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Posted by Franz on June 23, 2016, at 0:40:38
I am trying .5 mg at night and may add some in the morning.
Coffe?
Not an SSRI for now.
Posted by Christ_empowered on June 23, 2016, at 4:40:09
In reply to How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam?, posted by Franz on June 23, 2016, at 0:40:38
can you get an Rx for a different bzd? I found equivalent doses of ativan got the job done w/o the mood dampening effect. Valium is still popular in some countries, and it also does the job w/o near as much depression. xanax/xanax xr would obviously be a good choice if low mood is a problem.
I don't know about countering the low mood. That seems like a bad idea, intuitively. Having said that...maybe wellbutrin? Just a random thought.
Good luck!
Posted by Franz on June 23, 2016, at 10:10:32
In reply to Re: How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam?, posted by Christ_empowered on June 23, 2016, at 4:40:09
> can you get an Rx for a different bzd? I found equivalent doses of ativan got the job done w/o the mood dampening effect. Valium is still popular in some countries, and it also does the job w/o near as much depression. xanax/xanax xr would obviously be a good choice if low mood is a problem.
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> I don't know about countering the low mood. That seems like a bad idea, intuitively. Having said that...maybe wellbutrin? Just a random thought.
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> Good luck!Thanks
Why is it a bad idea to counter low mood?
I was taking low dose alprazolam but it is short acting and I read it can affect hormones which is a problem I have (male), not sure if related.
Posted by jonhed on June 23, 2016, at 16:34:06
In reply to Re: How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam?, posted by Franz on June 23, 2016, at 10:10:32
Sorry, but can it be that 0.5mg is an extremely low dose?
I use to get real depressed on low doses of benzodiazepines.
Start with 2mg and see if that works and evaluate from there. :-)
Maybe you need 4mg , who knows.I started klonopin for the first time ever yesterday, and was prescribed 2mg as an initial dose.
I feel more social forward and was at work 6 hours on my day off today.
On the 4/7 i start memantine as my doctor sais it could reverse and slow down tolerance from the anxioulytic effects you get from benzos.I will update you on it. I have high hopes!
And like i said, i don't think klonopin is the problem, the problem is the dose..
I get anxious at 1mg xanax to because it's so freaking low, and some people do..
Posted by jonhed on June 23, 2016, at 16:44:11
In reply to Re: How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam?, posted by Christ_empowered on June 23, 2016, at 4:40:09
It's good for you guys who find 1mg ativan to get the job done, and 10mg valium.
Someone here said to me that the standard dose for diazepam was 40mg, 20 in the morning and 20 in the night, for like 20 years ago. Can't remember who said it but it was some long timer here.
I think it makes sense. That is 2mg klonopin and 4mg ativan and 2mg xanax.
But i don't think you should think like that, because it isn't doable to have 160mg valium, but it's not unusual to have 9mg alprazolam for instanse, or 6mg klonopin (which is like 100 diazepam).
It's different mechanism and you all know that.
Please, try 2mg klonopin at least before you go off it. 0.5 says absolutely nothing.
Posted by jonhed on June 23, 2016, at 16:47:09
In reply to Re: How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam?, posted by jonhed on June 23, 2016, at 16:44:11
And i think it's dangerous behavior from the doctor to give some people 5mg diazepam in the morning and 5 in the evening. because they know that it often causes depression when the anxiolytic effect never have the chance to break through.
Posted by Franz on June 23, 2016, at 22:09:24
In reply to Re: How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam?, posted by jonhed on June 23, 2016, at 16:34:06
> Sorry, but can it be that 0.5mg is an extremely low dose?
>
> I use to get real depressed on low doses of benzodiazepines.
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> Start with 2mg and see if that works and evaluate from there. :-)
> Maybe you need 4mg , who knows.
>
> I started klonopin for the first time ever yesterday, and was prescribed 2mg as an initial dose.
