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Posted by SLS on June 19, 2016, at 2:17:59
In reply to Re: Does abilify cause weight gain in most people?, posted by SLS on June 19, 2016, at 2:05:59
Don't forget to look at Vraylar (cariprazine) if you are responsive to Abilify. I don't know about the long term weight gain. Very few people have taken it for very long. I tried it several weeks ago. I did not like the way I felt on it. I'm back on Abilify again. However, Phidippus reported great success with it for depression as an adjunct.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 19, 2016, at 8:30:08
In reply to Re: Does abilify cause weight gain in most people?, posted by SLS on June 19, 2016, at 2:05:59
> You might just want to try the drug and evaluate for yourself how your unique physiology reacts to it. Otherwise, you will never know. If you don't like it, and feel that you still have alternatives, just stop taking it any time you want using an appropriate taper. It is my impression that the weight gain with Abilify is not dosage-dependent. If you have not gained any weight at 2 mg/day, you might not gain any weight at 20 mg/day. However, the weight gain is often delayed in onset and insideous in its development.
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> - ScottFriends,
The poster here writes,[...You just might want to try the drug and evaluate it yourself...Otherwise you will never know....].
Be not deceived. You could know without following Scott's conclusion which is false. Mr. Hsiung allows Scott an open posting being immune from his enforcement policy in his own TOS. This could lead to your death or addiction or life-ruining condition by thinking that Mr. Hsiung is validating what Scott is proposing as being supportive, for Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence. "Otherwise you will NEVER know"? What a farce! You could know by knowing the research concerning this drug that could cause death. Mr. Hsiung is allowing Scott to post what is against his rules as overgeneralizing and jumping to a conclusion.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 19, 2016, at 9:02:39
In reply to Lou's urgent warning- » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on June 19, 2016, at 8:30:08
> > You might just want to try the drug and evaluate for yourself how your unique physiology reacts to it. Otherwise, you will never know. If you don't like it, and feel that you still have alternatives, just stop taking it any time you want using an appropriate taper. It is my impression that the weight gain with Abilify is not dosage-dependent. If you have not gained any weight at 2 mg/day, you might not gain any weight at 20 mg/day. However, the weight gain is often delayed in onset and insideous in its development.
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> > - Scott
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> Friends,
> The poster here writes,[...You just might want to try the drug and evaluate it yourself...Otherwise you will never know....].
> Be not deceived. You could know without following Scott's conclusion which is false. Mr. Hsiung allows Scott an open posting being immune from his enforcement policy in his own TOS. This could lead to your death or addiction or life-ruining condition by thinking that Mr. Hsiung is validating what Scott is proposing as being supportive, for Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence. "Otherwise you will NEVER know"? What a farce! You could know by knowing the research concerning this drug that could cause death. Mr. Hsiung is allowing Scott to post what is against his rules as overgeneralizing and jumping to a conclusion.
> LouFriends,
The being in concert with Mr. Hsiung here could greatly mislead and distort the facts being promoted here that could lead to life-ruining conditions and addiction and death. You do not have to die or become addicted or receive a life-ruining condition from Abilify to know what this drug could do to you.
I am prevented from posting here by Mr. Hsiung what I know that could open your mind to understanding how these drugs are allowed to be seen as "medicines" when they do not treat a disease or cure. And I could show you how Scott along with his followers here could seriously mislead readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are. That deception by Scott and Mr. Hsiung in concert could cause the death of children, your death, and the deaths of innocent people being gunned downed by people taking these drugs that are known to cause the drugger to want to kill themselves and others. The mechanism of how these drugs induce that mind-set is known, yet today, psychiatrists in concert with the FDA and the drug makers are legally allowed to pander drugs that kill thousands of people each and every month. This site is allowed to have members advertise these drugs without posting the adverse consequences that could befall those duped into thinking that these drugs could not kill them or addict them or cause life-ruining conditions. Scott's promotion of Abilify here could make him an accessory to the deaths of people that take this drug as a result of reading here to think that a psychiatrist is promoting this drug as being safer than it really is through Scott, or worse, that there are no consequences at all to taking this drug. And do you know what Abilify is? I do. And there are people that learn what the drug is and have the horrible experience of thinking that they are the biggest fools of all.
Lou
Posted by linkadge on June 19, 2016, at 12:23:30
In reply to Lou's urgent warning- » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on June 19, 2016, at 8:30:08
Hey Lou,
I don't often address your comments.
FYI, nobody is listening to your advice. Go somewhere that you are being paid attention to.
You're just wasting your own time.
Linkadge
Posted by jonhed on June 19, 2016, at 17:00:26
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by linkadge on June 19, 2016, at 12:23:30
I don't agree.
Lou has the right to be here just as much as you and i have.
