offend someone that has been beaten or physically abused. You never know. I have been to many other message boards where there was no board monitor, and it can get pretty ugly and shocking. My two cents.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 3:30:29
In reply to Being civil, use of offensive language, posted by Patient on August 2, 2003, at 17:25:25
Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!
Posted by john Henry on August 1, 2003, at 19:22:05
In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030728/msgs/247446.html
> > Man, my study will kick *ss...
----I don't see how anyone in this world would take offense to this.That word is used on t.v. and is heard all the time.Even if you watch MTV,songs will say *sshole, they say the *ss word and bleep out the hole part.Even in the context it was used is not directed towards anyone.It's obvious ACE is excited and it a good poster.To ban him for 4 weeks is outrageous.The word can be found in the dictionary.Dr.Bob,you really need to lighten up a little,why dont you come up with a list of words we can and can't say? I mean is poop o.k.? If I said...This world is full of poop,is that o.k.? and if so why or why not?
To say his studies will kick booty,butt,keester,caboose.Is that offensive? Whats the difference? How about take a poll and see who was offened by this statement?
4 weeks for this is an injustice to Ace,his friends and the board in general,who benefitied from his nardil knowledge.> I've asked you before not to use language here that could offend others, so I'm going to block you from posting again. Last time it was for 2 weeks, so this time it's for 4.
>
> Bob
>
> PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.--
Posted by cubbybear on August 2, 2003, at 6:43:39
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by john Henry on August 1, 2003, at 19:22:05
I'm a regular reader/poster on this board and I think I'll put my two cents in on this one. Believe it or not, politically I'm quite liberal but as an English teacher, I also consider myself a very conservative grammar cop. That means I don't hesitate to point out incorrect or inappropriate usage of certain words. I use plenty of four letter words myself when angry. On the other hand--you asked about others' opinions-- I happen to detest that expression that got Dr. Bob's hackles up. I'm not offended by it, but I think it's stupid and I wish people would stop using it. I do agree with you that being blocked for four weeks is quite harsh.
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » john Henry » cubbybear
Posted by john Henry on August 2, 2003, at 10:26:02
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » john Henry, posted by cubbybear on August 2, 2003, at 6:43:39
Cubby,
I understand....But I guess I am upset about the length of punishment.Ace is a very emotional poster and was just excited and probably didn't think twice before sending the message.I understand ,the do the crime do the time thing,but I just think the sentencing was a bit too much for such a small offensive.I ask of Dr Bob to reconsider the length of suspension.How about 2 weeks???--
Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 2, 2003, at 12:51:19
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » john Henry » cubbybear, posted by john Henry on August 2, 2003, at 10:26:02
I also agree that four weeks is a bit much, but the thing is if we change the rules for one person, then everything is going to go crazy. As it stands right now, the guidelines are that length of blocking is doubled with each offense, and he was blocked two weeks last time. (And, he *was* asked repeatedly not to use language that could be construed as offensive.)
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!
Posted by craig getty on August 2, 2003, at 15:23:19
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » john Henry, posted by cubbybear on August 2, 2003, at 6:43:39
Okay, I'm learning enough about this sight to smell a redirect coming - but here goes...
I sincerely don't mean any disrespect to Bob, any poster on this site, or any other soul on this planet - but can we get real! As I assume that everyone posting on this site is old enough to read, I find Ace's FOUR WEEK posting ban for using the "ssa backwards" word to be Kafkaesque (and I must be passionate about this because I hate the word "Kafkaesque" and normally slap myself in the head when I use it...Ouch!)
As J.H. said, the three letter word in question is all over the place - forget music because i grant you that a lot of today's lyrics have gone way and far beyond the dignity of sensitive ears. Compared to the content on many pop cd's, the offensive butt-meaning word that Ace used is as squeaky clean as a prayer. But how about prime time t.v., classic literature, movies (and I refer to PG rated, not just XXX). Hey, Ace's awful word is all over the Bible - I remember reading it aloud in religious school in 4th grade while the rest of the class snickered.
Ace's foul term for the nether region is in the dictionary, too, with non-obscene definitions. And even if it wasn't, I - being the son of teachers and free thinkers - have to say it's dangerous to start punishing people for the "wrong" use of words. Has anyone ordered Freedom Fries lately?
You want to ban four letter words from this site - that I can understand. But the synonym for posterior that is in question here is all over so many great novels. Incidentally, so is "wrong" grammar. Where would we be if the grammar cops won out over Joyce, Vonnegut, Wilde, the entire Beat Movement, etc., etc., etc., etc.
This whole ridiculous argument makes me thankful that I'm on antidepressants.
I propose that this site stay focused on the what I believe is its stated/intended purpose - to provide a common ground and exchange of open communication for people who are on, were on, are considering being on, or who just want to learn more about medication used to treat depression, anxiety, etc. and the conditions that lead to the need for this treatment.
So, my concluding thought regarding Ace's excessive Kafkaesque (OUCH!) FOUR WEEK BAN is something that everyone should please say aloud as you read it: "ORWELLIAN."
I'm not sure, but I think it's in the dictionary.
CG
> I'm a regular reader/poster on this board and I think I'll put my two cents in on this one. Believe it or not, politically I'm quite liberal but as an English teacher, I also consider myself a very conservative grammar cop. That means I don't hesitate to point out incorrect or inappropriate usage of certain words. I use plenty of four letter words myself when angry. On the other hand--you asked about others' opinions-- I happen to detest that expression that got Dr. Bob's hackles up. I'm not offended by it, but I think it's stupid and I wish people would stop using it. I do agree with you that being blocked for four weeks is quite harsh.
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 2, 2003, at 17:17:54
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by craig getty on August 2, 2003, at 15:23:19
In my opinion, it all boils down to this post by Ace:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030429/msgs/223746.html
And the resulting PBC:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030429/msgs/224223.html
Ace used the same word he used that got him blocked this time, and was warned about using that particular word. If anyone had a problem with that particular policy, something should have been said *then*. The point is, he has been warned about this exact same thing before, and no one contested it.
Ace, you're a cool guy and I'm sorry you got blocked -- I hope you understand I'm just posting this as administrative example. :-)
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!
Posted by stjames on August 2, 2003, at 19:13:28
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by craig getty on August 2, 2003, at 15:23:19
FOUR WEEK BAN
Please read the rules of this site.
Each time you are blocked it doubles.--
Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!
