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Posted by wendy b. on December 5, 2002, at 22:23:57
... over on the social board, with Tina making statements that are worrying for all of us (a peaceful way to suicide), there is a new thread
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20021120/msgs/33004.html
that is about a great way to do oneself in. I mean, we're probably not going to PBC Tina, are we, because she's giving detailed plans about how she's going to kill herself, because - I guess - she really needs the lifeline. The support & caring are phenomenal...
I won't say exactly how Tina's words are making me feel, but it's not good...
But Miller's post is directly sharing ideas on how to suicide, and I thought the FAQ made it very plain that this is not tolerable on the board...
Can someone please help on this? Or help me sort out my feelings on this? I am very distressed...
Wendy
Posted by gabbix2 on December 6, 2002, at 0:35:16
In reply to Amidst all the pain..., posted by wendy b. on December 5, 2002, at 22:23:57
I feel exactly the same way about everything Wendy said.
The sharing of other plans was, well, I had no clue how to respond to that. The difference between Tina's posts and the one to which Wendy is referring, is that I find the latter offensive on many levels which I won't discuss, but at the very least it's gratuitous, I don't think it even feel it even pertained to Tina's personal situation. It would be ludicrous to try deny suicidal thoughts here..but this??
Ideas?
Posted by IsoM on December 6, 2002, at 0:44:40
In reply to Amidst all the pain..., posted by wendy b. on December 5, 2002, at 22:23:57
I've not gone to the social board yet but have just read what you wrote, Wendy & the link to Miller's post you included. I don't care if I get a PBC but this Miller is a sick individual. Tina's pain has been real & the peace she talked of finding has scared me. I'll have to go to PB Social to see what else has been posted but Miller's post doesn't have the feel of "pain" with it & who is this Miller anyway? I don't remember anything from them before, does any one else?
The post sounds like some sick, depraved person egging on any who are suicidal - getting their jollies on pushing people to "do it". What a sick bastard!! - it's my "feelings", my intuition that this person is doing this for fun, not because they are depressed. I may be wrong, but their whole post feels very 'off'.
Posted by medlib on December 6, 2002, at 2:42:54
In reply to Amidst all the pain..., posted by wendy b. on December 5, 2002, at 22:23:57
Wendy--
I share your feelings. This subject is a sensitive one for me personally, so I've emailed Dr. Bob requesting that he review that post and will wait for his reply.
It'll be awhile yet before I'm calm enough to post to Tina, so I'm very glad to see so many express so much. Hope it'll be enough---medlib
Posted by Racer on December 6, 2002, at 5:08:38
In reply to Re: Amidst all the pain... » wendy b., posted by IsoM on December 6, 2002, at 0:44:40
>>I don't care if I get a PBC but this Miller is a sick individual.
I agree that the post in question sounds as if it's from a very sick individual. I disagree that this is just someone playing, although I do agree that something seems very off about this individual.
Guess where I'm going with this?
I came over here to ask about the tina posts, wondering if the admin could or should respond in any way. The Miller post didn't upset me as much as it seems to have upset other people, probably because it really did sound as if this was from a sick person, that that's the sort of person who both needs to find help and is least likely to have any awareness of acceptable limits.
Dunno, I read the sort of stuff that used to tell us one of my fellow in-the-same-room groupmates was going hypermanic. (Saw him flip over during one session once -- scary as hell, and very much like that post. Started out close to suicidal, was ready to fly home by the end. Overheard the group leader calling their mutual pdoc later to see what to do.)
Tough thoughts for me. I hope tina's OK -- I'm not depressed right now, but this did add enough to my other current worries that I couldn't sleep and am here at 3:30AM typing this. Is self censorship on a mental health board an oxymoron? Should people who need this sort of support sacrifice honesty for comfort? I think that's what usually leads to my depressive episodes, during which I'm often unable to control that sort of behavior enough to censor myself.
And someday I'll learn to spell censor. Not tonight, though. I'm gonna finish my herbal tea and try to get to sleep.
Posted by Dinah on December 6, 2002, at 8:19:04
In reply to Re: Amidst all the pain... » wendy b., posted by IsoM on December 6, 2002, at 0:44:40
Miller has been posting on Psycho-Psycho Babble, and has recently (over Labor Day weekend) had a suicidal crisis of his/her own.
