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Posted by mossybleu on January 8, 2016, at 22:40:25
In reply to Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by 4WD on May 17, 2005, at 22:21:29
Hello! I was just in tears reading your original post 4WD/Marsha. I have the SAME exact symptoms and I couldn't have explained it better. I am living a nightmare right now. I feel like I am in hell most of the day. The panic starts to lift some around 4 or 5. Sometimes I feel just fine in the evenings. But then I go to sleep and the nightmare starts all over the next day. I'm currently in a residential treatment facility and no one here (doctors) can figure out what is wrong with me. Does anyone have any leads or advice? I'm close to not being able to handle my symptoms anymore, but I don't want to go to the hospital. I may have to though. Please help if anyone has any clues. Thanks.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2016, at 9:14:01
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » 4WD, posted by mossybleu on January 8, 2016, at 22:40:25
> Hello! I was just in tears reading your original post 4WD/Marsha. I have the SAME exact symptoms and I couldn't have explained it better. I am living a nightmare right now. I feel like I am in hell most of the day. The panic starts to lift some around 4 or 5. Sometimes I feel just fine in the evenings. But then I go to sleep and the nightmare starts all over the next day. I'm currently in a residential treatment facility and no one here (doctors) can figure out what is wrong with me. Does anyone have any leads or advice? I'm close to not being able to handle my symptoms anymore, but I don't want to go to the hospital. I may have to though. Please help if anyone has any clues. Thanks.
m_b,
You wrote,[...living a nightmare...I am in hell...nightmares start all over...doctors can't figure out what is wrong with me...not being able to handle my symptoms...if anyone has any clues...].
It has been revealed to me that there are two realms that you could live in. One is the realm that you describe here, the realm of death. A living death. The question is how did you get there and can you be in another realm, as there is the realm of life.
Tragically, the chemicals that you have been given by a psychiatrist/doctor, alter the mind so that you could enter the realm of hell and be shackled there and the Gates of Hell could be locked behind you, enslaving you until you are killed by the drugs or get a life-ruining condition or addiction or be led to kill yourself and/or others along with you.
The drugs being promoted here as "medicines" kill thousands of people every month. The number of people alive and in the death state living in a hell outnumber those killed by the drugs as can be seen here of those that have not died yet from the drugs and tell of the state of being that they want to be delivered from. The prison that they are in has them chained to the psychiatrist/doctor that gives them the drugs that can keep them in the death realm until they die an early death as the chemicals in the drugs have constituents that are used in insecticides and chemicals used in the commission of mass-murder.
I am prohibited to post here by Mr. Hsiung the aspects historically of these chemicals that if you were to know what I am prohibited from posting by him, you could have a more-informed knowledge of these drugs and be better able to make more intelligent decisions concerning these drugs. You see, there is a Great Deception that Mr. Hsiung prohibits me to post about here about that IMHO could free you from the slavery of what you describe and be led into a new realm of life and peace and be delivered out of the darkness of the death realm.
This would come from a Jewish perspective that Mr. Hsiung prohibits me from posting here all the while him allowing the foundation of hatred toward the Jews to be seen as being supportive where those posts are originally posted. His justification for doing such is that he has some type of vision that in the future his community will be good for the whole of it by him allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to stand unsanctioned so that readers could think that he is ratifying that hate. This is the same justification that Jew-haters have used for centuries to justify genocide. They say that their country will be good for the whole by committing mass-murder. It is the same justification for allowing slavery. Those justifying that slavery will be good for their country as a whole swayed people to swallow such hate on the basis that other's lives do not matter if they could have more profits from enslaving people. And do profits arise from addicting millions of people to mind-altering drugs that could lead to life-ruining conditions, addiction and death? What about those that have the death realm induced into them by the drugs so that they are shut out of life and joy and are shackled behind the Gates of Hell? Oh, the horrors of it all.
Lou
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2016, at 9:58:06
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » 4WD, posted by mossybleu on January 8, 2016, at 22:40:25
> Hello!
Hello!
I had asked a few questions earlier in the thread that might help others to advise you:
- Scott-----------------------------------------
Do you have a diagnosed mental illness of any sort? This would include depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, PTSD, etc.
Any physical medical conditions?
Current medications?
At what age did these terrors first appear?
At what time of night do you experience these terrors?
Do you wake up during the terror?
Do you have nightmare dreams that can be remembered?
Any history of childhood abuse or neglect?
Sorry for all of the questions.