Posted by stjames on August 2, 2003, at 20:01:06
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by craig getty on August 2, 2003, at 15:23:19
As J.H. said, the three letter word in question is all over the place - forget music because i grant you that a lot of today's lyrics have gone way and far beyond the dignity of sensitive ears. Compared to the content on many pop cd's, the offensive butt-meaning word that Ace used is as squeaky clean as a prayer. But how about prime time t.v., classic literature, movies (and I refer to PG rated, not just XXX). Hey, Ace's awful word is all over the Bible - I remember reading it aloud in religious school in 4th grade while the rest of the class snickered.
What do any of those have to do this this site, esp. given that Ace used this word b4 and was warned not to ?
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » stjames
Posted by john Henry on August 2, 2003, at 20:57:39
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by stjames on August 2, 2003, at 19:13:28
FOUR WEEK BAN
Please read the rules of this site.
Each time you are blocked it doubles.>>>>You know st.james your right.You are an incredibly smart person.Your post are insightful and genious.I understand where you are coming from.You are a great poster and wish you the best in all your fighting any mood order you might have.You truely are a class act that knows alot about matters.You are a good role model for being a good poster.Thanks for all the contributions!!!!!!!
Take care--
Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » stjames
Posted by john Henry on August 2, 2003, at 21:00:14
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by stjames on August 2, 2003, at 19:13:28
Do you have psychotic-chronic depressive symptoms?
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » john Henry
Posted by john Henry on August 2, 2003, at 21:51:34
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » stjames, posted by john Henry on August 2, 2003, at 21:00:14
St james,out of good faith I have a prayer/mantra for you.If said over and over it supposed to reveal everything about yourself.Hope you figure it out......Here it is
I YAM WE TODD DID
I YAM WE TODD DID
I YAM SOFA KING WE TODD DIDTake care
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » john Henry
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 2, 2003, at 22:17:45
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » john Henry, posted by john Henry on August 2, 2003, at 21:51:34
> St james,out of good faith I have a prayer/mantra for you.If said over and over it supposed to reveal everything about yourself.Hope you figure it out......Here it is
> I YAM WE TODD DID
> I YAM WE TODD DID
> I YAM SOFA KING WE TODD DID
>
>
> Take careThat's pretty offensive. Please restrain yourself.
Lar
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Re: Blocked for one week » john Henry
Posted by Dinah on August 2, 2003, at 22:25:36
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » john Henry, posted by john Henry on August 2, 2003, at 21:51:34
> St james,out of good faith I have a prayer/mantra for you.If said over and over it supposed to reveal everything about yourself.Hope you figure it out......Here it is
> I YAM WE TODD DIDHi. Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob. I see that Dr. Bob has already requested that you be civil, so I am going to block you for one week.
All administrative decisions are, of course, up for review by Dr. Bob. His email address is at the bottom of this page. Although you are blocked, you may email him with any objections.
Dinah
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » john Henry
Posted by Simcha on August 3, 2003, at 0:16:07
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by john Henry on August 1, 2003, at 19:22:05
I agree this is crazy! Insane!
Yet, please remember....
1. Thou shalt not disagree with Dr. Bob
2. If thou shalt disagree with Dr. Bob refer to rule #1
3. If thou dost have a complaint, please read rule #1This board is not a democracy. It's a Machiavellian Grand Duchy. If you don't like it read the rules and remember the temperment of our Leader.
Dearly and With Absolute Love and Civility,
Simcha> > > Man, my study will kick *ss...
>
> ----I don't see how anyone in this world would take offense to this.That word is used on t.v. and is heard all the time.Even if you watch MTV,songs will say *sshole, they say the *ss word and bleep out the hole part.Even in the context it was used is not directed towards anyone.It's obvious ACE is excited and it a good poster.To ban him for 4 weeks is outrageous.The word can be found in the dictionary.Dr.Bob,you really need to lighten up a little,why dont you come up with a list of words we can and can't say? I mean is poop o.k.? If I said...This world is full of poop,is that o.k.? and if so why or why not?
> To say his studies will kick booty,butt,keester,caboose.Is that offensive? Whats the difference? How about take a poll and see who was offened by this statement?
> 4 weeks for this is an injustice to Ace,his friends and the board in general,who benefitied from his nardil knowledge.
>
>
>
> > I've asked you before not to use language here that could offend others, so I'm going to block you from posting again. Last time it was for 2 weeks, so this time it's for 4.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
>
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!
Posted by stjames on August 3, 2003, at 0:57:04
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy! » stjames, posted by john Henry on August 2, 2003, at 20:57:39
Your post are insightful and genious.I understand where you are coming from.You are a great poster and wish you the best in all your fighting any mood order you might have.
I stand behind my 3 or so years of posting on this site.
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i'm confused
Posted by craig getty on August 3, 2003, at 1:41:58
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by stjames on August 3, 2003, at 0:57:04
Last week I sent a message to Dr. Bob asking why he didn't sent out a reminder of the potential dangers to a poster who said they were taking an MAOI combined with an SSRI. He didn't reply - but his loyal followers jumped on me saying things like: that's not his role; people know that already; the poster was well aware of what they were doing; and my point was just the repetition of reactive advice from what must be my *CONSERVATIVE* p-doc.
Meanwhile- how do I know that the poster was aware of the dangers? I, myself, haven't read every post from the last 3 years. Also, some people aren't frequent posters - or are just checking in once or twice for quick advice. I believe Bob has a responsibility to just send out a one sentence reminder, i.e. "This combination is not usually used and could be dangerous. Please confirm this course of action with your p-doc." This will prevent random people from making their own uninformed decision about their medications (let's face it, some people do use left over meds they get from their friends) and also it is a safeguard against someone following the wrong advice of an uninformed GP - they often prescribe antidepressants without knowing what they're doing.
You may ask yourself: "How does the above lengthy discourse relate to Ace's four week scarlet 'B' for using the three letter word for keister?" Well, I say that the whole ban is a sham. Bob's knowledge and expertise should be focused on helping people, not on preserving the virgin vocabulary of the 0.2% of the people who might be offended by the now infamous synonym for tushy.
Dr. Bob - I implore you to use your wisdom and good intentions to protect and educate people - not to show how silly rules can be made to be enforced. Otherwise, are you really fulfilling the role of a professional psychiatrist or just being a web-site administrator? Think of your most brilliant professor in medical school - now think what would have happened if he abandoned the classroom so he could police the university halls ensuring that the wandering students all had hall passes.
> I stand behind my 3 or so years of posting on this site.
