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Posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 15:16:44
Please, please let me know if I'm getting this right because I'm trying to follow the rules for my time here.
It seems to me that on the boards now, civility means posting only "supportive" things. That means if you disagree with someone, you just don't post.
Am I correct? So if you agree, post away. But if you don't agree, don't post.
And looking in the dictionary, the closest thing to that seems to be the thought of "help" or "assistance".
Is that it?
Posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 15:19:43
In reply to My take on what is allowable on Babble now?, posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 15:16:44
Posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 15:20:56
In reply to My take on what is allowable on Babble now?, posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 15:16:44
(I'm using the dictionary because Dr. Bob had mentioned it being helpful re: swearwords and such before):
civility: "a polite act or expression"
also - courteous: "marked by respect for and consideration of others" - well, that's nice.
or having to do with a court, but that doesn't seem to fit... that's a joke. ;)
Posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 15:22:05
In reply to I am beginning to agree with you. (nm) » krazy kat , posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 15:19:43
I feel that if I "know" what is expected, it will easier to be supportive. :)
Posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 15:38:33
In reply to My take on what is allowable on Babble now?, posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 15:16:44
I'm not being sarcastic here, but this is truly my take on it... Apparently the attitude of the boards is supposed to be all sweet and hunky-dorey... always positive and uplifting, supportive without disagreements or conflicts (wouldn't that be heavenly). That is a very tall order from MOST people; not just depressed, OCD, bipolar, and people with other afflictions that come here. I'm now a general poster, posting nothing of great significance, for fear of PBC's and XYZ's. I mostly lurk now, and will probably soon fade because of expectations that are almost unreachable.
Posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 15:58:02
In reply to My take is... » krazy kat , posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 15:38:33
It just occured to me I better clarify that as well!
Just trying to sort it out as I have been for the last six months or so... :)
Feel free to email me anytime.
Posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 16:03:59
In reply to My take is... » krazy kat , posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 15:38:33
I'd hate to see you fade away. I know I haven't responded to your email to me about the new site but right now it IS so new that only a few of us are feeling it out, so to speak. You do have my email address though & I'd be happy to talk with you through that medium. Sometimes, I don't answer immediately though, depending on my mood & what I need to do.
For everyone to agree & be completely, utterly supportive to others is impossible. There's just too many different views & opinions that we hold. To support someone who posts something that one totally disagrees with, & not only that, but feels strongly is wrong, is impossible. So Bob would prefer we don't say anything. That's his decision.
But not to exaggerate the situation, what if no one spoke out about the wrongs that happened in Germany in the '30s & '40s? Just one example, admittedly a far cry from here. But people who agree all lovey-dovey with each other are either drugged into passiveness or indoctrinated. I'd prefer disagreements & a choice to discuss them too rather than a phoney utopia.
Posted by mair on July 23, 2002, at 16:14:24
In reply to My take is... » krazy kat , posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 15:38:33
Sandra
How frequently do you really feel hamstrung here with any post that doesn't involve a "lou related" issue? I think the Lou firestorms have carried us to absurd limits of semantic gymnastics, which are pretty dizzying to me. I think these discussions have stripped people of reason and certainly of patience. Even though the conversations about what is civil or supportive are purportedly aimed at working out generic guidelines, they really are all about how we can respond to Lou, IMO. If you take all of these ridiculous threads out of the equation, this can really be a very congenial and affirming place - by no means controversy-free, but without the same sustained overtones of anger and frustration. It's probably unfortunate that you came onto the Board when you did and got caught up in a Lou firestorm as quickly as you did. I continue to hold out some hope that the Board will eventually get back to a place for at least a time, where the most active Board isn't the Admin Board.
I think you've made some real contributions since you arrived.
Mair
Posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 16:51:04
In reply to I wasn't being sarcastic either! » SandraDee, posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 15:58:02
I knew you weren't being sarcastic, and actually (this does belong on admin.) I do like this board overall. Even if I read a Lou related post, and get upset or WANT to come-back and dive into the conversation, I'm much happier when I let his posts just go. I'm glad to see when someone tries to converse with him, and disappointed when it (usually) ends in a PBC for the person trying to converse with him. I'm glad he has a place that hasn't banned him, because IMO I think that's what just adds fuel to his fire. I don't hate him, by any means, I just can't converse with him. I think you have also felt like he doesn't answer questions, or if he tries to answer them, he answers them only a little bit, and not clearly enough for me... you too? I support his right to speak, and to tell his story even if I disagree with some things. I don't find all of what he says supportive or encouraging, but apparently my opinion of supportive and encouraging is different than the good Dr's. :)
Posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 16:53:53
In reply to Re: My take is... » SandraDee, posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 16:03:59
offended that you haven't sent me a link :) I actually have loads of work to do, and the PB boards are consuming more of my time than I'd like hahahaha I'm sure a few of us feel that way, I know Dinah can relate... :) But I'll be waiting. Thanks for responding, and you have my email addy if you need to talk or need support/help.
Posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 16:57:23
In reply to Re: My take is... » SandraDee, posted by mair on July 23, 2002, at 16:14:24
I'm not sure about me making contributions, but I do know that you got me thinking. You are completely right about the overall picture. (See my response to KK). Overall, I do like this place. It's really mainly the "Lou-related" events that seem to upset me most, so thank you for pointing that out to me. I think Dr. Bob has a good idea going when he says to ignore them, actually. Even if I read some of them... and get upset by them... I have been noticing that it sort of fizzles away if I just don't respond to them. Less fuel for the fire, so to speak? I don't know if that makes sense to you. :)
Posted by tabitha on July 24, 2002, at 0:32:00
In reply to My take on what is allowable on Babble now?, posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 15:16:44
Hi KK,
I wouldn't enjoy it much if we could only say happy, upbeat things.
I think Doc Bob has said something to the effect that disagreement is fine. Where I see the civility rules coming in is when "I think this" turns into "you're wrong because you think that" or even "you're a big dumb jerk because you think that", etc, etc.
I'm also glad to see you back, and hope you'll stick around.
tabitha
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 24, 2002, at 2:01:51
In reply to My take is... » krazy kat , posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 15:38:33
> also - courteous: "marked by respect for and consideration of others" - well, that's nice.
>
> krazy katI think so, too.
> Apparently the attitude of the boards is supposed to be all sweet and hunky-dorey... always positive and uplifting, supportive without disagreements or conflicts (wouldn't that be heavenly). That is a very tall order from MOST people; not just depressed, OCD, bipolar, and people with other afflictions that come here.
>
> SandraDeeIt is in fact a tall order. But I myself don't consider "marked by respect for and consideration of others" to necessarily mean "all sweet and hunky-dorey... always positive and uplifting, supportive without disagreements or conflicts". But maybe message boards are like pease porridge:
http://www.geocities.com/enchantedforest/dell/3942/porridge.html
Bob
Posted by ctrlaltndel on July 24, 2002, at 5:58:15
In reply to Re: My take is..., posted by Dr. Bob on July 24, 2002, at 2:01:51
That is an old song from my strange childhood..now it will irritate and be stuck in my head all day ..like porridge..Are you feeling OK ?: )
Posted by Mashogr8 on July 24, 2002, at 10:45:52
In reply to Re: My take is..., posted by Dr. Bob on July 24, 2002, at 2:01:51
Does that mean that a discussion should last nine days hot, cold or in the pot?
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