Posted by Hugh on January 20, 2016, at 14:03:28
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » SLS, posted by Hugh on December 15, 2015, at 9:32:48
> If the sleep terrors are caused by an adrenaline surge, then a beta blocker could help.
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> The Atlantic published an article that describes how propranolol can be used to treat PTSD:
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> http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/02/ending-the-nightmares-how-drug-treatment-could-finally-stop-ptsd/252079/
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> This story about using propranolol to treat PTSD was shown on 60 Minutes:
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> Part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhK0EX4G018&feature=related
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> Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJ-NLSyS_w&NR=1Since submitting the above post, I've read that propranolol can disrupt sleep, so it's probably not a good idea to take it at bedtime. Atenolol would be a better beta blocker to take at bedtime. However, if sleep terrors are caused by PTSD, then taking propranolol on a temporary basis, in the manner described in the above links, could be quite helpful.
Posted by Hugh on February 14, 2016, at 20:50:15
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Hugh on January 20, 2016, at 14:03:28
The New York Times recently published an article about using the beta blocker propranolol to treat arachnophobia and PTSD. The article mentions that for PTSD, it appears that six sessions with propranolol while thinking or writing about a traumatic event appears to be the most effective way of using it. Here are some excerpts from the article:
Dr. Kindt assessed the subjects' anxiety when they were shown the spider the first time, then again three months later, and finally after a year. What she found was remarkable. Those who got the propranolol alone and those who got the placebo had no improvement in their anxiety. But the arachnophobes who were exposed to the spider and given the drug were able to touch the tarantula within days and, by three months, many felt comfortable holding the spider with their bare hands. Their fear did not return even at the end of one year.
How does this work? Well, propranolol blocks the effects of norepinephrine in the brain. This chemical, which is similar to adrenaline, enhances learning, so blocking it disrupts the way a memory is put back in storage after it is retrieved -- a process called reconsolidation.
These studies suggest that someday, a single dose of a drug, combined with exposure to your fear at the right moment, could free you of that fear forever. But there's a flip side to this story about how to undo emotional learning: how to strengthen it. We can do that with drugs as well, and may have been doing it for some time.
Anxiety enhances emotional memory. We all know that -- it's why you can easily forget where you put your wallet, but will never forget being attacked. This is the case because anxiety leads to the release of norepinephrine in the brain, which, again, strengthens emotional learning. It is also why we should think twice about casually prescribing stimulants like Ritalin and Adderall for young people who really dont need them. Stimulants also cause the release of norepinephrine and may enhance fear learning. So it is possible that taking stimulants could increase one's risk of developing PTSD when exposed to trauma.
Indeed, a study that will be published next month found that the escalating use of stimulants by the military in active duty soldiers, including those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, was strongly correlated with an increase in the rates of PTSD, even when controlling for other factors, like the rate of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. The study examined the use of prescription stimulants, like Ritalin and Adderall, and the rates of PTSD in nearly 26,000 military service members between 2001 and 2008, and found that the incidence of PTSD increased along with the prescriptions.
By blocking the effect of norepinephrine and disrupting memory reconsolidation, we could perhaps reverse this process. The clear implication of these studies is that emotional memory is not permanent after all.
Here is the complete article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/opinion/sunday/a-drug-to-cure-fear.html
Posted by Anna354 on February 22, 2016, at 21:17:06
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Hugh on February 14, 2016, at 20:50:15
I am also suffering from horrible morning terrors. Its like im still sleeping but im aware that something is horribly wrong and i want to start crying....but im still sleeping. .then i wake up and for a few minutes i dont know whats going on or why im so terrified. Its been happening since about June 2014. I have anxiety disorder depressed and have been on and off diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I take severed medications including clonazepam Wellbutrin seroquel and topomax. I previously took zyprexa but that was a change before this started happening and while it happened and i was switched to seroquel. The other 3 i have been on for more than 10 years. Whats changed is im Canadian and moved back here from the states just after this started happening. I also had Lyme disease for 6years. 3 drs and 2therapists cant tell me whats wrong. Im nearing the end of my rope with these terrors. I also take thyroid hormones. Im 44 and never had this happen before this except extreme seperation anxiety when i was a small child. It usually goes away within an hour of me waking up but its bothering me so much im afraid to sleep.
