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Posted by SLS on November 30, 2015, at 22:01:35
In reply to suicidal ideation, posted by joe f on November 29, 2015, at 20:13:42
Hi, Joe.
I agree with Baseball55.
- Scott
Posted by joe f on December 1, 2015, at 16:13:15
In reply to Re: suicidal ideation » joe f, posted by SLS on November 30, 2015, at 22:01:35
thamk you
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 6:38:01
In reply to suicidal ideation, posted by joe f on November 29, 2015, at 20:13:42
> when does thoughts of suicide require intervention.......severly depressed and isolated
>
> meds low dose seroquil,lamictal,tegretol,lexapro,klonopin......been on them all before ...no problem......medium to low dosesjoe,
You wrote,[...thoughts of suicide...depressed and isolated...meds(deadly mix that could cause suicidal thoughts)...].
What's it all about, joe. Is it just for the drugs that you live? You see, there is a whole lot more left out here, and a lot less truth allowed. But let us reason together.
Let us look at:
Lou
www.dr-bob.org/babble/20151119/msgs/1084139.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 6:40:45
In reply to Lous response-ehyhollotmoar » joe f, posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 6:38:01
> > when does thoughts of suicide require intervention.......severly depressed and isolated
> >
> > meds low dose seroquil,lamictal,tegretol,lexapro,klonopin......been on them all before ...no problem......medium to low doses
>
> joe,
> You wrote,[...thoughts of suicide...depressed and isolated...meds(deadly mix that could cause suicidal thoughts)...].
> What's it all about, joe. Is it just for the drugs that you live? You see, there is a whole lot more left out here, and a lot less truth allowed. But let us reason together.
> Let us look at:
> Lou
> www.dr-bob.org/babble/20151119/msgs/1084139.html
>
corrected link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20151119/msgs/1084139.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 6:57:04
In reply to corrected link: Lou's response-ehyhollotmoar, posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 6:40:45
> > > when does thoughts of suicide require intervention.......severly depressed and isolated
> > >
> > > meds low dose seroquil,lamictal,tegretol,lexapro,klonopin......been on them all before ...no problem......medium to low doses
> >
> > joe,
> > You wrote,[...thoughts of suicide...depressed and isolated...meds(deadly mix that could cause suicidal thoughts)...].
> > What's it all about, joe. Is it just for the drugs that you live? You see, there is a whole lot more left out here, and a lot less truth allowed. But let us reason together.
> > Let us look at:
> > Lou
> > www.dr-bob.org/babble/20151119/msgs/1084139.html
> >
> corrected link:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20151119/msgs/1084139.html
>
joe,
Many here will tell you to take this drug or that drug because it hits a receptor. This could conjure up the thought of like a pin-ball machine when the ball hits the receptor and a light goes on and a bell rings and the score goes up. But is that what it is all about, or just a deception to cause your death? For there is a whole lot more to this, and a lot more left out that could deceive.
Let us look at this video and see that the brain reacts when a receptor is hit that is not told here, and that could cost you your life. And worse, I am prohibited from posting here what IMHO could save your life due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at3Sg6qvgTE
Posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 16:28:02
In reply to Lou's response-of mice and men, posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 6:57:04
is what you are saying i'm using these drugs / ideas because I really do not want to live?
Posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 17:03:06
In reply to Re: Lou's response-of mice and men, posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 16:28:02
> is what you are saying i'm using these drugs / ideas because I really do not want to live?
I didn't read the post that you are responding to here, but I am absolutely sure that you want to live. I say this based upon your participation here. That doesn't mean that you don't need extra help right now. However, I believe that your honest and sincere requests for help demonstrates your positive and constructive drive for survival and the desire for a good life.
Hang in there!
- Scott
Posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 18:16:27
In reply to Re: Lou's response-of mice and men » joe f, posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 17:03:06
well said ....thank you.......do you think inpatient is a good idea
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 19:04:14
In reply to Re: Lou's response-of mice and men, posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 16:28:02
> is what you are saying i'm using these drugs / ideas because I really do not want to live?
