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Posted by Dragonslayer on June 20, 2003, at 9:01:55
In reply to I am fed up with little sphinx'es veiled threats, posted by stjames on June 19, 2003, at 11:46:11
More than usual recently. Is it the season? You can see the pattern repeated over and over. 'tis the nature of the beast that lives here.
Posted by shar on June 20, 2003, at 11:45:17
In reply to Why happening so often?, posted by Dragonslayer on June 20, 2003, at 9:01:55
good observation about the season. It seems the seasons that usually bring the darkest posts are the joyous ones...you know, Christmas, T-day, etc.
Shar
> More than usual recently. Is it the season? You can see the pattern repeated over and over. 'tis the nature of the beast that lives here.
Posted by wendy b. on June 20, 2003, at 12:16:20
In reply to I am fed up with little sphinx'es veiled threats, posted by stjames on June 19, 2003, at 11:46:11
I personally think it would be a sad thing if a little sphynx could not post her feelings of hopelessness here. We don't all have the luxury of having family or friends or a good pdoc/therapist who we can confide in and lean upon.
And it doesn't happen over and over again; I think her previous posts hinted she was on her way down, but yesterday's was her first real suicide note, it had a different tone. And since I know her personally, I know this was no "threat." It was real.
Treating people the way we ourselves want to be treated is rule number one. Everything else is just gravy...
I'm pretty sure ALS went to the hospital today -- please wish her well instead of tearing her down. Isn't that what you would want people to do for you?With all due respect,
Wendy
Posted by bobby on June 20, 2003, at 12:54:14
In reply to Re: I am fed up with..., posted by wendy b. on June 20, 2003, at 12:16:20
nobody could have said it better! Since you know her personally, please let us know how she's doing. I have worried daily.Thanx
Bobby
Posted by Ron Hill on June 20, 2003, at 13:03:38
In reply to Re: I am fed up with..., posted by wendy b. on June 20, 2003, at 12:16:20
Posted by Jack Smith on June 20, 2003, at 14:11:24
In reply to Re: I am fed up with..., posted by wendy b. on June 20, 2003, at 12:16:20
> I personally think it would be a sad thing if a little sphynx could not post her feelings of hopelessness here.
I agree that it is a good thing to have a place to post feelings but it is a bad thing to make suicide threats especially when they are repeated. . . . People here already have fragile feelings, repeated talk of suicide really brings people down more. But I guess the option is to just ignore it.
JACK
Posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 15:50:16
In reply to Expressing Feelings--good/Suicide threats--bad » wendy b., posted by Jack Smith on June 20, 2003, at 14:11:24
> I agree that it is a good thing to have a place to post feelings but it is a bad thing to make suicide threats especially when they are repeated. . . .
Sadly, the far majority of suicide threats here are fake. I have also found that those who are going to kill themselves just do it. So I am suspicious of those who post over and over again
about it.
Posted by shar on June 20, 2003, at 16:29:26
In reply to Re: I am fed up with..., posted by wendy b. on June 20, 2003, at 12:16:20
Perhaps one of the small differences here is that you, Wendy, KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, and we (or at least those that do not know this poster) DO NOT.
What I see, are imminent threats to ending a life. Maybe that's what some others see as well, particularly when requests for information were met with more cryptic/mystical words. Maybe that's NOT what you see, because you KNOW WHAT's GOING ON in the real world.
I hope your friend will be ok. Had you managed to convey a message earlier that she was not at true risk, I'm sure much worry, concern and heartache could have been saved the members of this forum. However, that is NOT your job.
Shar
Posted by Jack Smith on June 20, 2003, at 16:33:06
In reply to Re: I am fed up with... » wendy b., posted by shar on June 20, 2003, at 16:29:26
Posted by OddipusRex on June 20, 2003, at 17:26:03
In reply to Re: Expressing Feelings--good/Suicide threats--bad, posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 15:50:16
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> Sadly, the far majority of suicide threats here are fake.How do you know?
>I have also found that those who are going to kill themselves just do it.
How did you find this? I thought many if not most people who commit suicide had mentioned it or attempted it before.
Posted by OddipusRex on June 20, 2003, at 17:57:14
In reply to Re: I am fed up with..., posted by wendy b. on June 20, 2003, at 12:16:20
Wendy do you mean you know her in real life or know her as someone who posted here under another name?