Posted by Anna354 on February 22, 2016, at 21:18:37
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Hugh on February 14, 2016, at 20:50:15
I am also suffering from horrible morning terrors. Its like im still sleeping but im aware that something is horribly wrong and i want to start crying....but im still sleeping. .then i wake up and for a few minutes i dont know whats going on or why im so terrified. Its been happening since about June 2014. I have anxiety disorder depressed and have been on and off diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I take severed medications including clonazepam Wellbutrin seroquel and topomax. I previously took zyprexa but that was a change before this started happening and while it happened and i was switched to seroquel. The other 3 i have been on for more than 10 years. Whats changed is im Canadian and moved back here from the states just after this started happening. I also had Lyme disease for 6years. 3 drs and 2therapists cant tell me whats wrong. Im nearing the end of my rope with these terrors. I also take thyroid hormones. Im 44 and never had this happen before this except extreme seperation anxiety when i was a small child. It usually goes away within an hour of me waking up but its bothering me so much im afraid to sleep.
Posted by Meltingpot on February 23, 2016, at 11:56:51
In reply to Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by 4WD on May 17, 2005, at 22:21:29
Hi,
I know you say you've tried APs but have you tried 10mg of Zyprexa when you are experiencing this terror. I had feelings of terror at work the other day, due to start up anxiety on Seroxat/Paxil, I took 10mg of Zyprexa, woke up feeling fine the next day and even better the day afterwards.
Denise
Posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:21:59
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Meltingpot on February 23, 2016, at 11:56:51
> Hi,
>
> I know you say you've tried APs but have you tried 10mg of Zyprexa when you are experiencing this terror. I had feelings of terror at work the other day, due to start up anxiety on Seroxat/Paxil, I took 10mg of Zyprexa, woke up feeling fine the next day and even better the day afterwards.
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> DeniseHi yeah i had to stop taking zyprexa because it caused me such serious restless legs that i intermittently had to keep jumping up and pace. It drove me nuts i could hardly sleep and even tasks like driving were affected. I tied wearing a tens unit on my lower back to avert my mind ftom the rls feeling and i was overjoyed when my dr and i finally realized it was the cause.we thought i wss iron deficient. He has me on a large dose of seroquel at night that Knocks me out but also thedreams haven't changed from the zyprexa to the seroquel so i dont know what to think :(
Posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:43:44
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Meltingpot on February 23, 2016, at 11:56:51
> Hi,
>
> I know you say you've tried APs but have you tried 10mg of Zyprexa when you are experiencing this terror. I had feelings of terror at work the other day, due to start up anxiety on Seroxat/Paxil, I took 10mg of Zyprexa, woke up feeling fine the next day and even better the day afterwards.
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Hi. The night terrors you talke about here is, i think, a different kind of 'terror' symptoms. Some have it just before waking whilst for some it happens when drifting off. But I don't mean to be-little your issues or symptoms in any way.
For me its almost always upon waking. There is a name for them- hypnogogic hallucinations.
I've had them on and off for years, but when it happens, no matter how much I try telling myself "it'll be over in a few seconds" and it really is a very short experience. Seconds. Yet its always been as bad as the last. And it often (not always) follows a bad dream, but not always.
What gets me most is its paralyzing effect. I try to move. Sometimes I can pull myself out of it. This often happens even when im feeling well.It can happen once in a blue moon or every day for weeks. Now i know there is no stopping it I've less fear of it happening because I've no choice. Still scary when it happens. Soon as I can move I sit upright strait away. Sometimes though, when its over its so tempting to go back to sleep. And if i do it often repeats. I gotta get up and stay up!Escapee
Posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:50:12
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Meltingpot, posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:43:44
Perhapse im wrong. Thinking about it night terrors might be something else other than hypnogogic hallucinations. I have on occasion moved and even fought whilst asleep. Worst was when I gave my poor partner a black eye. Soon as I did it I awoke and knew exactly what id done. Very difficult to explane to people esp the victim!
Escapee
Posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:51:35
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Meltingpot, posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:43:44
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know you say you've tried APs but have you tried 10mg of Zyprexa when you are experiencing this terror. I had feelings of terror at work the other day, due to start up anxiety on Seroxat/Paxil, I took 10mg of Zyprexa, woke up feeling fine the next day and even better the day afterwards.
> >
> >
> Hi. The night terrors you talke about here is, i think, a different kind of 'terror' symptoms. Some have it just before waking whilst for some it happens when drifting off. But I don't mean to be-little your issues or symptoms in any way.
> For me its almost always upon waking. There is a name for them- hypnogogic hallucinations.
> I've had them on and off for years, but when it happens, no matter how much I try telling myself "it'll be over in a few seconds" and it really is a very short experience. Seconds. Yet its always been as bad as the last. And it often (not always) follows a bad dream, but not always.