>
> joe,
What is your rational basis from what I have posted here, if any, to question as to if that is what I mean?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 19:14:22
In reply to Re: Lou's response-of mice and men » joe f, posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 17:03:06
> > is what you are saying i'm using these drugs / ideas because I really do not want to live?
>
> I didn't read the post that you are responding to here, but I am absolutely sure that you want to live. I say this based upon your participation here. That doesn't mean that you don't need extra help right now. However, I believe that your honest and sincere requests for help demonstrates your positive and constructive drive for survival and the desire for a good life.
>
> Hang in there!
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote that because joe is in participation here that you are absolutely sure that he wants to live because he is participating here.
I am unsure as to what is your rational basis, if any, for making such a conclusion. If you could post answers to the following then I could respond.
True or False:
A. Anyone that participates here wants to live
B. The people that killed themselves here as participants were faking participation
C. People here that had honest and sincere requests and killed themselves, lied.
D. If people do not want to live, by them participating here, you warrantee that they will not kill themselves because by participating they want to live.
E. The posters that say that they want to kill themselves here, are liars.
Lou
Posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 19:37:50
In reply to Lou's response-of life and pen » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 19:14:22
I want to live but when you mentally do not feel good for a while each day becomes tuff
bipolar/anxiety/ocd
meds lamictal200/tegretol 400 Lexapro 20 seroquil 100 sleep klonopin2.5 ......could it be my meds are just not strong enough to control the symptoms
Posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 19:42:15
In reply to Re: Lou's response-of life and pen, posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 19:37:50
i'm also starting to wonder about my dr. he had me cold turkey off Cymbalta 60 mg at one time ....I lasted 3 days.......also had me cold turkey off tegretol 600 ...sick as a dog......just went from 3mg of klonopin to 2mg said no big deal.......
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 20:50:52
In reply to Re: Lou's response-of life and pen, posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 19:37:50
> I want to live but when you mentally do not feel good for a while each day becomes tuff
>
> bipolar/anxiety/ocd
>
> meds lamictal200/tegretol 400 Lexapro 20 seroquil 100 sleep klonopin2.5 ......could it be my meds are just not strong enough to control the symptomsjoe,
The concoction of chemicals that you are taking could cause sudden death. And the longer that you take them, the more addicted you could become to them so that stopping them could be so horrific that you could kill yourself. And worse, you are thinking that the drugs need more strength. And there could be damage from the drugs so that more drugs could make you so impaired, that you could kill yourself accidentally by not understanding that what you are doing could cause death. And you could be dehumanized by the drugs so that you could not see life itself and shoot people thinking that they are toy ducks. The drugs could turn off the light of life in you.
But there is hope. Not the hope that others here post about in that a new drug will come out.
I am prohibited to post this here by Mr. Hsiung. You could write Mr. Hsiung a letter and ask him why he prohibits me from posting how you could
be led out of the darkness of death into a marvelous light of life.
Lou
Posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 21:03:13
In reply to Lou's reply-of meds and death » joe f, posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2015, at 20:50:52
lou ...don't quite understand...been on these meds for years and the are low doses......was highly functionable until april when I started cutting back on them.....as far as seroquil it really is only 25mg for sleep as tegretol reduces it substantially and it reduces klonopin by 30% and lamictal by 50% I appreciate your concern ..could you please elaborate on my comments thanks
Posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 21:04:36
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-of meds and death, posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 21:03:13
does anyone here agree with lou?
Posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 21:30:31
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-of meds and death, posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 21:04:36
> does anyone here agree with lou?
NO!!!
No. No. No.
My advice to you is to get other opinions using various resources.
Should you go to the hospital? If you have to ask that question, then you probably should. You could go directly to the emergency department (ER). It is the safest route for you to take. They will screen you there and make a determination whether or not you need hospitalization. You would be getting a second opinion and perhaps have managed changes made to your treatment. Ask the attending psychiatrist for suggestions on finding a new doctor if you feel that it is time to make a change.