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Re: Blocked for one week » Dinah
Posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 7:23:49
In reply to Re: Blocked for one week » john Henry, posted by Dinah on August 2, 2003, at 22:25:36
Dinah,
On what grounds do you have on blocking Mr.Henry? I see no offensive terms or profanity in his statement.> > St james,out of good faith I have a prayer/mantra for you.If said over and over it supposed to reveal everything about yourself.Hope you figure it out......Here it is
> > I YAM WE TODD DID
>
> Hi. Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob. I see that Dr. Bob has already requested that you be civil, so I am going to block you for one week.
>
> All administrative decisions are, of course, up for review by Dr. Bob. His email address is at the bottom of this page. Although you are blocked, you may email him with any objections.
>
> Dinah
>
> PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.--
Re: i'm confused » craig getty
Posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 7:28:08
In reply to i'm confused, posted by craig getty on August 3, 2003, at 1:41:58
Craig,
Very insightful and excellent post.I think these matters need to be"brought to the table"> Last week I sent a message to Dr. Bob asking why he didn't sent out a reminder of the potential dangers to a poster who said they were taking an MAOI combined with an SSRI. He didn't reply - but his loyal followers jumped on me saying things like: that's not his role; people know that already; the poster was well aware of what they were doing; and my point was just the repetition of reactive advice from what must be my *CONSERVATIVE* p-doc.
>
> Meanwhile- how do I know that the poster was aware of the dangers? I, myself, haven't read every post from the last 3 years. Also, some people aren't frequent posters - or are just checking in once or twice for quick advice. I believe Bob has a responsibility to just send out a one sentence reminder, i.e. "This combination is not usually used and could be dangerous. Please confirm this course of action with your p-doc." This will prevent random people from making their own uninformed decision about their medications (let's face it, some people do use left over meds they get from their friends) and also it is a safeguard against someone following the wrong advice of an uninformed GP - they often prescribe antidepressants without knowing what they're doing.
>
> You may ask yourself: "How does the above lengthy discourse relate to Ace's four week scarlet 'B' for using the three letter word for keister?" Well, I say that the whole ban is a sham. Bob's knowledge and expertise should be focused on helping people, not on preserving the virgin vocabulary of the 0.2% of the people who might be offended by the now infamous synonym for tushy.
>
> Dr. Bob - I implore you to use your wisdom and good intentions to protect and educate people - not to show how silly rules can be made to be enforced. Otherwise, are you really fulfilling the role of a professional psychiatrist or just being a web-site administrator? Think of your most brilliant professor in medical school - now think what would have happened if he abandoned the classroom so he could police the university halls ensuring that the wandering students all had hall passes.
>
>
>
>
> > I stand behind my 3 or so years of posting on this site.
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Re: i'm confused
Posted by SLS on August 3, 2003, at 7:56:39
In reply to Re: i'm confused » craig getty, posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 7:28:08
> Very insightful and excellent post.I think these matters need to be"brought to the table"
I agree that this is an important event and substantive issue. I am wondering, though, if it might not be better addressed on Psycho-Babble Administration.
Here's a link to a thread started by someone else:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030508/msgs/247632.html
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Re: Blocked for one week » Rickson Gracie
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 3, 2003, at 8:18:05
In reply to Re: Blocked for one week » Dinah, posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 7:23:49
> Dinah,
> On what grounds do you have on blocking Mr.Henry? I see no offensive terms or profanity in his statement.Here's what he wrote:
I YAM WE TODD DID
I YAM WE TODD DID
I YAM SOFA KING WE TODD DIDSay it out loud.
I am retarded.
I am retarded.
I am so f***ing retarded.I personally found it very offensive.
Lar
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Reflections on: Blocked for one week
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 3, 2003, at 9:19:40
In reply to Re: Blocked for one week » john Henry, posted by Dinah on August 2, 2003, at 22:25:36
> > St james,out of good faith I have a prayer/mantra for you.If said over and over it supposed to reveal everything about yourself.Hope you figure it out......Here it is
> > I YAM WE TODD DID
>
> Hi. Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob. I see that Dr. Bob has already requested that you be civil, so I am going to block you for one week.
>
> All administrative decisions are, of course, up for review by Dr. Bob. His email address is at the bottom of this page. Although you are blocked, you may email him with any objections.
>
> DinahIf you look at the time stamps on john Henry's posts, there is a couple of hours of deliberation between his initial comments about stjames, and prior to the posting of the "mantra". That is not "heat of passion", but cold and malicious behaviour.
In other environments, it is an option open to me to block certain poster's messages. I need never be troubled again by their postings. However, in this environment, that sort of control is out of my hands. Instead, only a moderator can impose any sort of control.
Given the "malice aforethought", the intentional and egregious violation of civility, I only wish that the duration of the block could be increased beyond the "statutory" one week.
Lar
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Re: i'm confused » craig getty
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 3, 2003, at 9:28:39
In reply to i'm confused, posted by craig getty on August 3, 2003, at 1:41:58
> Last week I sent a message to Dr. Bob asking why he didn't sent out a reminder of the potential dangers to a poster who said they were taking an MAOI combined with an SSRI. He didn't reply - but his loyal followers jumped on me saying things like: that's not his role; people know that already; the poster was well aware of what they were doing; and my point was just the repetition of reactive advice from what must be my *CONSERVATIVE* p-doc.
This isn't "Ask Dr. Bob". The issue is quite clearly spelled out in the FAQ.
> Meanwhile- how do I know that the poster was aware of the dangers?
By speaking up?
>I, myself, haven't read every post from the last 3 years. Also, some people aren't frequent posters - or are just checking in once or twice for quick advice.
Even so, that is not anything in your, or any else's, power to control. They would just as easily miss Dr. Bob's advice (if given), if that were the case.
>I believe Bob has a responsibility to just send out a one sentence reminder, i.e. "This combination is not usually used and could be dangerous. Please confirm this course of action with your p-doc." This will prevent random people from making their own uninformed decision about their medications (let's face it, some people do use left over meds they get from their friends) and also it is a safeguard against someone following the wrong advice of an uninformed GP - they often prescribe antidepressants without knowing what they're doing.
Again, all thoroughly covered in the FAQ.
> You may ask yourself: "How does the above lengthy discourse relate to Ace's four week scarlet 'B' for using the three letter word for keister?" Well, I say that the whole ban is a sham.
The rules are clear, whether arbitrary or not. In this case, that exact word had already resulted in a ban for Ace.