> What gets me most is its paralyzing effect. I try to move. Sometimes I can pull myself out of it. This often happens even when im feeling well.It can happen once in a blue moon or every day for weeks. Now i know there is no stopping it I've less fear of it happening because I've no choice. Still scary when it happens. Soon as I can move I sit upright strait away. Sometimes though, when its over its so tempting to go back to sleep. And if i do it often repeats. I gotta get up and stay up!
>
> Escapee
>
Hi
Yeah i had come across that hallucinations thing yesterday and wondered if that was what i was experiencing. I only get them in the morning and you're right they dont last long usually wheni get up its not longat all. Strangely i can wake in the middle of the night with no nightmare and go back to sleep just seems to be at my usual timeof getting up. I used to be able to be lazy and fall back asleep before theonset of these in 2014 but when i have them i have no choice but to get up. Is this a life phase or something? Anyone had it go away with no interference?
Posted by SLS on February 23, 2016, at 13:53:21
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Meltingpot, posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:43:44
I wonder if prazosin would help. It definitely reduces markedly the intense nightmares associated with PTSD. Maybe you can look into it. The drug is an old antihypertensive that is inexpensive.
- Scott
Posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:54:48
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:50:12
Oh whoops! Yes i have been single since then too my ex had complained of me flailing and talking in my sleep now that i think about it
Posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:57:47
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by SLS on February 23, 2016, at 13:53:21
> I wonder if prazosin would help. It definitely reduces markedly the intense nightmares associated with PTSD. Maybe you can look into it. The drug is an old antihypertensive that is inexpensive.
>
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> - ScottOh good idea I'll look into that one...I've definitely had a lot of traumatic incidents especially in the last 5years but never diagnosed with ptsd although i did consider that this could be stress related
Posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 14:02:55
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:51:35
> Hi
> Yeah i had come across that hallucinations thing yesterday and wondered if that was what i was experiencing. I only get them in the morning and you're right they dont last long usually wheni get up its not longat all. Strangely i can wake in the middle of the night with no nightmare and go back to sleep just seems to be at my usual timeof getting up. I used to be able to be lazy and fall back asleep before theonset of these in 2014 but when i have them i have no choice but to get up. Is this a life phase or something? Anyone had it go away with no interference?
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Perhaps when you wake in the night with no problems and go back to sleep, maybe its coz u've had your OWN optimal amount of sleep your own perfect amount of sleep. Just a thought but experiment maybe? Some people need very little sleep, yet they suffer when having a (supposedly) full recommended 8hrs. Many people live quite happily with 5hrs sleep. Just thinking out loud.
Escapee.
Posted by Hugh on February 26, 2016, at 13:48:15
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Hugh, posted by Anna354 on February 22, 2016, at 21:17:06
Scott's prazosin recommendation is a good one. Do you think your condition might have been triggered by stress over your move from the US to Canada?
One of the several things that can cause morning terrors is sleep apnea. Have you ever had a sleep lab test to rule this out? If you snore, there's about a 50% chance that you have sleep apnea.
Posted by Anna354 on February 26, 2016, at 13:56:44
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Anna354, posted by Hugh on February 26, 2016, at 13:48:15
> Scott's prazosin recommendation is a good one. Do you think your condition might have been triggered by stress over your move from the US to Canada?
>
> One of the several things that can cause morning terrors is sleep apnea. Have you ever had a sleep lab test to rule this out? If you snore, there's about a 50% chance that you have sleep apnea.Yeah it is a good i think. Not only might i have ptsd from moving back to Canada i wouldn't be surprised if i had it from having Lyme disease for 5years which really put a wrench in things. Not only did it take me 2years to get diagnosed its hard to get drs to treat you for it and i developed allergies to pretty much every fruit vegetable nut spice personal care products i had bad mcs andi was so weak i couldn't get out of bed for more than 3months. Its s terrible disease. Im making an appointment with my psychiatrist. My counselor keeps telling me i have alot on my plate right now too. I know all about sleep apnea my ex husband has it and i know i dont snore so i think i can rule that out.
Thanks for the responses
Posted by Whisker on March 4, 2016, at 21:47:20
In reply to Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by 4WD on May 17, 2005, at 22:21:29
61 year-old Female, Post menopausal
Diagnosis 1977: Unipolar Depression
Diagnosis 2007: BipolarI have been on just every psych med that has been available since 1977.