Posted by Phillipa on June 19, 2016, at 17:30:04
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by jonhed on June 19, 2016, at 17:00:26
I most definitely agree with Link!!!!! Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 19, 2016, at 18:49:00
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by linkadge on June 19, 2016, at 12:23:30
> Hey Lou,
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> I don't often address your comments.
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> FYI, nobody is listening to your advice. Go somewhere that you are being paid attention to.
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> You're just wasting your own time.
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> LinkadgeLink,
You wrote,[...nobody is listening to your advice...You're just wasting your own time...].
I see otherwise. For instance, there has been a backing off of those attacking me here. In particular, Larry Hoover has stopped his attack on me. Scott has stopped advocating others to not respond to me. Robert Burton has stopped his attack on me.
And there has not been a post with anti-Semitic propaganda posted recently. And more, I saw a post by Bleu that attributed his/her recovery to faith in the God that the Jews give service and worship to. And more, I have not seen a death reported here in a year or so.
Could people here been reading what I post and becoming awakened? Is the Spirit of Truth that is hovering over this site soaring and swooping down with healing in His wings? Is the Great Deception being exposed here?
Lou
Posted by linkadge on June 19, 2016, at 20:14:56
In reply to Lou's reply-the dawn » linkadge, posted by Lou Pilder on June 19, 2016, at 18:49:00
There are many examples of the God of the Torah using earthly means to provide divine healing. Medications can be one such earthly means by which God provides healing to certain individuals.
Do you really think you are doing the work of God by coming here and telling people to stop taking their medications?
I hope you understand that, for many people, their medications keep them from committing suicide. You may not believe this, but it is the truth.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on June 20, 2016, at 10:39:46
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by jonhed on June 19, 2016, at 17:00:26
> I don't agree.
> Lou has the right to be here just as much as you and i have.Actually, posting on Psychbabble is not a right. It is a privilege afforded by the owner and moderator of these forums. In the past, the moderator has blocked people from posting for extended periods of time. Trolls - even mentally ill trolls - are discouraged from posting if they do not adhere to the posting guidelines as described in the FAQ. The concept of enforcible civility in posting behavior sometimes works - sometimes not. Right now, we are having moderate success encouraging each other to remain civil. Exaggeration and overgeneralization, especially where death is concerned, is very much discouraged, and is sanctionable using posting blocks.
- Scott
Posted by jonhed on June 20, 2016, at 12:11:26
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by SLS on June 20, 2016, at 10:39:46
Are you serious SLS?
You have to be privileged to ask for help on this forum?I spent TWO whole years reading this forum 4 to 7 times a day to get information and advises for my crippling mental illness, and you say that it has been a privilege afforded by the owner to even get your voice heard?
Then F*CK this forum, and shame on you all who look down on mentally ill people who are not as privileged as you old posters seem to be.
I have never ever in my life felt so dumb.
Silly silly me thinking this was a humane forum.
Sorry for even sharing my thoughts and caring about people here.
Oh, i can't describe in words how wrong this is from a humane perspective, and especially from so many self diagnosed doctors here who thinks that they have all the right information.
Shame on you!!!!!
Posted by Tabitha on June 20, 2016, at 15:29:46
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by jonhed on June 20, 2016, at 12:11:26
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> Shame on you!!!!!This controversy arises over and over, and people tend to take one of two sides. Should we
1) insist that everyone adhere to community guidelines (including avoiding exaggerating and over-generalizing, and keeping religious posts on the Faith board)OR should we
2) be tolerant and protective toward the most atypical members of this community?You obviously are wanting to do Option 2. Is it really so offensive that others want to do Option 1?
Posted by SLS on June 20, 2016, at 16:10:03
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by jonhed on June 20, 2016, at 12:11:26
There are very few "rights" on the Internet. However, one of them is for the owner of a bulleton board to be selective as to who to allow to post on in. Your attempt to shame me doesn't change the fact that gross exaggerations regarding suicide are uncivil according to the rules of this forum.
- Scott
Posted by addinbc on June 20, 2016, at 21:11:23
In reply to Re: Does abilify cause weight gain in most people?, posted by Christ_empowered on June 18, 2016, at 19:54:38
I am taking Wellbutrin and cymbalta too (cymbalta has been weight neutral for me). Could the Wellbutrin mitigate any possible weight gain from abilify?
Weird....one poster said the weight gain is immediate and rapid, and another slow and insidious. I guess as always, YMMV.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 21, 2016, at 9:18:25
In reply to Re: » jonhed, posted by SLS on June 20, 2016, at 16:10:03
> There are very few "rights" on the Internet. However, one of them is for the owner of a bulleton board to be selective as to who to allow to post on in. Your attempt to shame me doesn't change the fact that gross exaggerations regarding suicide are uncivil according to the rules of this forum.
