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Posted by Lamdage22 on December 9, 2015, at 10:32:37
I cant see the point right now.
Sam-E got me out of bed, but also got me hostile and over stimulated.
Posted by Christ_empowered on December 9, 2015, at 11:12:59
In reply to Taking pills seems to be a dead-end., posted by Lamdage22 on December 9, 2015, at 10:32:37
Ummmm...well, there are definite limits to what any pills can do. If you have severe problems, it seems that pills can help, at least for a while. Some people need to stay medicated indefinitely (here in the US, they try to keep EVERYBODY medicated indefinitely, lol), others sometimes reduce or taper off completely, some take meds (like AP/AAP drugs) as needed, like a couple months out of the year, total.
If you're into supplements...I keep saying it, I'll say it again: Orthomolecular. Its been around since the early 50s, back when it was called "MegaVitamin Therapy" (Linus Pauling coined the term "Orthomolecular" in 1968). It really seems to have helped me...I don't get twitches, stiff gait, all that from the meds, no TD in sight, I respond better to the mood drugs (my depression has responded much, much better to wellbutrin than it would have before the OM), and there have been side benefits in terms of my overall health (allergies less intense, skin conditions vastly improved, sleep is better w/o sedatives, even my concentration has improved, despite the meds).
OM isn't a cure all. You do it with meds, and you do it for a looooong time. It may well reduce the risk of TD, even with the older drugs. In reading over some case studies from the original OM shrinks (Dr.Hoffer, for instance), it seems that some people on OM stay on meds indefinitely, some reduce to unusually low doses of AP/AAP drugs for the long haul (while staying on the vitamins, of course), and some are eventually able to continue on the vitamins w/o Rx meds.
I seriously recommend it. There's a new round of research showing inadequate antioxidant defenses in the severely mentally ill, nutrient deficiencies, excessive inflammation and oxidative stress, etc. Tranquilizers will suppress key symptoms, but OM protocols are meant to address the underlying problems, over a long period of time.
Just throwing the idea out there for you. Good luck!
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 9, 2015, at 13:57:26
In reply to Re: Taking pills seems to be a dead-end., posted by Christ_empowered on December 9, 2015, at 11:12:59
i took neurapas balance (pascoe) with success. It seemed to be exactly what i needed.
will it make me blind? (Hypericin).
I think there is little actual st johns wort in it
www.pascoe.ca/product-list/neurapas-balance
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 9, 2015, at 15:17:39
In reply to Taking pills seems to be a dead-end., posted by Lamdage22 on December 9, 2015, at 10:32:37
"Many people report mood improvement in as little as one to two weeks. If after 2 weeks you are not experiencing desired benefits, you may want to try increasing the dose. If youre taking SAM-e for your joints, you may have to wait up to a month to see positive results"
Read more at http://www.naturemade.com/faqs/product-faqs?%7Be3339e69-02dc-4ede-b9cd-dc6296d11258%7D#mA0QjECMyOsvdAMf.99it could be a coicidence imbalance, maybe take a low dose 200mg, and wait 2 weeks to see if the mood is improved or not
r
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 10, 2015, at 7:31:10
In reply to Re: Taking pills seems to be a dead-end., posted by rjlockhart37 on December 9, 2015, at 15:17:39
Its the only thing that worked without side effects.
Yes you can get cataracts, but there is surgery for cataracts where you get a new lense.
Posted by bleauberry on December 16, 2015, at 13:01:43
In reply to Taking pills seems to be a dead-end., posted by Lamdage22 on December 9, 2015, at 10:32:37
For me, meds were indeed a dead-end. 20 years of them.
Granted, I needed them at the time, because I had no other options and no knowledge.
I got some benefit from a few meds but mostly they were bad roads. The most helpful for me was about 8 years of prozac+zyprexa+modafinil. Even that pooped out eventually.
The only genuine enduring remission is one brought about by pushing back against the actual cause of the symptoms, rather than pushing back only against the symptoms themselves. imo
My journey hints that is accomplished by assuming the patient does have toxicity issues, does have lyme disease, does have other infections, does have genetic damage from it all, and that there is no way to diagnose or prove any of it. It means a wide spectrum cocktail to cover all bases. That, in my experience, blows the entire psychiatric market in the weeds.
