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Posted by Lamdage22 on December 15, 2015, at 4:56:04
Are there any natural or pharmaceutical that do not negatively hit cognition?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 16, 2015, at 0:33:38
In reply to Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents, posted by Lamdage22 on December 15, 2015, at 4:56:04
im not sure about it but geodon has been known to cause less cognitive effects, along with abilify.......but there are a few more that i linked that may help your question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atypical_antipsychotic
zpyrexa and clozapine and the older generation antipsychosis medications are known for mind dulling effets because they where new when they came out and the only thing they had
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 16, 2015, at 0:37:51
In reply to Re: Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 16, 2015, at 0:33:38
but a general awnser would to have a dopamine blocker such has thorazine, mixed with Propranolol
there are alot to choose from on beta-blockers but that's the first thing that came to my min.dPropranol can work but make you less alert, and more calm, but it's not recommeded in high mental activity situations
Posted by SLS on December 16, 2015, at 6:58:29
In reply to Re: Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 16, 2015, at 0:33:38
> im not sure about it but geodon has been known to cause less cognitive effects
Geodon made me very spacey and stupid. I was completely numb to my surroundings.
I think Saphris (asenapine) might be an overlooked drug. I have seen it energize someone and clear up their thinking. It made for a good antidepressant when combined with Wellbutrin.
> zpyrexa and clozapine and the older generation antipsychosis medications are known for mind dulling effets because they where new when they came out and the only thing they had
The few times I took Zyprexa, my thinking cleared up. I didn't stick with it due to the weight gain. Also, at the time, I was not receptive to the idea of being on an antipsychotic for an extended period of time.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 16, 2015, at 7:09:25
In reply to Re: Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 16, 2015, at 0:37:51
> but a general awnser would to have a dopamine blocker such has thorazine, mixed with Propranolol
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> there are alot to choose from on beta-blockers but that's the first thing that came to my min.dPropranol can work but make you less alert, and more calm, but it's not recommeded in high mental activity situationsI would like to see more careful study of the use of pindolol (Visken) in the treatment of depression. It works on serotonin as well as beta receptors. Initially, it was thought that pindolol only hastened a response to SSRIs, rather than improve the rate or quality of response. This was over 15 years ago. A few more studies wouldn't hurt.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 16, 2015, at 7:21:48
In reply to Re: Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents, posted by SLS on December 16, 2015, at 7:09:25
> I would like to see more careful study of the use of pindolol (Visken) in the treatment of depression. It works on serotonin as well as beta receptors. Initially, it was thought that pindolol only hastened a response to SSRIs, rather than improve the rate or quality of response. This was over 15 years ago. A few more studies wouldn't hurt.
Okay. I did a quick literature search on Medline/Pubmed and found a more recent study that reported no positive effect of adding pindolol to SSRIs at commonly used dosages. However, one study using high dosages of pindolol (7.5 mg) reported efficacy. I guess pindolol is not such a great tool in the treatment of depression.
- Scott
Posted by bleauberry on December 16, 2015, at 12:34:24
In reply to Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents, posted by Lamdage22 on December 15, 2015, at 4:56:04
Berberine is often calming to the nervous system without unwanted side effects, though hardly anyone knows of the herb chemical or what it does. It has been the core of me getting well and staying well for several years now. The side effects are all positive....blood sugar control, antidepressant, pro-colon, antibiotic, antifungal, all sorts of stuff.
A common choice might be Lemon Balm. At lower doses it can dull cognition a little bit but at higher doses it actually enhances cognition. Google it. I have used it solo, as well as in combinations with Passion flower or Skullcap. All of those are good candidates to try singularly at first and then in combinations.
I do not know of any meds that will accomplish your goals.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 17, 2015, at 11:27:15
In reply to Re: Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents, posted by SLS on December 16, 2015, at 6:58:29
geodon the reason i said less cognitive effects, zyprexa is a strong antipsychosis medication, it's vary good for emergency manic episodes, they gave me zyprexa in the psych unit with ativan and it flatten all my anxiety and confusion mania, but geodon does not cause the sedation zyprexa does, it makes you calmer, zyprexa sometimes makes me want to lay down and take naps during the day
i've been on geodon 160mg WITH zyprexa at 10mg
and that did cause some side effects, i rerember i would take it and feel spaced out and less implusive and it made me alot more sociall inhibited, just sat there and said yes or no, or give small small conversation, it blocked social euphoria
Posted by SLS on December 17, 2015, at 12:13:02
In reply to Re: Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents » SLS, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 17, 2015, at 11:27:15
> geodon the reason i said less cognitive effects, zyprexa is a strong antipsychosis medication, it's vary good for emergency manic episodes, they gave me zyprexa in the psych unit with ativan and it flatten all my anxiety and confusion mania, but geodon does not cause the sedation zyprexa does, it makes you calmer, zyprexa sometimes makes me want to lay down and take naps during the day
It is both amazing and frustrating to see how differently we can all react to the same drug. I found Zyprexa energizing and pro-social. Unfortunately, the improvement did not last beyond the first week.
Regarding Xanax (alprazolam), you are absolutely right about its usefulness as a clinical tool. Along with its doing a great job of reducing anxiety, it has mild antidepressant properties. It is particularly good for the treatment of panic disorder. Unfortunately, it has more abuse potential than other benzodiazepines. I think this is because it produces a "laid-back" or relaxed feeling. It might also produce a mild mood-brightening effect due to its antidepressant-like properties. Overall, Xanax is an important drug to have in the psychotropic arsenal.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 17, 2015, at 13:00:18
In reply to Re: Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents » rjlockhart37, posted by SLS on December 17, 2015, at 12:13:02
My psychiatrist told me to chill for a few weeks and not obsess about treatments.
Maybe C U on the social board.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 17, 2015, at 13:08:01
In reply to Re: Dopamine and/or Noradrenalin blocking agents, posted by Lamdage22 on December 17, 2015, at 13:00:18
My doctor (not psychiatrist) made a "Vitamin D test" and i am on the verge of where its enough/not enough anymore.
I have no idea if it actually was a valid test.
doesnt it need to be a 25-hydroxycholecalciferol test????
I am sorry for taking the topic elsewhere.
I take 5.000 IU every day. Last year my doctor prescribed 40.000 IU weekly.
Can it harm me?
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