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Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 24, 2020, at 22:58:30
there's alot of people hooked on pain meds, i mean its not like a bad, society is medicated, and when these opiods are taken away, i've seen in rehabs, they are miserable.
But wide spread, long time ago in the early 1900s, and also in the civil war. That is when morphine was first discovered to be addiction. Civil war soldiers frequently asked for more morphine, and actually....this has happened before, in the 1800s early 1900s, there was a opion crisis, but it wasnt like prescption like hydrocoddone, or oxycodone, it was first main ones - back then such as morphine, heroin, opium.
I read in early medical research, doctors were aware of opiod addiction back then, and they knew when people asked for it, it was ana addiction. They came out with barbiturates, and they barbiturates early on, to treat opiate craving or a substitute for it. But barbiturates, they didnt know how dangerous they were, there more dangerous than opiates. Kicking a barbiturate habit, if it was like amobarbital - came out in 1923, they used it... they had names for them, blue heavens, and if you suddenly stop them you would have seizures and all types of bad things, they used them for substitute for morphine addiction.
So, i think today, people are on, take them only mild pain, and they become a required intake, too many people. They only alternative i read is suboxone, and buprenorphine. They even advertise buprenorphine on commercials in US. It's less potent, very mild opiate, to substitute. But, im not trying to convey anyways, but i've seen people who are taken off opioid medication, they become depressed, and miserable, when i was in rehab i saw it.
Once the opiate receptors have started in the brain, and become frequently hit, that's causes addiction. And not having that feeling makes you depressed. But more than that, benzos are another thing, frequently prescribed for anxiety, wide spread prescribing of them is common. So, i don't know to say, the term an over medicated society, or dependence issue, i've felt the misery of being taken off medications that i vitally needed. Rehab doctors are always propaganda against them, exaggerate it., but then you go out and see other psychiatrists and pain management they give them like candy. I'm not sure what to describe whats going on, a feel good society, and they compliant to doctors to keep taking opiates or benzos. I don't know how this effects of is bad on society, its not like the epidemic back in 1800, early 1900s where they begged doctors to give them morphine, heroin was actually used as a medication, many people got strung out badly due to those high potency ones. Also fentanyl, is a thing, its 100 times the potency of strong benzo, but i think that's more of a illegal drug, rather than a common prescribed medication.
Does anyone, what do you yall think about a society that's hooked on opiates? it's not like the early 1900s, where it was terrible and people stung out so badly, why doctors made sure it was not prescribed.
anyone? just give a quick thought, anything doesn't have to relate to this post....
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 24, 2020, at 23:15:09
In reply to opiod crisis, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 24, 2020, at 22:58:30
just anything, like how if effects, and the sociology of it.....
i ranted too much on this post, but i've reading about it all over the US
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 24, 2020, at 23:50:20
In reply to opiod crisis, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 24, 2020, at 22:58:30
this article is overview of barbiturates, but yes were used in early years for heron, or morphine dependence or addiction. A substitute, or detox. Amobarbital was used i reed in articles, but there's tons that came out later.
Posted by undopaminergic on February 25, 2020, at 3:01:34
In reply to opiod crisis, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 24, 2020, at 22:58:30
I keep hearing about the prescription painkiller epidemic in the US. I haven't been hearing of it being a problem anywhere else. So I don't know, there seems to be something to it, but here in North Europe, it is difficult to get opioids even if you need them.
-undopaminergic
Posted by alexandra_k on February 26, 2020, at 23:29:26
In reply to Re: opiod crisis, posted by undopaminergic on February 25, 2020, at 3:01:34
alcohol, too.
it is a way of keeping people keeping on.
so they don't kill themselves or do something about their sh*tty circumstances (e.g., revolution).
Posted by bleauberry on March 6, 2020, at 18:55:57
In reply to opiod crisis, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 24, 2020, at 22:58:30
Well, here is a real life story from my own family that is profound.
A brother has significant back pain with Scoliosis. The only thing that worked for it was Percocet. For years he was prescribe Percocet because it worked. So obviously he was very addicted and dependent by then. But it was used properly, not as recreation or as an addiction. It was prescribed monthly and monitored.
He had to sign contracts with the doctor before starting this treatment. In the contract he agreed to periodic drug screen tests and was told if they ever found marijuana, cocaine, or other drugs in the test, they would stop the Percocet.
One day they found marijuana in his test. He says he doesn't know how it got there. yeah, well, that's another story for another day. But it was there.
They weaned him off of Percocet in just 2 weeks - this is after being on it for years! He went through a terrible depression and withdrawal from it for weeks, and of course it lasted for a year. He had no assistance during that time - no suboxetine, no anxiety meds, no psych meds, no nothing!
He made it. He somehow survived. So the moral of this story is, an opioid addict CAN quit cold turkey with no help. Not saying it's easy. But it has been done.
Here's the real irony of it all. Just this year his doctor - the same doctor - prescribed medical marijuiana!!!!
Oh my. He goes through a year of hell having his Percocet taken away from him because he had marijuana in his system, which was supposedly a bad thing, and then fast forward a couple years that same freaking doctor prescribes marijuana!
Wow. Just wow.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on March 8, 2020, at 1:43:24
In reply to Re: opiod crisis, posted by bleauberry on March 6, 2020, at 18:55:57
i know, there's patients that have medical evidence such as stimulant, or doses is not working, and they just keep it. Yet another patient who has little problems they bumb their dose up high. Medical ethics error
opioid removal really does make someone miserable, i saw it when i was rehab, 3 patients they were bad mood, miserable, asking for just suboxone and were not given it. Medical ethics errors in the system all time.
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