>Bob's knowledge and expertise should be focused on helping people, not on preserving the virgin vocabulary of the 0.2% of the people who might be offended by the now infamous synonym for tushy.
Please refer to the FAQ.
> Dr. Bob - I implore you to use your wisdom and good intentions to protect and educate people - not to show how silly rules can be made to be enforced. Otherwise, are you really fulfilling the role of a professional psychiatrist or just being a web-site administrator?
In this case, the latter. FAQ, again.
> Think of your most brilliant professor in medical school - now think what would have happened if he abandoned the classroom so he could police the university halls ensuring that the wandering students all had hall passes.
Individuals 'wear different hats' at different times. This is one of those different times.
Lar
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Re: Blocked for one week » Larry Hoover
Posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 9:54:00
In reply to Re: Blocked for one week » Rickson Gracie, posted by Larry Hoover on August 3, 2003, at 8:18:05
Mr.Larry,
Isnt that your interpretation of saying the wording? The words are clearly non offensivewe-not offensive
Todd-its a persons name
did-isnt this a verb?What if it is said different,with different pronunciations? In court MR.Henry would be found innocent.He didnt say mr.st james:
I am retarted
I am retarted
I am so f**king retartedHe said:
I yam we todd did.It doesnt matter what it sounds like when you say it,you have to go by the meanings of the words.
As I said your interpretation of the pronunciation might be different than someone elses.In court it would not hold weight.The meaning of the words is what is important.> > Dinah,
> > On what grounds do you have on blocking Mr.Henry? I see no offensive terms or profanity in his statement.
>
> Here's what he wrote:
> I YAM WE TODD DID
> I YAM WE TODD DID
> I YAM SOFA KING WE TODD DID
>
> Say it out loud.
>
> I am retarded.
> I am retarded.
> I am so f***ing retarded.
>
> I personally found it very offensive.
>
> Lar--
Re: blocked for 4 weeks
Posted by djmmm on August 3, 2003, at 10:45:18
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks » ace, posted by Dr. Bob on August 1, 2003, at 17:36:32
> > Man, my study will kick *ss...
>
> I've asked you before not to use language here that could offend others, so I'm going to block you from posting again. Last time it was for 2 weeks, so this time it's for 4.
>
> Bob
>
> PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.lol...ass? is that offensive? c'mon, really? I have read "worse" words here. I think I'm offended that you assume that "ass" offends me...should you be blocked for a week?
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Re: Blocked for one week » Rickson Gracie
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 3, 2003, at 10:55:45
In reply to Re: Blocked for one week » Larry Hoover, posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 9:54:00
>
> Mr.Larry,
> Isnt that your interpretation of saying the wording? The words are clearly non offensiveThe use of the term "mantra", as well is explicit instructions that it is to be "said over and over", argue for a phonetic interpretation, rather than a literal one.
*I* was offended, and I was not the intended target.
> What if it is said different,with different pronunciations? In court MR.Henry would be found innocent.
We're not in court. It clearly is not civil, as defined in the FAQ.
"Please don't be sarcastic, joke about death or suicide, suggest that others harm, or discuss specific ways of harming, themselves or others, jump to conclusions about others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, use language that could offend others..."
The test is "could", not "did, beyond all doubt".
Lar
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Re: Please redirect to the admin board - to all
Posted by Dinah on August 3, 2003, at 10:56:04
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks, posted by djmmm on August 3, 2003, at 10:45:18
Dinah here, acting as Dr. Bob's deputy again. I remind everyone that posts concerning administrative policies should be directed to the Administrative board, otherwise they will be moved, or may even be deleted, by Dr. Bob. Here is a link.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030508/msgs/247632.html
I also remind everyone that quoting the offensive part of a post or using the language that was the cause of the administrative action has, in the past, resulted in administrative action itself. So if Dr. Bob doesn't want the word *ss used on the board, I suggest that anyone wishing to discuss the use of that word use asterisks.
Also, please remember that Dr. Bob accords blocked posters the same protection under the cvility standards as posters who are not currently blocked. So perhaps there are some things that people might wish to email to Dr. Bob (his email address is at the bottom of the page) rather than post on the board. Or if you post, you might want to be extra careful to follow the civility guidelines.
Finally, posting while blocked is an automatic doubling of the block. But blocked posters can email Dr. Bob directly for discussion of administrative matters.
Thanks everyone.
Dinah
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Re: Blocked for one week » Larry Hoover
Posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 11:11:19
In reply to Re: Blocked for one week » Rickson Gracie, posted by Larry Hoover on August 3, 2003, at 10:55:45
> >
> > Mr.Larry,
> > Isnt that your interpretation of saying the wording? The words are clearly non offensive
>
> The use of the term "mantra", as well is explicit instructions that it is to be "said over and over", argue for a phonetic interpretation, rather than a literal one.
>
> *I* was offended, and I was not the intended target.
>
> > What if it is said different,with different pronunciations? In court MR.Henry would be found innocent.
>
> We're not in court. It clearly is not civil, as defined in the FAQ.
>
> "Please don't be sarcastic, joke about death or suicide, suggest that others harm, or discuss specific ways of harming, themselves or others, jump to conclusions about others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, use language that could offend others..."
>
> The test is "could", not "did, beyond all doubt".
>
> LarLarry,
I am new here but I dont understand this.Most of the stuff in there is up to the interpration of dr.bob.What if he thinks I am sarcastic but iam not in my mind? the jumping to conclusions of others is weird to me also.How is someone to know how to post with these rules that are only in dr.bob's mind.It is a shame cause this board is best and it is ruined by threads like this and mr ace for saying *ss,if with the * i still say word in my head so whats the difference?.too many rules to the mind of dr bob,but i guess if i want to enjoy this board i have to do the best i can.Maybe time for dr bob to revise rules.sorry for brokon english is my 2nd language and when i type fast it happens.
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Does this mean djmmm get gonna get blocked(NM)
Posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 11:14:07
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks, posted by djmmm on August 3, 2003, at 10:45:18
No message
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks
Posted by Oliver on August 3, 2003, at 13:19:24
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks » ace, posted by Dr. Bob on August 1, 2003, at 17:36:32
I find it amazing that these bannings happen on a board like this, where people are depressed, anxious and otherwise wounded. Of course they get upset and might use words like shit and ass and even "worse" ones. Are we the moral majority? Should we refer to parts of our anatomy with the Medical School terms? Censorship is a real Unbelievable drag, especially on a board supporting those with mental maladies. We are adults, most of us. Prudery is a breeding ground for incapacity and retardation. Let life flow, even if it is messy. All power to imagination and freedom.