I am not happy to see you have your medication reduced in such ways by your current doctor. Did he make all of these changes at once? Certainly, he could have tapered the Cymbalta and Tegretol gradually, as both drugs come in smaller dosage forms. I hate to say negative things about other people's doctors, but it seems that yours has very little appreciation for the intensity of drug withdrawal, including the emergence of suicidality.
Keep posting.
- Scott
Posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 21:58:03
In reply to Look for other opinions. » joe f, posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 21:30:31
I think that's right very little appreciation for what one might go through.......the Cymbalta and tegretol were at 2 different times.....the klonopin from 3 to 2 seems to be alright.....since the doses are fairly low it might be time and easier for another dr. to make changes.......your thoughts?
Posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 22:48:51
In reply to Re: Look for other opinions., posted by joe f on December 3, 2015, at 21:58:03
> I think that's right very little appreciation for what one might go through.......the Cymbalta and tegretol were at 2 different times.....the klonopin from 3 to 2 seems to be alright.....since the doses are fairly low it might be time and easier for another dr. to make changes.......your thoughts?
I think that your idea makes sense, as long as you can tolerate your current state. A good doctor will be able to manage your treatment even if you were to continue your old regime.
- Scott
Posted by joe f on December 4, 2015, at 12:55:28
In reply to Re: Look for other opinions. » joe f, posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 22:48:51
so you do not think this is some crazy regiment like the other poster
Posted by SLS on December 4, 2015, at 15:01:27
In reply to Re: Look for other opinions., posted by joe f on December 4, 2015, at 12:55:28
> so you do not think this is some crazy regiment like the other poster
I don't generally read Lou Pilder's posts, so I don't know exactly what was said. Unless you need me to read something he wrote - which I would gladly do - I will simply skip over his posts here.
I don't think that your regime is crazy - just inadequate. It is inadequate because it is not making you feel very much better. Some people need only one drug. Some people, like me, need six drugs. There is no set number of drugs that one is limited to.
Do you have an anxiety disorder along with depression?
I will reiterate my disappointment in your doctor's handling of your treatment. Discontinuing your medication so abruptly could only cause you, at best, discomfort, at worst, feelings of suicide. I'm glad you survived it. Should you be admitted into the hospital? I don't know. It is the job of the screening process in the emergency department to evaluate you.
- Scott
Posted by joe f on December 4, 2015, at 15:06:25
In reply to Re: Look for other opinions. » joe f, posted by SLS on December 4, 2015, at 15:01:27
yes anxiety along with depression.......I have script for 3 klonopin a day....but really comes to 2 because tegretol breaks it down 30% so sometimes I underdose because of all the bad press on benzos........maybe I should not......your thoughts
Posted by Phillipa on December 5, 2015, at 17:23:47
In reply to Re: Look for other opinions., posted by joe f on December 4, 2015, at 15:06:25
Joe okay read this and klonopin thread. See that you don't do well on other benzos and like klonopin. Still feeling suicidal? Aren't you also on some meds for other problems also. And I like you am not happy with what I read about the benozs. No way to babblemail you? Phillipa
Posted by joe f on December 5, 2015, at 18:12:44
In reply to Re: Look for other opinions. » joe f, posted by Phillipa on December 5, 2015, at 17:23:47
phillipa thanks ...but not sure what you are saying.....are you saying klonopin could be culprit.......been on Ativan........felt worse
Posted by Phillipa on December 5, 2015, at 19:55:10
In reply to Re: Look for other opinions., posted by joe f on December 5, 2015, at 18:12:44
Joe no saying that it seems that klonopin from what you posted works for you and other benzos don't. Phillipa
Posted by joe f on December 5, 2015, at 20:08:14
In reply to Re: Look for other opinions. » joe f, posted by Phillipa on December 5, 2015, at 19:55:10
GOTCHA..YEA no tiredness like Ativan.....Ativan made situation worse
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