> I feel more social forward and was at work 6 hours on my day off today.
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> On the 4/7 i start memantine as my doctor sais it could reverse and slow down tolerance from the anxioulytic effects you get from benzos.
>
> I will update you on it. I have high hopes!
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> And like i said, i don't think klonopin is the problem, the problem is the dose..
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> I get anxious at 1mg xanax to because it's so freaking low, and some people do..
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>
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>You are right that I have a resistance to take doses that are more standards. I try to take the lowest dose. possible.
Anyway,I am not the only one that considers clonazepam depressant.
I definitively agree that benzos are pro social.
Posted by jonhed on June 24, 2016, at 4:30:41
In reply to Re: How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam? » jonhed, posted by Franz on June 23, 2016, at 22:09:24
I know.. and you're right.
I'm just so worried that i am going to get depressed this time to, so upping the dose and adding memantine to reverse the tolerance is experimental for me, but i am SO worried that the clonazepam-depression is going to set in.
Cause it has before, so i know what you mean..
Was just trying to give you tips to avoid the depression, and to "pepp" myself to give it a try and not take it out in forehand.
If the depression comes, yeah then i have failed once again.
The message was never ment to sound angry or something in that way, i'm just scared to..
But don't you think that if memantine are reversing the tolerance, that you should be able to get the initial "benzo feeling" every day, or at least more often. And then the depression may be prevented by that?Cause i think that the depression comes when the anxiolytic/drugging effects disappear.
Hope you're fine! :-) :-)
Posted by Franz on June 24, 2016, at 16:24:00
In reply to Re: How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam?, posted by jonhed on June 24, 2016, at 4:30:41
> I know.. and you're right.
>
> I'm just so worried that i am going to get depressed this time to, so upping the dose and adding memantine to reverse the tolerance is experimental for me, but i am SO worried that the clonazepam-depression is going to set in.
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> Cause it has before, so i know what you mean..
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> Was just trying to give you tips to avoid the depression, and to "pepp" myself to give it a try and not take it out in forehand.
> If the depression comes, yeah then i have failed once again.
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> The message was never ment to sound angry or something in that way, i'm just scared to..
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> But don't you think that if memantine are reversing the tolerance, that you should be able to get the initial "benzo feeling" every day, or at least more often. And then the depression may be prevented by that?
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> Cause i think that the depression comes when the anxiolytic/drugging effects disappear.
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> Hope you're fine! :-) :-)I did not feel any aggression.
Unfortunately I don't know about the use of meantime. I hope it works for you. :)
Posted by Horse on June 28, 2016, at 13:38:12
In reply to Re: How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam?, posted by Franz on June 23, 2016, at 10:10:32
There is an extended release xanax, which I took for many year, although I haven't read about hormone affect.
I don't know how I'd counter the effect. Strong coffee? I took it briefly and could not handle that side effect. I felt very depressed, and needed to discontinue.
Posted by porkpiehat on June 30, 2016, at 11:41:19
In reply to How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam?, posted by Franz on June 23, 2016, at 0:40:38
> I am trying .5 mg at night and may add some in the morning.
>
> Coffe?
> Not an SSRI for now.Can you describe the klonopin depression? I have been taking .5 mg klonopin for years and I"m wondering if it is happenning
Cheers
Posted by Ruuudy on July 2, 2016, at 18:13:38
In reply to Re: How can I compensate the low mood on clonazepam? » Franz, posted by porkpiehat on June 30, 2016, at 11:41:19
> > I am trying .5 mg at night and may add some in the morning.
> >
> > Coffe?
> > Not an SSRI for now.
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> Can you describe the klonopin depression? I have been taking .5 mg klonopin for years and I"m wondering if it is happenning
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> Cheers
>I, too, am interested in hearing.
Like porkpiehat, I have been supplementing fluoxetine with .5mg of Klonopin (clonazepam).
Thanks!
Rudy
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