Oliver
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Re: Does this mean djmmm get gonna get blocked
Posted by djmmm on August 3, 2003, at 13:19:25
In reply to Does this mean djmmm get gonna get blocked(NM) , posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 11:14:07
To be honest, being "blocked" would only do a disservice to others on this board....I think I have, in the past, and currently, contributed valuable information ( 10 years of personal experience with SSRIs, atypicals, and MAOIs)
I find it disturbing that the word "ass" would warrant a ban from posting, especially in the context it was used. I find it egregiously hypocritical to block an active poster (ace)...Maybe I am mistaken in the purpose of this "community" I believed it to be a forum for REAL information. The testimonials I have read here through the years have helped me tremendously, and by blocking someone from what may be their only source "therapy" seems not only "uncivil" but violates certain understood psychiatric ethics.
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Re: Blocked for one week » Rickson Gracie
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 3, 2003, at 13:38:12
In reply to Re: Blocked for one week » Larry Hoover, posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 11:11:19
> Larry,
> I am new here but I dont understand this.Most of the stuff in there is up to the interpration of dr.bob.What if he thinks I am sarcastic but iam not in my mind? the jumping to conclusions of others is weird to me also.How is someone to know how to post with these rules that are only in dr.bob's mind.It is a shame cause this board is best and it is ruined by threads like this and mr ace for saying *ss,if with the * i still say word in my head so whats the difference?.too many rules to the mind of dr bob,but i guess if i want to enjoy this board i have to do the best i can.Maybe time for dr bob to revise rules.The current system has worked wonderfully since its implementation. Sure, there have been some bad calls made on Dr. Bob's part from time to time, but this isn't one of them, for reasons clearly outlined in the posts of Larry Hoover, stjames, and myself.
Bottom line: the vast majority of us *appreciate* the civility policies here. We don't find them to be a hinderance because we are able to communicate without offense, judgment, sarcasm, etc. These policies make this forum a (relatively) safe place to post. And there certainly is no need for revision.
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 3, 2003, at 13:43:20
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks, posted by Oliver on August 3, 2003, at 13:19:24
By *choosing to post here* you are agreeing to the policies of this site. All I can say is, if you don't like it, no one's holding a pistol to your head (at least I don't think? lol).
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Re: i'm confused
Posted by stjames on August 3, 2003, at 14:14:44
In reply to i'm confused, posted by craig getty on August 3, 2003, at 1:41:58
Meanwhile- how do I know that the poster was aware of the dangers?
If you were that conserned, then you could post something about the dangers.
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Re: Hear, hear! (nm) » stjames
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 3, 2003, at 14:53:10
In reply to Re: i'm confused, posted by stjames on August 3, 2003, at 14:14:44
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Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?
Posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 17:17:53
In reply to Re: Does this mean djmmm get gonna get blocked, posted by djmmm on August 3, 2003, at 13:19:25
They both used the same words as Ace.If Ace got punished for using it then it is only fair that djmmm and oliver suffer the same fate.DJMMM,even though you are a great poster,there can be no favorites.If dr bob punished Ace for using that word and you knew about it,it is only fair under current board law you and OLIVER suffer the same consequences.
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Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver? » Rickson Gracie
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 3, 2003, at 17:29:21
In reply to Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver? , posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 17:17:53
That's definitely what's going to happen. The rules state that possibly offensive language is not to be used, period -- even in quotes or administrative example.
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Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?
Posted by djmmm on August 3, 2003, at 18:08:31
In reply to Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver? , posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 17:17:53
> They both used the same words as Ace.If Ace got punished for using it then it is only fair that djmmm and oliver suffer the same fate.DJMMM,even though you are a great poster,there can be no favorites.If dr bob punished Ace for using that word and you knew about it,it is only fair under current board law you and OLIVER suffer the same consequences.
Block me if you must....I'm afraid you have missed my point. In any event, I will not censor my response to posts, ever.
I consider myself "civil" and my post to be generally non-offensive, but what is offensive to some people, is "silly" to others....
I find it VERY strange that anyone would consider the use of the word "ass" in the context it was used, offensive. I am not using quotes to circumvent the rules. The quotes are there to allow the reader to distinguish between a discussion of the word and using it as an expletive.
When you begin to censor posts, you are creating a community of people who are afraid to speak their minds, and Psycho-babble is for self-help and dissemination of PERSONAL information.
You can't please everyone, someone is always bound to be offended by something. Blocking should be reserved for those who post personal threats, or blatently harass other members of this community--only because these circumstances have the potential to cause further harm to the overall mental health of a member.
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Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?
Posted by Oliver on August 3, 2003, at 19:46:43
In reply to Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver? , posted by Rickson Gracie on August 3, 2003, at 17:17:53
Thanks for putting my name in CAPS. Do you realize you sound like a 2-year old running to mom and dad---"mom he did this when I said that"; "dad, she said this when I did that." You people so focused on censoring others and running for help should at least realize that you are engendering a very translucent Psychological Drama. Why not save these for your therapy sessions.
Ame Sans Vie, you surprise me. Having such an interest in the French language, I thought you would be a little more open to human expression. Perhaps you haven't read Rimbaud, Beaudelaire, Breton. Or maybe you didn't absorb what you read. C'est la vie.
All power to free expression, and the healing power of words. Remember Lenny Bruce.
Oliver
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Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver? » Oliver
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 3, 2003, at 20:02:54
In reply to Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver? , posted by Oliver on August 3, 2003, at 19:46:43
Well you're right, I ashamedly have no current interest in French literature. Maybe one day, when my French is good enough that I can actually make sense of it? lol
As far as human expression is concerned, you may be surprised to learn that I'm probably one of the most liberal people you'll ever meet, in many ways. But that's beside the point--in the registration process to post on this site, you are agreeing to abide by certain policies. And I for one enjoy having a safe-haven to come to--a place in which such important matters can be discussed in an adult manner. Self-expression is all well and good, but there are certainly more effective and mature ways to get one's point across than using potentially offensive language.
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Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?
Posted by Oliver on August 3, 2003, at 20:21:25
In reply to Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver? » Oliver , posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 3, 2003, at 20:02:54
> Well you're right, I ashamedly have no current interest in French literature.
You needn't be ashamed. In fact you can read them in English translation, they're still great. Might relax you a bit.
> As far as human expression is concerned, you may be surprised to learn that I'm probably one of the most liberal people you'll ever meet, in many ways.