When you feel suicidal, and you feel that suicide is a viable option or a desirable one even, I'm guessing it doesn't seem unsupportive to share plans. I wouldn't do it myself, because I always find someone else's suicidal plans to be a terrible idea while my own are perfectly reasonable and justified.
I told Miller about Dr. Bob's stance on this sort of thing.
I know we all care about Tina, and want her to choose to live, and are extremely frightened. But I also want Miller to choose to live. Please read Miller's posts on PPB before jumping to conclusions about intentions (as opposed to outcome).
Dinah
Posted by IsoM on December 6, 2002, at 10:52:51
In reply to Re: Amidst all the pain..., posted by Dinah on December 6, 2002, at 8:19:04
I posted on PB Social about it this morning:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20021206/msgs/33027.html
and
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20021206/msgs/33026.html
Posted by Mashogr8 on December 6, 2002, at 14:48:13
In reply to Re: Amidst all the pain..., posted by IsoM on December 6, 2002, at 10:52:51
There is a particular thread which I remember quite clearly from June 1999 re ideas for successful suicide. A number of different people, including myself, raised the issue about whether such information is appropriate on a site where most people seek refuge from their destructive thoughts. Dr. Bob's response appeared on June 18, 1999. Perhaps you might be able to visualize his response(based on his reaction then) to this situation.
I also wish the poster well and hope that some relief is received before she reacts so desparately.
I don't pray a lot and well but I'm praying now.
MA
Sorry, I don't know how to make the link. I found it by searching in 1999.
Posted by Dreamerz on December 6, 2002, at 15:12:37
In reply to Re: Amidst all the pain..., posted by Mashogr8 on December 6, 2002, at 14:48:13
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> Sorry, I don't know how to make the link. I found it by searching in 1999.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 7, 2002, at 19:19:25
In reply to Re: link:, posted by Dreamerz on December 6, 2002, at 15:12:37
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/19990601/msgs/7511.html
Here's something more specific:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20000926/msgs/45550.html
I've deleted that section of Miller's post.
Bob
PS: Sorry not to have been available lately, the whole university email system went down! :-(
Posted by Dreamerz on December 8, 2002, at 15:58:05
In reply to Re: link, posted by Dr. Bob on December 7, 2002, at 19:19:25
> PS: Sorry not to have been available lately, the whole university email system went down! :-(Does that mean you didn't get the pic I sent?
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 8, 2002, at 18:46:23
In reply to Re: link » Dr. Bob, posted by Dreamerz on December 8, 2002, at 15:58:05
> Does that mean you didn't get the pic I sent?
Nope, didn't get it, sorry. Can you send it again? I think things are working better now...
Bob
Posted by Dreamerz on December 8, 2002, at 18:58:49
In reply to Re: pic, posted by Dr. Bob on December 8, 2002, at 18:46:23
Can you send it again? I think things are working better now...
Oh , I suppose so : )
Posted by OddipusRex on January 12, 2003, at 18:25:13
In reply to Re: link, posted by Dr. Bob on December 7, 2002, at 19:19:25
Another discussion of lethal drug dosages
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030106/msgs/135349.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/19990601/msgs/7511.html
>
> Here's something more specific:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20000926/msgs/45550.html
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> I've deleted that section of Miller's post.
>
> Bob
>
> PS: Sorry not to have been available lately, the whole university email system went down! :-(
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 13, 2003, at 4:41:53
In reply to Check this thread please » Dr. Bob, posted by OddipusRex on January 12, 2003, at 18:25:13
> Another discussion of lethal drug dosages
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030106/msgs/135349.htmlHmm, you're right, I've deleted the dosages. The post was meant to be supportive, but it could've been sent by email instead. And even if the dosages are available elsewhere, that doesn't mean they have to be available here. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dinah on January 13, 2003, at 8:10:25
In reply to Re: Checked this thread, posted by Dr. Bob on January 13, 2003, at 4:41:53
Sorry Dr. Bob. I didn't mean to get anyone in trouble. It was very helpful to me.
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