For the past almost 10 years I've been on:
Celexa 20 mg
Lamictal 300mgI have often had morning "fears," which recently morphed into morning TERRORS which often lasted for hours and might reappear as "sniper" Terror attacks during the day. Also racing, circular thoughts, jumpiness, inability to concentrate, intractable sadness, etc.
Then, about a month ago, my daughter's future father-in-law jumped in front of a train, killing himself. It spun me completely out of control.
Long story short, I was just hospitalized for a week. Landing there was only a matter of time as I shockingly discovered upon this admission that celexa and lamictal are both anti-depressants. I was never ON anything for mania because I fell through the healthcare cracks (it's complicated) before that was attended to. I thought both sides had been addressed all that long time. Yikes!
In the hospital, they immediately jettisoned the Celexa. Instead, I began taking at night:
Zyprexa 5 mg (mood stability)
Lamictal 300mg (depression)This Zyprexa (Lamictal mix?) has SO FAR (1 week) been a MIRACLE for me. (and one week of ANYTHING good IS a miracle!)
Not only have my morning terrors been reduced to a level of 3 ( 0-10 scale, 0 = none), which last only about 15 minutes, but I am calmer and my thoughts are more measured and focused than I ever remember occurring in my LIFE. I have no racing thoughts or panic attacks, AND miracle of miracles, I am NOT hungry. Not just a loss of appetite but NO appetite.
No appetite allows me to eat healthy foods in appropriate quantities at appropriate times.
I've tried meds before that created intense hunger pains within hours after taking them. I stopped them immediately. Zyprexa seems to be all about weight GAIN, which, initially, was a whole new set of terrors for me - especially when I discovered it was working so well for the mania. Frankly, I can't figure it out. I'm just hoping it lasts!!
Everyone's body chemistry is so unique and so finely tuned that you can never tell what might happen to any given individual taking any given drug and dose but I figured I'd jump in here and share my experience after stumbling across this post online.
This is so amazing that I fear it will be too good to be true. Whether you're religious or not (I'm not), please pray to god for me that this keeps on keepin' on because I'd like to think I could make at least a muti-year run on this before my metabolism changes again.
I don't know whether it matters that I'm 61, that I'm a woman, and/or that I'm post-menopausal but Zyprexa - along with lamictal? - may be worth a try for those of you who are bipolar, regardless of age, sex, etc.
If I don't repost, assume that everything is going well with no changes.
Thanks to you all for your many contributions. They have been invaluable to me :o)
Best,
Whisker
Posted by Phillipa on March 5, 2016, at 11:22:19
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Whisker on March 4, 2016, at 21:47:20
Lamictal is a mood stabalizer? Phillipa
Posted by Escapee on March 5, 2016, at 11:46:24
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Anna354, posted by Hugh on February 26, 2016, at 13:48:15
>If you snore, there's about a 50% chance that you have sleep apnea.
Oh yes. Snoring can ruin lives and especially if u slčep with a partner! But there a quick fix. No kiddin a previous doc of mine gave me a great tip which worked! (Single now so not sure if i still snore or not). I was told that snoring is at its worst when u lay on ur back. He told me to try either strapping a tennis ball to my back or fix one to the bedding u lay on. WOW WORKED A TREAT! Once asleep you simply do not roll on the ball. And u dont realise it once ur asleep. My gf was over the moon!
Posted by Escapee on March 5, 2016, at 11:48:24
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Hugh, posted by Escapee on March 5, 2016, at 11:46:24
Oh, and i found phenelzine (Nardil) the worst culprit of all.....
Posted by ianral on March 11, 2016, at 12:52:02
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Hugh, posted by Anna354 on February 22, 2016, at 21:18:37
Taking a high dose of Effexor gives me the same sleep/awake symptom. 1 mg of Xanax helps me sleep.
Posted by B2chica on March 14, 2016, at 14:56:34
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Hugh, posted by Anna354 on February 22, 2016, at 21:17:06
i havent read all the posts but have you done a sleep study?
also, have you tried Prosazin?
b2
Posted by B2chica on March 14, 2016, at 15:03:37
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Anna354, posted by B2chica on March 14, 2016, at 14:56:34
sorry, just read posts. seemed several others suggested this med. its used much with PTSD. i was on it for a bit but reacted badly to it so i had to get off (worsened depression). however, it is shown to be highly successful.
i also have mostly hypnogogic but some hypnopompic issues. yours actually sounds a little different. almost more anxiety invoked. i think thats why i thought prosazin would help.
good luck.
b2
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