You should chill out a bit Ame. You're a regular here I know, I've read some of your posts. You like grass, so do I. This thing about language is Puritanical and goes back many generations. I doubt most people, besides Dr. Bob, find those words offensive, especially as they're not used to hurt.
>But that's beside the point--in the registration process to post on this site, you are agreeing to abide by certain policies.
You'd make a good government worker.
> And I for one enjoy having a safe-haven to come to--a place in which such important matters can be discussed in an adult manner.
Me too. ADULT manner even with bad words. The ones Mommy washed our mouth out with soap for using.
> Self-expression is all well and good, but there are certainly more effective and mature ways to get one's point across than using potentially offensive language.
Maybe for someone who's in despair or conversely in jubilation from a great med or sex (can I use this word?) there are NO OTHER words to use. Shouldn't they be at least allowed to use some of them? After all, skip the posts you don't like. And Maturity, who gives anyone the right to define who is and is not Mature?
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Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?
Posted by stjames on August 3, 2003, at 21:18:01
In reply to Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?, posted by Oliver on August 3, 2003, at 20:21:25
>But that's beside the point--in the registration process to post on this site, you are agreeing to abide by certain policies.
You'd make a good government worker.
Good grief. Bob has every right to run this site as he likes. After all he bears the $400 a month in hosting fees. If you cannot abide by the rules
please leave the rest of us in peace, so we can get back to support issues.--
Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 3, 2003, at 21:34:28
In reply to Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?, posted by Oliver on August 3, 2003, at 20:21:25
> > Well you're right, I ashamedly have no current interest in French literature.
>
> You needn't be ashamed. In fact you can read them in English translation, they're still great. Might relax you a bit.More relaxation is the last thing I need, believe me. I'm not at all uptight about this--really, I could care less about the whole deal. But what can I say, I'm bored and there's little else to post about, lol.
> > As far as human expression is concerned, you may be surprised to learn that I'm probably one of the most liberal people you'll ever meet, in many ways.
>
> You should chill out a bit Ame. You're a regular here I know, I've read some of your posts. You like grass, so do I. This thing about language is Puritanical and goes back many generations. I doubt most people, besides Dr. Bob, find those words offensive, especially as they're not used to hurt.Keep one thing in mind -- this site is open to *anyone* with internet access. That includes children. That should be reason enough to try to control what comes out on our screens.
> >But that's beside the point--in the registration process to post on this site, you are agreeing to abide by certain policies.
>
> You'd make a good government worker.
>
> > And I for one enjoy having a safe-haven to come to--a place in which such important matters can be discussed in an adult manner.
>
> Me too. ADULT manner even with bad words. The ones Mommy washed our mouth out with soap for using.*Adults* should be able to communicate (especially on a forum like this) without using offensive language. I personally find such language *childish*, and though I'm only 20, I stopped using such language in casual conversation when I was about 16. There are much more effective ways to express oneself.
> > Self-expression is all well and good, but there are certainly more effective and mature ways to get one's point across than using potentially offensive language.
>
> Maybe for someone who's in despair or conversely in jubilation from a great med or sex (can I use this word?) there are NO OTHER words to use. Shouldn't they be at least allowed to use some of them? After all, skip the posts you don't like. And Maturity, who gives anyone the right to define who is and is not Mature?Come on now, there are always other words that one can use to get their point across without using profanity. And as for skipping the posts you don't like, lol... how do you know you "don't like" them until after you've read them (and consequentially been offended by them)?
You're right, maturity is subjective--but I can personally attest to the fact that I seldom hear anyone over the age of 25 use the idiom "kicks *ss", while it's used extensively by younger persons. That right there should tell you something about how maturity relates to all this.
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Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?
Posted by SLS on August 3, 2003, at 21:47:01
In reply to Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?, posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 3, 2003, at 21:34:28
> I'm not at all uptight about this--really, I could care less about the whole deal. But what can I say, I'm bored and there's little else to post about, lol.
Me too.
:-)
- Scott
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Re: That's fine, but PLEASE move it to Admin
Posted by Dinah on August 3, 2003, at 21:59:46
In reply to Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver?, posted by SLS on August 3, 2003, at 21:47:01
Discussion of administrative policies is fine. But there are over forty posts on this thread now that Dr. Bob will have to move or delete. The place for discussion of administrative issues is Psycho-Babble Administrative. Here is a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030508/msgs/247632.html
Or just change the name of the board on your post replying to a post on this thread.
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ATTN:DINAH PLEASE READ
Posted by Rickson Gracie on August 4, 2003, at 0:48:23
In reply to Re: Oh boy,what will happen to djmmm and oliver? , posted by Oliver on August 3, 2003, at 19:46:43
As you have blocked John Henry,I know you have power to do such.I take offensive very badly to what oliver is saying.He is making fun of me by calling me a 2 year old.If you read the post,you will find it demeaning.I would like to see either:
1-Warn or block Djmmm and Oliver for using foul language is previous posts and this post.It is only right and I know you have the power.Being in a depressed state right now and Oliver putting me down does not help and makes me feel afraid to speak up.
Thanks and I hope you follow through with this matter.> Thanks for putting my name in CAPS. Do you realize you sound like a 2-year old running to mom and dad---"mom he did this when I said that"; "dad, she said this when I did that." You people so focused on censoring others and running for help should at least realize that you are engendering a very translucent Psychological Drama. Why not save these for your therapy sessions.
>
> Ame Sans Vie, you surprise me. Having such an interest in the French language, I thought you would be a little more open to human expression. Perhaps you haven't read Rimbaud, Beaudelaire, Breton. Or maybe you didn't absorb what you read. C'est la vie.
>
> All power to free expression, and the healing power of words. Remember Lenny Bruce.
>
> Oliver
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 4:40:09
In reply to Being civil, use of offensive language, posted by Patient on August 2, 2003, at 17:25:25
Unban ACE right NOW. Being banned for using *ss
Posted by Angelic9144 on August 3, 2003, at 13:21:10
Being banned for using this word wasn't listed in the FAQ, nor the rules. No warning was given, and a months ban is quite harsh. How about a 24 hour ban?
This isn't some videogame board, this board provides support for individuals, and ace is one who needs support (as stated by your own purpose of this board). Therefore banning him for a month is denying him treatment which could lead to a lawsuit against you guys for being so harsh.
I have a few more choice words for whoever is moderating this board, but I will restrain myself to preserve credibility.