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> - ScottFriends,
Be not misled here by what Scott has posted about me here, as I could be seen as his subject person in his post.
What Scott has posted could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions of me here. This is because there is a false accusation against me posted by Scott that Mr. Hsiung is allowing to be seen here as being supportive. This could show that Mr. Hsiung and Scott are in concert with each other to defame me here as Scott is allowed impunity from Mr. Hsiung's enforcement policy.
The accusation is that, as that I could be seen as Scott's subject person, that I post gross exaggerations regarding suicide.
By Mr. Hsiung allowing Scott to post the false accusation against me here, readers could think that Mr. Hsung is validating the hatred posted by Scott against me. This allows hate to be infused into the minds of readers as being civil which could drag those down into a vortex of hate that could increase their depression and cause suicidal thinking as psychologists have studied hate groups where the leader allows anti-Semitic propaganda to be immune from their enforcement policy. And today, hate groups against the Jews flourish from social media web sites as the owner here posts the swastika, all against his own rules, and refuses my pleas to delete it. That could lead vulnerable readers to hate Jews.
And with Scott having immunity from posting the accusation, readers here could see me stigmatized as an outsider, that is bringing harm to the community, and be used as a scapegoat for the community's real or imagined ills. This turns my stomach.
Never again
Lou
Posted by jonhed on June 21, 2016, at 13:09:50
In reply to Re: » jonhed, posted by SLS on June 20, 2016, at 16:10:03
Okey.. I'm sorry for being angry.
I just hink that everyone should have the right to write here, and especially if the person is in obvious need for it.Lou is human to you know.
But i get what you mean and i'm sorry for being aggressive.
Posted by jonhed on June 21, 2016, at 14:37:04
In reply to Re: options » jonhed, posted by Tabitha on June 20, 2016, at 15:29:46
You're right, it belongs in the faith board.
No.. i't not offensive that others not have the same opinions as me, at least it shouldn't be.
Sometimes i just think that some people (I can't remember exactly which, but it's not important) is very harsh when it comes to Lou.
I really don't think he's a troll, i honestly, hand on my heart, don't think that.
But i Do understand that some people getting sick of the aggressive behavior that Lou is expressing, and yes, it can be very offensive, i know.
But i think we understand each other. Think really hard what i mean by that, really really hard, and you will understand exactly what i mean.
And the thing is that Lou also understands this.
I just feel for people and i know that all of you do to. So sorry for the things i wrote.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 21, 2016, at 15:06:04
In reply to Re: options, posted by jonhed on June 21, 2016, at 14:37:04
> You're right, it belongs in the faith board.
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> No.. i't not offensive that others not have the same opinions as me, at least it shouldn't be.
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> Sometimes i just think that some people (I can't remember exactly which, but it's not important) is very harsh when it comes to Lou.
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> I really don't think he's a troll, i honestly, hand on my heart, don't think that.
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> But i Do understand that some people getting sick of the aggressive behavior that Lou is expressing, and yes, it can be very offensive, i know.
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> But i think we understand each other. Think really hard what i mean by that, really really hard, and you will understand exactly what i mean.
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> And the thing is that Lou also understands this.
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> I just feel for people and i know that all of you do to. So sorry for the things i wrote.jonhed,
You wrote,[...I really don't think he's a troll (Lou)....I honestsly hand in my heart don't think that...].
You made a determination as to if I am a troll or not based on facts that your heart agreed with.
I am interested in what those facts are that you used to make your determination. Could you post here what you used?
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on June 21, 2016, at 15:25:50
In reply to Re: options, posted by jonhed on June 21, 2016, at 14:37:04
> But i think we understand each other. Think really hard what i mean by that, really really hard, and you will understand exactly what i mean.I think so. Like you, I don't think anyone here fits my definition of a troll, and even if they did, I don't think name-calling is helpful. And I agree people are here because they need support (except possibly for the online pharmacy spammers).
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> And the thing is that Lou also understands this.
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> I just feel for people and i know that all of you do to. So sorry for the things i wrote.Thanks for replying and for being empathetic. It's great when people listen and try to meet halfway.
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2016, at 19:35:12
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by jonhed on June 20, 2016, at 12:11:26
Jonhed, I think you are taking SLSs comments the wrong way.
SLSs is not saying that this board is only for an elite group of privileged posters.
The point is that the board here has a purpose. The purpose is to help people through medication related issues.
If you feel that medications are evil and do more harm than good then so be it. Tell people, and then go on with your life. What is the point of sitting here for decades (day in day out) telling people that they are evil for taking medications?
The point is that, this isn't the venue for a constant stream of anti-medication rhetoric.
At least that's the way I see it.