That said, meds such as antipsychotics and benzos and stimulants can be extremely helpful. The ones I find to be harmful and problematic are the antidepressants themselves. My opinion is that they cause more problems than they address. And they don't even come close to touching the actual underlying problem. But if one of them helps someone feel better, that's fine. It's just that what we usually see is, they don't often do that.
So back to my 20 year journey of meds, and the obvious question, what happened? Well, a sharp nurse practitioner reviewing my case commented how it could be lyme disease even though my tests were negative. On her desk were pamphlets that said "What Every Psychiatrist Should Know About Lyme Disease". Google it. And that we should explore that angle just in case, to rule it in or rule it out. In short order, it was quickly ruled in. But that's another chapter... :-)
3 years of Lyme meds and herbs basically saved my life from a life sentence of depression. I would be serving that sentence if not for a sharp nurse.
Moral of the story. Meds don't need to be a dead end. They can be helpful stepping stones. In the meantime, the patient has to assume responsibility for their own health and must continually study stuff, try stuff, study more, try more, keep going until there is a good cocktail in the works.
I stay well but my cocktail to stay that way involves about a dozen bottles of supplements and herbs. No more meds.
Posted by Zyprexa on December 18, 2015, at 20:16:43
In reply to Re: Taking pills seems to be a dead-end., posted by bleauberry on December 16, 2015, at 13:01:43
If you have lyme disese, why can't you just take something to get rid of that? Is there no cure for lyme disese?
Posted by john locke on December 26, 2015, at 19:49:36
In reply to Re: Taking pills seems to be a dead-end., posted by Christ_empowered on December 9, 2015, at 11:12:59
> Ummmm...well, there are definite limits to what any pills can do. If you have severe problems, it seems that pills can help, at least for a while. Some people need to stay medicated indefinitely (here in the US, they try to keep EVERYBODY medicated indefinitely, lol), others sometimes reduce or taper off completely, some take meds (like AP/AAP drugs) as needed, like a couple months out of the year, total.
>
> If you're into supplements...I keep saying it, I'll say it again: Orthomolecular. Its been around since the early 50s, back when it was called "MegaVitamin Therapy" (Linus Pauling coined the term "Orthomolecular" in 1968). It really seems to have helped me...I don't get twitches, stiff gait, all that from the meds, no TD in sight, I respond better to the mood drugs (my depression has responded much, much better to wellbutrin than it would have before the OM), and there have been side benefits in terms of my overall health (allergies less intense, skin conditions vastly improved, sleep is better w/o sedatives, even my concentration has improved, despite the meds).
>
> OM isn't a cure all. You do it with meds, and you do it for a looooong time. It may well reduce the risk of TD, even with the older drugs. In reading over some case studies from the original OM shrinks (Dr.Hoffer, for instance), it seems that some people on OM stay on meds indefinitely, some reduce to unusually low doses of AP/AAP drugs for the long haul (while staying on the vitamins, of course), and some are eventually able to continue on the vitamins w/o Rx meds.
>
> I seriously recommend it. There's a new round of research showing inadequate antioxidant defenses in the severely mentally ill, nutrient deficiencies, excessive inflammation and oxidative stress, etc. Tranquilizers will suppress key symptoms, but OM protocols are meant to address the underlying problems, over a long period of time.
>
> Just throwing the idea out there for you. Good luck!Can you imform me more as to what Orthomolecular is and what it treats? I'm interested
John
Posted by Christ_empowered on December 29, 2015, at 14:09:02
In reply to Re: Taking pills seems to be a dead-end., posted by john locke on December 26, 2015, at 19:49:36
Orthomolecular is the use of vitamins, minerals, and amino acids, usually in high doses, to treat health problems. As best I can gather from the reading, the idea is that high doses of these substances, in the correct combinations, sometimes combined w/ Rx meds, can produce therapeutic effects.
For instance...niacin is used to lower cholesterol. Various forms of B3--niacin, niacinamide, etc.--are fairly standard in OM protocols for psychiatric issues. High doses act as an antioxidant and also have an effect on GABA receptors.
check out www.doctoryourself.com and see what you think. I'm clearly no expert--I'm just now "in recovery," and a lot of what I"m recovering from is "treatment"--but OM has helped me. Its not terribly expensive, it seems to have side benefits, and its easy to adjust what you're taking to suit your needs.
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