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Re: Unban ACE right NOW. Being banned for using *ss
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 3, 2003, at 13:51:58
In reply to Unban ACE right NOW. Being banned for using *ss, posted by Angelic9144 on August 3, 2003, at 13:21:10
> Being banned for using this word wasn't listed in the FAQ, nor the rules. No warning was given, and a months ban is quite harsh. How about a 24 hour ban?
But he *was* warned:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030429/msgs/224223.html
And it *is* listed in the FAQ:
"Please don't be sarcastic, joke about death or suicide, suggest that others harm, or discuss specific ways of harming, themselves or others, jump to conclusions about others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, ***use language that could offend others***, exaggerate or overgeneralize -- et cetera. Even if you're quoting someone else. Also, please don't post under more than one name at a time."
Finally, since his last ban was two weeks, the policy is to double the length with each offense. That policy has worked very well, and I for one would be very upset to see it changed mid-course.
> This isn't some videogame board, this board provides support for individuals, and ace is one who needs support (as stated by your own purpose of this board). Therefore banning him for a month is denying him treatment which could lead to a lawsuit against you guys for being so harsh.
Aren't we blowing this thing a *tad* out of proportion? A person can't rely on a message board as their "therapy".
> I have a few more choice words for whoever is moderating this board, but I will restrain myself to preserve credibility.
Posted by Dinah on August 4, 2003, at 6:12:06
In reply to Being civil, use of offensive language, posted by Patient on August 2, 2003, at 17:25:25
I realize that while you *can* block double the previous block with each offense, you don't *have* to. Since this was one offensive word in a post, isn't it possible it was simply not asterisked in error or in habit rather than deliberately? If it were an obscenity strewn or truly offensive post, it would be clear that it was purposeful, but in this case it may well not have been.
Given the possible lack of intent in the use of the word, is it possible to err on the side of leniency in the original block? Of course, I do realize that whatever the original length of the block, it will have to be doubled for posting while blocked. That has long been standard, and is perfectly reasonable.
Just my 2 cents.
And Dr. Bob? Nice to see you home.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 7:36:19
In reply to Redirected: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 3:30:29
> On what grounds do you have on blocking Mr.Henry?
>
> Rickson GracieWhen you're blocked, you're not supposed to post, so I'm extending the duration of your block.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 7:40:10
In reply to Redirected: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 3:30:29
> lol...*ss? is that offensive? c'mon, really? I have read "worse" words here.
>
> djmmmSorry about those other words. It may not offend you, but it may offend others.
> Of course they get upset and might use words like sh*t and *ss and even "worse" ones... Censorship is a real Unbelievable drag
Well, incivility is a drag, too.
Please don't use language that could offend others.
> Do you realize you sound like a 2-year old running to mom and dad
>
> OliverAlso, please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, thanks.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 8:01:36
In reply to Redirected: blocked for 4 weeks=This is crazy!, posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 3:30:29
> Dr.Bob,you really need to lighten up a little,why dont you come up with a list of words we can and can't say?
>
> john HenryHere's some guidance. If something's considered potentially vulgar or obscene by Merriam-Webster OnLine:
then I'll probably think it could offend others.
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> I propose that this site stay focused on the what I believe is its stated/intended purpose - to provide a common ground and exchange of open communication...
>
> craig getty> Maybe I am mistaken in the purpose of this "community" I believed it to be a forum for REAL information.
> When you begin to censor posts, you are creating a community of people who are afraid to speak their minds
>
> djmmmThe purpose of these boards is to provide support and education, and I think that posts are more likely to be supportive if they're civil. And that it's not such a bad thing if someone has second thoughts about posting something that could offend someone else...
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 8:27:01
In reply to Re: Re. 4 week block - Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on August 4, 2003, at 6:12:06
> Since this was one offensive word in a post, isn't it possible it was simply not asterisked in error or in habit rather than deliberately?
Sure, but either way, there's still a post that could offend someone.
> Given the possible lack of intent in the use of the word, is it possible to err on the side of leniency in the original block?
The first time this happened, I didn't even block him at all, I just asked him to be civil. We even had a discussion about it:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030404/msgs/224331.html
> And Dr. Bob? Nice to see you home.
Thanks! And thanks for stepping in there...
Bob
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 4, 2003, at 8:47:46
In reply to Re: posting policies, posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 8:01:36
Posted by djmmm on August 5, 2003, at 15:26:27
In reply to Re: please be civil » djmmm » Oliver, posted by Dr. Bob on August 4, 2003, at 7:40:10
> > lol...*ss? is that offensive? c'mon, really? I have read "worse" words here.
> >
> > djmmm
>
> Sorry about those other words. It may not offend you, but it may offend others.
>
> > Of course they get upset and might use words like sh*t and *ss and even "worse" ones... Censorship is a real Unbelievable drag
>
> Well, incivility is a drag, too.
>
> Please don't use language that could offend others.
>
> > Do you realize you sound like a 2-year old running to mom and dad
> >
> > Oliver
>
> Also, please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, thanks.
>
> BobI believe that I am a civil person, and take offense to being described as otherwise. "Civility" is subjective. It is my opinion that YOUR concept of civility (in the context of this forum) is unrealistic. "Name calling" and "labeling" seem to be (at least to me) uncivil (lacking in courtesy) So, I take offense to being labeled as "uncivlilized"....And by your reasoning, if I find such name calling/labeling offensive, then "please be civil" should be added to your list of offensive words or phrases.
I clearly understand that this forum would most likely dissolve into chaos without rules and regulations, I don't object to the posting rules (in general), what I object to is the consequences of blocking someone from a certain "therapy" (which I believe this board provides).
I hope you realize the importance of the real communication, the real stories behind the multitude of medications given to those of us who suffer, or have suffered...as you well know, the vast majority of Dr's have never taken the medications they prescribe, and thus perptuate what amounts to misinformation (side-effects, etc)
I hope to continue participating in this community because I believe, and depend on the HONESTY of its members...and inevitably an honest post is going to offend someone. Yeah "incivility" is a drag, but blatent, and unwarented censorship (either by removing a post, or blocking a member) is not an ethical (in the context of psychiatry) solution.
Posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 17:35:08
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by djmmm on August 5, 2003, at 15:26:27
what I object to is the consequences of blocking someone from a certain "therapy" (which I believe this board provides).
Not according to the info you sign off on when you sign up.
Posted by Dinah on August 5, 2003, at 19:10:11
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by djmmm on August 5, 2003, at 15:26:27
Dr. Bob is clear that no therapy of any sort is provided here.