Linakdge
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2016, at 19:36:06
In reply to Re: options » jonhed, posted by Tabitha on June 20, 2016, at 15:29:46
Tolerance taken to the extreme is a form of intolerance
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2016, at 19:47:23
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by jonhed on June 20, 2016, at 12:11:26
>Oh, i can't describe in words how wrong this is >from a humane perspective, and especially from so >many self diagnosed doctors here who thinks that >they have all the right information.
We don't think we have all the right information. Psychobabble is just one of (literally dozens and dozens) of tools that I utilize on my path to staying well. Psychobabble (nor any psychiatrist) has all the answers.
If a psychiatrist told me he had all the answers, I would run as fast as possible the other way.
If you open an encyclopedia Britannica to the chapter on Ford automobiles, do you expect to read an article on gay porn? What happens, if I personally want an article on gay porn published in Britianica under the heading "Ford Automobile". Certainly, I should have the right to do so!! Shouldn't I??
The great part about the internet, is (should you hate medication, psychiatrists, and therapists) there are websites just for you.
Linkadge
Posted by jonhed on June 23, 2016, at 18:04:08
In reply to Re: understanding » jonhed, posted by Tabitha on June 21, 2016, at 15:25:50
Thanks tabitha. I think you also know that sometimes you get angry over things because the life around you is a living hell for that period of time.
And to say "i'm sorry" after, and be tolerated is very kind of you!
Thanks.
Posted by jonhed on June 23, 2016, at 18:17:22
In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2016, at 19:47:23
I'm sorry that you took it personal linkadge..
I had a though day that day and took it out on the wrong people.
And yes, of course you have the right to read Britannica in a erotic way if you want that and gives you pleasure. I'm very liberal as it comes to that sort of things.Some people thinks that automobiles is arousing, and it's nothing wrong with that in my own opinion.
I feel that you may not like me and my opinions about things. Maybe it is because we come from two different worlds?
I think that usa is nice and was sincerely touched when you got the health care thing when obama came in as a president. And i hope that it has changed things for the psychiatry. Cause what i've read, some people need to pay 100 dollar for one month of medications, and that mad.. I hope that obama took care of that and made it free, i don't know.
I don't really know what you are so angry about, but i feel very sad now when i read your post.I just want to help, and emotions is something we all need to express, or else we end up being caught in our self. Angry is a natural way to react, and we should be able to be angry on this forum, right?
My psychiatrist says that anyway.
With no emotions here, this would be a flat and terrible forum.
I hope you're okey linkadge.
Posted by jonhed on June 23, 2016, at 18:24:36
In reply to Re: options » Tabitha, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2016, at 19:36:06
That is your opinion, and you have the right to have it.
I really much like tolerance to an extreme form, cause often people commit suicide when people don't tolerate them as they are.
More than one thinks.And to me, i rather tolerate every opinion one has ever have had here, rather then offend them and have blood on my hands.
Cause mather of fact, no one here has had opinions that could be so offensive that i should be called intolerant.
I can't even make that connection right now.
But i'm sorry if you feel that way.
I will respect you with not posting in your threads. I think it's for the best.
I don't want you to feel worse, or anyone for that mather.
I care about every one here.
Including lou!
Posted by jonhed on June 23, 2016, at 18:47:30
In reply to Lou's request-the determination » jonhed, posted by Lou Pilder on June 21, 2016, at 15:06:04
Lou:
If i understand you question right (i have not english as my first language, this grammar is just what we learned in middle school in sweden, as i dropped out when i was 13 years old lol).
If you're asking how i came up with the assumption that you're not a troll, then my answer is this.
1. Some people feel in their heart what is real and what is not.
2. You do not copy/paste your texts - meaning that you spend to much time here for being a troll.
3. Nothing you write is provocative to me (But you have to understand that everyone isn't me, and maybe cut down on the aggressive stuff..), and a troll would write provocative things rather than religious things.
4. You have a consistent theme that you have had for over a year. That is not something a troll would have.
5. You want to help people get of the meds that you are thinking is dangerous, that's an act of empathy, not a thing you do for messing things up here.
6. You like this thread Lou! Admit it ;-) there's no shame in that!
7. I feel in my heart that you are a nice person, i know it in my heart.
And how do i do that? Know things in my heart?
Take a guess Lou. Black magic? Thelema? Magick?
No.... hehe!!
I just can feel it. I am spiritual to, but in the same caliber as you Lou, in another way.
But also a "light" way, not a "dark" way.But you did know that already didn't you? :-)
Plus we are approximately in the same age and comes from, sort of, the same background, if you know what i mean.
Ask more things if you want!And i will be f*ing mad if you start to conspirating about me now.
So look into your heart before you answer this post from me now.Kind regards / J
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