Did you intervene after she made a suicidal threat ?I wish her well but I don't think this board is a good place for that kind of emoting. I think she needs to be cared for by people who DO know her personally.
With all due respect(and your due great big bunches just like the rest of us)
OR
Posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 18:28:16
In reply to Re: Expressing Feelings--good/Suicide threats--bad » stjames, posted by OddipusRex on June 20, 2003, at 17:26:03
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> > Sadly, the far majority of suicide threats here are fake.
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> How do you know?3 years of being on this list. Many are shown to be fake. Or, the latest. "I was drunk"
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> >I have also found that those who are going to kill themselves just do it.
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> How did you find this? I thought many if not most people who commit suicide had mentioned it or attempted it before.Sorry, you thought wrong.
Posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 18:30:11
In reply to Re: I am fed up with... » wendy b., posted by shar on June 20, 2003, at 16:29:26
Maybe that's what some others see as well, particularly when requests for information were met with more cryptic/mystical words.
I agree here. I feel toyed with when the subject
is so important and the answers so cryptic.
Posted by slinky on June 20, 2003, at 18:32:02
In reply to Re: Good for you Wendy! Best Wishes Slinky. (nm) » wendy b., posted by Ron Hill on June 20, 2003, at 13:03:38
..Dinah , you thought you were confused.
Posted by Dinah on June 20, 2003, at 18:45:57
In reply to Re: Good for you Wendy! Best Wishes Slinky. (nm) » wendy b., posted by Ron Hill on June 20, 2003, at 13:03:38
Delightfully whimsical she may be. But that sweetie's never been anything but up front and open.
Best wishes, whomever.
Posted by slinky on June 20, 2003, at 19:12:58
In reply to Re: Not Slinky's style » Ron Hill, posted by Dinah on June 20, 2003, at 18:45:57
I have no idea who what etc.
I think I'd rather be in the dark.
Thanks Dinah...I wouldn't post under multiple names(I'd change it-not use old one )
I respect/care about people here too much.
Posted by OddipusRex on June 20, 2003, at 19:23:54
In reply to Re: Expressing Feelings--good/Suicide threats--bad, posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 18:28:16
Here's my source. Where's yours? Just because someone isn't dead doesn't mean a threat was not "real". You're entitled to your opinions of course but they ARE just your OPINIONS.
I do agree however that this board is not a good place for suicide threats.
http://www2.ucsc.edu/psychiatry/depression.html#Chapter6How Can You Tell if Suicide Is a Possibility?
While suicide is very hard to predict, there are some reliable indicators of risk.
Those who are seriously depressed are quite likely to have thoughts of suicide.
Other emotional illnesses such as severe anxiety or confusion can lead to the idea that "life is not worth living."
Anyone who has previously attempted suicide is at increased risk.
Recent losses, particularly deaths of close relatives or friends, heighten vulnerability.
Alcohol and drugs can dissolve inhibitions against suicide.
Preparations for death, such as giving away possessions or acquiring a gun, are cause for great concern.
A sudden lift in spirits in a depresed person can mean a decision has been reached that will "end the misery."Some Misconceptions About Suicide
"People who talk about it seldom do it."
The truth is that few individuals are single-minded in their decision for death; many are asking for help even as they approach the final act. Suicide threats should always be taken seriously.
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> > > Sadly, the far majority of suicide threats here are fake.
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> > How do you know?
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> 3 years of being on this list. Many are shown to be fake. Or, the latest. "I was drunk"
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> > >I have also found that those who are going to kill themselves just do it.
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> > How did you find this? I thought many if not most people who commit suicide had mentioned it or attempted it before.
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> Sorry, you thought wrong.
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Posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 19:31:50
In reply to Re: Expressing Feelings--good/Suicide threats--bad » stjames, posted by OddipusRex on June 20, 2003, at 19:23:54
> Here's my source. Where's yours? Just because someone isn't dead doesn't mean a threat was not "real". You're entitled to your opinions of course but they ARE just your OPINIONS.
Your source talks about behaviors & not directly
saying "I am thinking about suicide". I don't question that the behaviors or clues are often there. I donn't think it is common to be so overt about it.