Posted by djmmm on August 5, 2003, at 19:20:18
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 17:35:08
> what I object to is the consequences of blocking someone from a certain "therapy" (which I believe this board provides).
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> Not according to the info you sign off on when you sign up.My definition of "therapy" differs from yours... This site does indeed provide a certain therapy, and to deny that fact is your opinion. And we are all entitled to our own opinions. If this forum has never provided you ANY useful information or help,(whether through personal stories, etc) then, you wouldn't be part of this community.
Self-help groups, group therapy, on-line forum support....semantics. This site, whether you agree with me or not, was intended for
dissemination of personal information, life experiences, dealing with medications...It is a group forum, providing a mental health service "Online Self-Help Group" note Dr. Hsiung's title, and abstractThe Best of Both Worlds
Reference:
Hsiung, RC. (2001). The Best of Both Worlds: An Online Self-Help Group Hosted by a Mental Health Professional. CyberPsychology & Behavior, 3 (6), 935-950.Abstract:
Online mental health groups can be classified as autonomous self-help groups or support groups led by mental health professionals. An online self-help group hosted by a mental health professional, in which the mental health professional focuses on maintaining the supportive milieu and the members of the group focus on providing the support for each other, is hypothesized to combine the best of both worlds. Psycho-Babble, a group of this type hosted by the author, serves as an example. Between January and August 2000, 1,516 members posted 21,230 messages in 3,028 discussion threads. Forty-eight percent of posters posted just once. Thirteen percent of threads consisted of only the initial post. In July 2000, 534,219 Psycho-Babble pages were served. Samples of educational and supportive posts, misinformation, "Internet addiction," help-rejecting, limit-setting, and member feedback are given. The usage statistics and the anecdotal evidence of the posts themselves support the effectiveness of the group. The hypothesized key ingredients are discussed. The asynchronous online (message board) format is highly usable and makes the group accessible and safe. Drawbacks, however, are the potential for "multiple identities" and the technical difficulty of effectively preventing determined individuals from gaining at least temporary entry into the group. This hybrid type of group combines the best of the two worlds of self-help (empowerment) and leadership by a mental health professional (maintenance of the supportive milieu).
Posted by djmmm on August 5, 2003, at 19:25:26
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by djmmm on August 5, 2003, at 19:20:18
Posted by SLS on August 5, 2003, at 19:42:06
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by djmmm on August 5, 2003, at 19:20:18
> This site does indeed provide a certain therapy...
Hi.It is obvious that participating on Psycho-Babble can be therapeutic. (It has been for me). That is not to say that therapeutics is its goal, purpose, or responsibility. It is not.
- Scott
Posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 20:37:53
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by djmmm on August 5, 2003, at 19:20:18
and to deny that fact is your opinion.
Well, here is what Dr Bob says:
Please note, however, that psychotherapy itself is not provided here. There are a bunch of other boards here, too:
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2003, at 10:52:43
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by djmmm on August 5, 2003, at 15:26:27
> I believe that I am a civil person, and take offense to being described as otherwise.
Sorry about that. I know, it might be better to say "please post only civil messages" or something like that to differentiate between the behavior, which is the issue, and the person, which isn't. But "please be civil" is more succinct and has become a kind of tradition...
> what I object to is the consequences of blocking someone from a certain "therapy" (which I believe this board provides).
I regret that, too, but "the good of the many outweighs the good of the few":
http://www.starfleet.4mg.com/episodes/movies/2.htm
Bob
Posted by zenhussy on August 6, 2003, at 11:24:07
In reply to Re: please post only civil messages, posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2003, at 10:52:43
> I regret that, too, but "the good of the many outweighs the good of the few":
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> http://www.starfleet.4mg.com/episodes/movies/2.htm
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> BobDr. Bob,
Are you seriously setting administrative policy from Star Trek movies???
zenhussy
Posted by slinky on August 6, 2003, at 17:18:34
In reply to Is this for real?? » Dr. Bob, posted by zenhussy on August 6, 2003, at 11:24:07
Maybe it's not supposed to be funny?
But it temporarily eased my depression -thanks!
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2003, at 19:08:32
In reply to Is this for real?? » Dr. Bob, posted by zenhussy on August 6, 2003, at 11:24:07
> Are you seriously setting administrative policy from Star Trek movies???
Not always, some of their policies I disagree with. :-)
Bob
Posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 19:10:59
In reply to Re: Is this for real??, posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2003, at 19:08:32
> > Are you seriously setting administrative policy from Star Trek movies???
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> Not always, some of their policies I disagree with. :-)
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> BobROFL. I've always thought that Captain Kirk should be taught in management classes. He surrounded himself with the best, set the goals, and stood back and let them do their jobs.
But don't forget, Dr. Bob, that the message of the next movie was that sometimes the good of the one outweighs the good of the many.
Posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 19:11:28
In reply to Re: Is this for real??, posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 19:10:59
Posted by djmmm on August 12, 2003, at 16:30:56
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by SLS on August 5, 2003, at 19:42:06
> > This site does indeed provide a certain therapy...
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> Hi.
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> It is obvious that participating on Psycho-Babble can be therapeutic. (It has been for me). That is not to say that therapeutics is its goal, purpose, or responsibility. It is not.
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> - Scott
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>I don't believe that I am confused as to the purpose of this site.
Dr. Bob my want to reconsider what he feels this board provides, and the discrepancy between that view and the basis of his published study.
E-Therapy: Case Studies, Guiding Principles, and the Clinical Potential of the Internet
"...Dr. Robert Hsiung, has gathered a group of distinguished contributors to discuss clinical, ethical, and legal issues pertaining to e-therapy. Full of case studies and examples of active programs that deliver mental health information and therapy via new media, E-Therapy offers first-hand accounts of the potential and risks of recent trends in "distance therapy" and "telepsychiatry."
http://wwnorton.com/NPB/nppsych/etherapy.htm
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 12, 2003, at 17:51:27
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by djmmm on August 12, 2003, at 16:30:56
> > It is obvious that participating on Psycho-Babble can be therapeutic. (It has been for me). That is not to say that therapeutics is its goal, purpose, or responsibility. It is not.
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> I don't believe that I am confused as to the purpose of this site.
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> Dr. Bob my want to reconsider what he feels this board provides, and the discrepancy between that view and the basis of his published study...Sorry if I've been discrepant... The way I see it, participating here can be helpful, but my role here isn't that of a therapist. How's that?
Bob
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