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Posted by bleauberry on February 3, 2019, at 9:26:50
I'm going to bed around 10pm and waking by midnight or 1am. And then I just toss and turn without sleeping until the sun comes up. I have never slept this bad my whole life. It's awful. It's depressing. It's causing depression. Crying fits. You can't heal from anything if you can't sleep. I am stuck there at the moment.
Tried Benadryl 25mg. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Tried 50mg, again, nothing, but gave me a terrible headache and a bad day of depression.
Tried my old dependable standbys Passionflower, Lemon Balm and Skullcap before bed. They gave a nice warm natural feeling sleep but I still woke at midnight and it was hell after that. Tonight I may try double doses of those and maybe add Valerian.
Zyprexa was the second-best sleep I ever had in my life and I wouldn't mind about 2.5mg of that right now.
Ritalin was the best sleep of my life and I just got a prescription for that filled.
Mold toxins somehow upset the phenylalanine chemistry in our bodies. Which obviously would tie directly into mood, sleep and energy. That's what it feels like - too much adrenaline. The louder whistling in my ear tells me something is going on, and I know from experience in the past that my tinnitus is related to the noradrenaline circuitry.
GABA supplements maybe. Might try that.
Lunesta would be awesome tonight if I had one. But I don't.
I am, quite frankly, shocked at how rapidly my health went from relatively stable to train wreck. And the only new thing is mold toxins.
Posted by Radish on February 3, 2019, at 9:54:38
In reply to Terrible Insomnia, posted by bleauberry on February 3, 2019, at 9:26:50
Thats really awful. I know all too well another bad effect of insomnia is you cant that chance at a subtle reset effect of a good night sleep on your mental state. Hopefully the Ritalin does you good.
Posted by bleauberry on February 4, 2019, at 6:56:45
In reply to Re: Terrible Insomnia, posted by Radish on February 3, 2019, at 9:54:38
I had forgotten all about magnesium. This is, I think, a highly beneficial supplement for psychiatry, especially for anxiety, tremors, sleep, and the production of dopamine and serotonin.
So I took 100mg of MgGlycinate with Lemon Balm (herbal GABA agonist) at 8pm and another 100mg at 10pm and I got almost 4 hours of good natural sleep.
Each day is a major challenged. Each day requires creative thinking and maybe a few google searches. That's how I was reminded of Mg.
Mg in psychiatry, I believe, is better than Lithium for the same purposes as Lithium.
Posted by bleauberry on February 5, 2019, at 14:20:03
In reply to Terrible Insomnia, posted by bleauberry on February 3, 2019, at 9:26:50
So last night was totally sleepless.
I did common herbal sedatives early in the evening and again doubled up on them again two hours later, with magnesium, and yet, at 2am I was still wide awake. I got up and did yet one more batch of all the herbs. Sat in a recliner in the dark for a while before going back to bed.
I passed out at 3am and was wide awake again at 3:45am.
The one herb I did not have was probably the most important one - Valerian root.
I just filled a prescription for Lunesta. I anticipate I will have some negative side effects the next morning. I just want to sleep.
Mold toxins - Aflatoxin and Ochratoxin - block dopamine, serotonin, and GABA. They disrupt the entire sleep-mood-cortisol complex in a bad way. I have no way to prove it but my gut instinct is that there are a lot more people with this.
Sometimes the cocktails make sense. For example if someone has Mycotoxiosis but doesn't know it - most don't know - then they will need help in the dopamine department, the serotonin department, the GABA department, and the mechanisms for all those would not be predictable in advance, though you could assume you want agonist-like activity.
I can see how a mold toxic psychiatric patient could experience improvement on something like an SSRI with a Stimulant, and maybe an antipsychotic to help block the toxins at the receptors and to indirectly cause the release of new transmitters.
So anyway. Tonight goes to Lunesta as an emergency fix. Tomorrow goes to Valerian with the other herbs supporting it. And magnesium.
Fingers crossed. None of us can get better without sleep.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 5, 2019, at 22:56:06
In reply to Terrible Insomnia, posted by bleauberry on February 3, 2019, at 9:26:50
there's valerian root, but for some reason it lasts very short, only like an hour.....you get a sense of relaxation, but it lasts very short.....it's kinda like halcion benzo, it hits you really hard and full of relaxation then it wears off an hour later, but valerian is not as potent
you may look into ... there's basics like kava, magnesium, red wine, magnesium.....melatonin maybe help, also l-theanine
i don't know exactly where live, but at some stores they have a mixture of herbal sleep medicines you can buy, that mix valerian, passionflower, herbal anxiety medications.
Posted by bleauberry on February 6, 2019, at 12:09:59
In reply to Re: Terrible Insomnia, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 5, 2019, at 22:56:06
Good ideas! Thank you. I'll look at some of that.
> there's valerian root, but for some reason it lasts very short, only like an hour.....you get a sense of relaxation, but it lasts very short.....it's kinda like halcion benzo, it hits you really hard and full of relaxation then it wears off an hour later, but valerian is not as potent
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> you may look into ... there's basics like kava, magnesium, red wine, magnesium.....melatonin maybe help, also l-theanine
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> i don't know exactly where live, but at some stores they have a mixture of herbal sleep medicines you can buy, that mix valerian, passionflower, herbal anxiety medications.
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