Posted by Zo on June 20, 2003, at 19:39:16
In reply to I am fed up with little sphinx'es veiled threats, posted by stjames on June 19, 2003, at 11:46:11
(Like a citizen's arrest.)
(from the *inventor* of "PBC")Please don't post anything that might make others feel put down.
Please be supportive of others.
Could you rephrase that as an I statement?
It's best to omit personal judgement of others here.
This is a board for people seeking support for mental health issues. It is open to all who agree to the guidelines, and is intended to be safe for all.
Zo
p.s. to St. James -- My guess is what you probably want to do is remind yourself, this isn't a board for the expression of our personal opinion of others. Maybe a blog? Another reminder might be, it's best to err on the side of supportiveness--you never know. And just something to think about: suspicion, cynicism or the like. Are those things ever a contribution?
Just my thoughts.
Posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 19:45:26
In reply to Re: a Citizen's PBC » stjames, posted by Zo on June 20, 2003, at 19:39:16
> (Like a citizen's arrest.)
> (from the *inventor* of "PBC")Sorry, I don't see where I was uncivil, Zo.
Posted by OddipusRex on June 20, 2003, at 20:10:21
In reply to Re: Expressing Feelings--good/Suicide threats--bad, posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 19:31:50
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> Your source talks about behaviors & not directly
> saying "I am thinking about suicide". I don't question that the behaviors or clues are often there. I donn't think it is common to be so overt about it.Please reread This a MISCONCEPTION : People who TALK about it seldom do it.
Some Misconceptions About Suicide
"People who talk about it seldom do it."
The truth is that few individuals are single-minded in their decision for death; many are asking for help even as they approach the final act. Suicide threats should always be taken seriously.
Posted by Zo on June 20, 2003, at 20:13:37
In reply to Re: a Citizen's PBC, posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 19:45:26
That's why I suggested you might want to take some time to think about it.
Or -- sorry, I'm so very seldom here* -- ask others to explain?
Thanks!
*Permanent Objection to current blocking policy.
Posted by Dinah on June 20, 2003, at 20:21:02
In reply to Re: Expressing Feelings--good/Suicide threats--bad » stjames, posted by OddipusRex on June 20, 2003, at 20:10:21
> Suicide threats should always be taken seriously.
>
Abso-lutely true, Oddipus. You don't want anyone to have to prove they're serious. My parent almost brought about a very nasty situation by bringing me a knife and more or less telling me they didn't think I was serious. I was serious about feeling very very bad, however serious my ideation was. And it made me want to prove them wrong, that I did have the guts. The fact that I didn't in fact have the guts to do it was pure (?)luck(?).Whether or not a suicide threat is going to be carried through matters. But it also matters that it is someone's way of saying just how bad they feel.
That being said, real life help is always better than online help if there is a crisis.
Posted by zenhussy on June 20, 2003, at 22:15:44
In reply to Re: a Citizen's PBC, posted by stjames on June 20, 2003, at 19:45:26
> > (Like a citizen's arrest.)
> > (from the *inventor* of "PBC")
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> Sorry, I don't see where I was uncivil, Zo.
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>st james,
I am on a very unstable pc and won't be able to use it while I'm away on this family business but would you like me to compile a list of where you've been uncivil???
Sheesh! You of all people too.
very sad about the state of affairs around here,
zenhussy
Posted by shar on June 20, 2003, at 22:42:16
In reply to Re: Expressing Feelings--good/Suicide threats--bad » OddipusRex, posted by Dinah on June 20, 2003, at 20:21:02
> Abso-lutely true, Oddipus. You don't want anyone to have to prove they're serious. My parent almost brought about a very nasty situation by bringing me a knife and more or less telling me they didn't think I was serious.
My mom showed me where her handgun was after my first suicide attempt (with aspirin, no less, which I do NOT recommend to ANYBODY who does not want tinnitus for the rest of their life!). She rushed me to the hospital, I talked to the shrink on call, he said she is in bad shape and may kill herself and/or you, too, and her solution was to bring me home, show me where the gun was and let me do what I want. It was loaded, she assured me.
She may have wanted to die as much as I did, who knows. My dad had just died.
Oh, and no more shrink appointments or counseling. Although, she did force me into church one Sunday morning. Obviously, that was a great success.
So much for childhood.
Shar
P.S. I'm glad you're still around, Dinah.
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