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Posted by Bekka H. on April 26, 2002, at 9:03:02
Let's have some new exclusionary boards. How about a new board for each religion? Only Jews on the Jewish board, Catholics on the Catholic board, etc, Moslems on the Moslem board, and atheists aren't allowed on any boards.
Next, I propose a Psychobabble medication board ONLY for the most psychopharmacologically knowledgeable people like Cam W., Elizabeth, Old School, etc. Surely, they must feel uncomfortable posting with the less well-informed novices among us. Do they really benefit from my limited knowledge? I doubt it. Let them converse only with each other, and let the novices fend for themselves on their own board.
Next thing you know, the "Old Timers" board members will feel so special, superior and power-hungry, their own exclusionary board won't be enough for them. They'll want to take over all of PB, and no one new will be allowed. The old timers will take over, eventually they'll lose interest or die off, and PB will cease to exist.
In any event, I think the idea of exclusionary boards is great. Let's have as many factions as possible. Now that Dr. Bob has endorsed the concept of "The Other," we know which ones we should hate. After all, it's all for the benefit of our "Mental Health."
Posted by Zo on April 26, 2002, at 20:55:44
In reply to The Others boards, etc., posted by Bekka H. on April 26, 2002, at 9:03:02
There's us, okay, that I see. .
but then there are all these. . .Others!When we change, it's so understandable, even touching
Unlike their inferior, unsettling ways.Do we love them, or do we hate them?
Are they here for us, or gone?
Did they even say goodbye?What time will they be back?
Never? Thanks, but now I'd like a better answer.Who gave you the right to touch my lifein this way?
I didn't do anything wrong (did I?)I just want things to stay the same.
I love you so much, our love makes me feel
I. .. Am. .. Never. . . Separate.If you really loved me, you wouldn't do this.
If you were a Good Other, this would not be happening.
If you were Mentally Healthy, this would all be moot.Besides, PB2000 is fucked. As a concept.
Dear 2000 Member, Do you think of me,
when you're in there? Do I think of you?Dear Universal Force, Exactly why
did so many Others die, on 9/11,
and my friends and I did not?Dear Mr. President,
My children's lives are in your hands!
You must change your notion of Otherness!Dear Beloved, Your Otherness
is so dear to me. This is the sweetest time,
our love is never going to end.Dear Friend, Your absence diminishes my life
by alll your richness that is gone. . .Dear Grandfather, Beth, Sar. .
I would so love to know. . .Do you remember, when you die?
Posted by jay on April 27, 2002, at 1:32:24
In reply to The Others [contains adult language], posted by Zo on April 26, 2002, at 20:55:44
Posted by beardedlady on April 27, 2002, at 6:44:19
In reply to Was this really needed??? (nm) » Zo, posted by jay on April 27, 2002, at 1:32:24
Jay:
Were you asking if Zo's post was needed or if the 2000 board was needed? (Or were you asking if the cuss alert was necessary?)
beardy : )>
Posted by Phil on April 27, 2002, at 10:52:46
In reply to The Others boards, etc., posted by Bekka H. on April 26, 2002, at 9:03:02
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Next thing you know, the "Old Timers" board members will feel so special, superior and power-hungry, their own exclusionary board won't be enough for them. They'll want to take over all of PB, and no one new will be allowed. The old timers will take over, eventually they'll lose interest or die off, and PB will cease to exist.*Vomit!*
Now that Dr. Bob has endorsed the concept of "The Other," we know which ones we should hate.
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Is that what this is all about...hate? IMHO, you
have just said some of the meanest statements ever posted on any board since it's inception.
I'm not kidding here, your post about segregation and now this. In who's heart does hatred live, Bekka?
I am not trying to be ugly here but are you okay?
Do you really mean what you're saying?
Do you really hate us and think we're power-hungry? If these are your beliefs, I feel sorry for you.Sincerely,
Phil
Posted by tina on April 27, 2002, at 11:31:09
In reply to Bekka...Are you serious about this post?, posted by Phil on April 27, 2002, at 10:52:46
I think you're going WAY too far here Bekka. Breathe........
Posted by Bekka H. on April 27, 2002, at 14:25:19
In reply to Bekka...Are you serious about this post?, posted by Phil on April 27, 2002, at 10:52:46
No, I don't hate. Apparently you misunderstood, but, Phil, I must say, you are one of the last people on this board who should be complaining about "mean" posts. Perhaps you should look up "projection" in a psychiatric dictionary.
My point is that the creation of SEGREGATED, EXCLUSIONARY boards, and the endorsement of them by Dr. Bob, is precisely the sort of behavior that leads to problems like hate and wars. As I said earlier, I am appalled that Dr. Bob, who has been trained in mental health, would collaborate with the members who wanted to engage in this behavior. Psychobabble is NOT an affluent country club. And it is NOT a college or university with reunions. I thought it was a MENTAL *HEALTH* community, but apparently I was wrong.
Shortly after I joined PB, I recall responding to some of Mark H.'s queries on the PB medication board. He was quite grateful to me for the help I was able to offer him. Now imagine if only he and other "old-timers" had been allowed to post on that board. Chances are, I wouldn't have even bothered reading his questions, but even if I had, I wouldn't have been able to respond/post. I think I have been quite helpful and supportive to many members over the few months that I have been a member here. While I don't have the vast psychopharmacologic knowledge of someone like Cam W., I do think I have a lot to offer; however, since the creation of those asinine, dysfunctional, SEGREGATED boards, I have voiced my opinion about them in various ways, including some sarcastic posts. Mark H. and other old-timers have benefited from some of my posts, and I (a relative newcomer) have benefited from both old-timers' and newcomers' posts. The segregated boards prevent us from benefiting from each others' experiences and knowledge. Earlier today, I looked at some of the posts on the 2000 old-timers' board, and I saw some medication-related posts that did not appear on PB. I do have some questions about those posts, but I am unable to respond to them.
I am concerned that Dr. Bob, a psychiatrist, has collaborated in the creation of the SEGREGATED boards. Yesterday, another member referred to this as dysfunctional and, indeed, it is.
Until Dr. Bob introduced SEGREGATION into Psychobabble, I had a really good feeling about this place. I was so happy to have found it. Now, however, much of that good feeling is gone. I will continue to read the Psychobabble medication board, but I am not going to participate/post again. Psychobabble is a wonderful idea and a wonderful resource, but since the creation of the exclusionary groups, it is clear that there is something insidious and downright WRONG going on here, and I don't wish to be a part of it.
Posted by Phil on April 27, 2002, at 15:25:27
In reply to Bekka...Are you serious about this post? -Phil, posted by Bekka H. on April 27, 2002, at 14:25:19
I think you are overreacting but if that's what you really believe, you've definately got the right to say it.
Posted by Phil on April 27, 2002, at 15:39:53
In reply to Bekka...Are you serious about this post? -Phil, posted by Bekka H. on April 27, 2002, at 14:25:19
you are right. Went over the edge, I'm sorry.
I'm usually a happy-go-lucky deeply depressed person now I'm mean. No wonder my cat is the only one that likes me. Here, kitty kitty...uh-oh
While we're talking, do you own a cat? If you're ever feeling blue, pick off a small piece of a Power Bar and watch him eat it. I truly think it's funnier than a dog eating peanut butter.
Now...this is important stuff.Phil
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 28, 2002, at 9:16:28
In reply to Bekka...Are you serious about this post? -Phil, posted by Bekka H. on April 27, 2002, at 14:25:19
> I think the idea of exclusionary boards is great. Let's have as many factions as possible. Now that Dr. Bob has endorsed the concept of "The Other," we know which ones we should hate.
I guess hating is a form of bonding, but isn't it possible to come together in a more positive way?
> Next thing you know, the "Old Timers" board members will feel so special, superior and power-hungry, their own exclusionary board won't be enough for them. They'll want to take over all of PB, and no one new will be allowed.
>
> Bekka H.That's your fear? That you're going to end up completely excluded? Abandoned?
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> Do we love them, or do we hate them?
> Are they here for us, or gone?
> Did they even say goodbye?
>
> What time will they be back?
> Never? Thanks, but now I'd like a better answer.
>
> Who gave you the right to touch my lifein this way?
> I didn't do anything wrong (did I?)
>
> I just want things to stay the same.
>
> I love you so much, our love makes me feel
> I. .. Am. .. Never. . . Separate.
>
> If you really loved me, you wouldn't do this.
> If you were a Good Other, this would not be happening.
> If you were Mentally Healthy, this would all be moot.I think they're here for you, but would also like some time to themselves -- maybe partly because they also want things to stay the same (the way they were for them). It's not that you did anything wrong. Try not to take this personally.
Loving but being separate can be hard.
> Besides, PB2000 is fucked. As a concept.
>
> ZoMaybe, but please be civil and don't use language that might offend others.
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> Phil, I must say, you are one of the last people on this board who should be complaining about "mean" posts. Perhaps you should look up "projection" in a psychiatric dictionary.
Please be civil and don't post anything that others could take as accusatory.
> My point is that the creation of SEGREGATED, EXCLUSIONARY boards, and the endorsement of them by Dr. Bob, is precisely the sort of behavior that leads to problems like hate and wars... Psychobabble is NOT an affluent country club. And it is NOT a college or university with reunions. I thought it was a MENTAL *HEALTH* community, but apparently I was wrong.
Why is it OK for country clubs and college reunions, but not mental health communities, to be exclusionary?
> Shortly after I joined PB, I recall responding to some of Mark H.'s queries on the PB medication board. He was quite grateful to me for the help I was able to offer him. Now imagine if only he and other "old-timers" had been allowed to post on that board. Chances are, I wouldn't have even bothered reading his questions, but even if I had, I wouldn't have been able to respond/post.
If someone wants as much input as possible, they won't post only to an exclusionary board. And even if they do, others can still respond -- as long as they redirect their replies.
> I think I have been quite helpful and supportive to many members over the few months that I have been a member here.
Try not to take it personally. This isn't happening because you haven't been supportive.
> I do think I have a lot to offer
>
> Bekka H.But shouldn't people have the option of choosing whom to ask for support? People are free to come here, for example, instead of turning to those in their "real" lives. Isn't that excluding them? Do they have nothing to offer?
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I haven't checked this out systematically, but aren't there more people from 2001 asking to have the 2000 board opened up than vice versa? Why would that be?
Bob
Posted by Zo on April 29, 2002, at 17:31:55
In reply to Re: exclusion and separation (and please be civil), posted by Dr. Bob on April 28, 2002, at 9:16:28
The Others is not "personal expression. "
Those are not "my feelings. "
I'd just read a zillion posts and was reflecting upon them, and that was the result.
But the "I" is not me. It's a piece of writing.
Sorry that wasn't made clear.
Zo
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