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Posted by john locke on November 28, 2015, at 19:53:49
Any long term users of Nardil out there (5+ years) who have had continued success on the drug without loss of efficacy? Particularly as a treatment for social phobia/atypical depression? Anyone who had Nardil work for them but then poop out/ lose efficacy? I'm curious as to whether Nardil really does poop out on people, or are they just confusing the end of the initial hypomanic phase as poop out?
Posted by Former poster on November 29, 2015, at 2:35:22
In reply to Nardil--long term use, posted by john locke on November 28, 2015, at 19:53:49
I wondered the same thing you are wondering. I was on nardil cumulatively for over 15 years. Didn't experience poop out but wanted my sex life back and I wanted to travel abroad and eat anything I pleased.
Posted by john locke on November 29, 2015, at 17:13:30
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use » john locke, posted by Former poster on November 29, 2015, at 2:35:22
> I wondered the same thing you are wondering. I was on nardil cumulatively for over 15 years. Didn't experience poop out but wanted my sex life back and I wanted to travel abroad and eat anything I pleased.
Did you ever experience problems with food/drug interactions?
Posted by former poster on December 1, 2015, at 1:01:25
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use, posted by john locke on November 29, 2015, at 17:13:30
> I wondered the same thing you are wondering. I was on nardil cumulatively for over 15 years. Didn't experience poop out but wanted my sex life back and I wanted to travel abroad and eat anything I pleased.
>Did you ever experience problems with food/drug interactions?
I can only recall one time when eating chocolate. (Some brands can be consumed in large amounts). After eating a small amount of "Brachs" brand (USA) I started getting a stiff neck, rapid pulse and high BP. It lasted only a few hours and I was fine afterwards.
Posted by atypical on December 1, 2015, at 6:37:27
In reply to Nardil--long term use, posted by john locke on November 28, 2015, at 19:53:49
Been on it for like 6 years. I have to be careful to not each much cheddar or monterey jack cheese as that causes elevated BP for me. Other cheeses totally fine.
Posted by john locke on December 1, 2015, at 19:20:51
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use, posted by atypical on December 1, 2015, at 6:37:27
> Been on it for like 6 years. I have to be careful to not each much cheddar or monterey jack cheese as that causes elevated BP for me. Other cheeses totally fine.
Thanks! What have you been taking it for, and what's your experience with it been like? What dose do you take, and have you ever had to up the dose?
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 4, 2015, at 9:37:26
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use, posted by john locke on December 1, 2015, at 19:20:51
I have had bad luck with Nardil. So much that i wouldnt recommend it to anyone although i acknowledge that most people wont experience what i experienced.
I just dont want to be the cause of what happened to me in somebody else.
Posted by atypical on December 4, 2015, at 18:47:54
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use, posted by john locke on December 1, 2015, at 19:20:51
It brought me back to "normal." During the first six months of taking it, you will likely feel some weird side effects. In due time they mostly subside to tolerable levels, at least in my experience. It's been so long, though that I don't know what's side effect really and what's just stuff happening. 60mg. Going higher did not help. Therapy every other week all during this time.
Posted by rose45 on December 8, 2015, at 18:14:22
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use, posted by atypical on December 4, 2015, at 18:47:54
It was a miracle drug for me, but after 21 years, it stopped working. I cannot function without meds. I am on parnate now.
Posted by john locke on December 9, 2015, at 0:47:42
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use, posted by rose45 on December 8, 2015, at 18:14:22
> It was a miracle drug for me, but after 21 years, it stopped working. I cannot function without meds. I am on parnate now.
What were you taking it for? Did you try getting off Nardil and then getting back on it when it pooped out?
Posted by rose45 on December 9, 2015, at 2:59:25
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use » rose45, posted by john locke on December 9, 2015, at 0:47:42
I take it because I have clinical depression which is so bad that I cannot function at all without medication, and maois seem to be the only medication which work for me.
When it pooped out, I went to the local psychiatrist and I suggested increasing the dose, which we did, but that didnt help at all. They then suggested various other meds, none of which helped, and just made things worse. I was totally suicidal. Then I suggested we switch to parnate, which my mother had been on. Within a few weeks, the awful depression had lifted. It is not perfect, but I doubt whether any medication is. At least I can live a life, with some compromises. In many ways, for me parnate is easier to use than nardil. It doesnt give me the 'high' which nardil gave - and also changing the dose is easier. With nardil, every time I changed the dose, it would lead to at least 6 weeks of agony, and I found that I had to keep changing the dose to maintain the effect. I didnt try to go off and back on again. I reckoned after 20+ years, the chances were it probably wouldnt work any more. I was in such a bad state that I couldnt think clearly anyway, but in hindsight, I think switching to parnate, for me, was the right thing to do. There are several people on here who have also had success with marplan.
Posted by meffect on December 27, 2015, at 5:15:04
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use, posted by rose45 on December 9, 2015, at 2:59:25
> I take it because I have clinical depression which is so bad that I cannot function at all without medication, and maois seem to be the only medication which work for me.
>
> When it pooped out, I went to the local psychiatrist and I suggested increasing the dose, which we did, but that didnt help at all. They then suggested various other meds, none of which helped, and just made things worse. I was totally suicidal. Then I suggested we switch to parnate, which my mother had been on. Within a few weeks, the awful depression had lifted. It is not perfect, but I doubt whether any medication is. At least I can live a life, with some compromises. In many ways, for me parnate is easier to use than nardil. It doesnt give me the 'high' which nardil gave - and also changing the dose is easier. With nardil, every time I changed the dose, it would lead to at least 6 weeks of agony, and I found that I had to keep changing the dose to maintain the effect. I didnt try to go off and back on again. I reckoned after 20+ years, the chances were it probably wouldnt work any more. I was in such a bad state that I couldnt think clearly anyway, but in hindsight, I think switching to parnate, for me, was the right thing to do. There are several people on here who have also had success with marplan.Does the Parnate make you want to nap? When I tried Parnate, I'd take it at 8:00am and have an extreme urge to nap at ~12:00pm.
Posted by rose45 on December 27, 2015, at 12:36:21
In reply to Re: Nardil--long term use, posted by meffect on December 27, 2015, at 5:15:04
> > I take it because I have clinical depression which is so bad that I cannot function at all without medication, and maois seem to be the only medication which work for me.
> >
> > When it pooped out, I went to the local psychiatrist and I suggested increasing the dose, which we did, but that didnt help at all. They then suggested various other meds, none of which helped, and just made things worse. I was totally suicidal. Then I suggested we switch to parnate, which my mother had been on. Within a few weeks, the awful depression had lifted. It is not perfect, but I doubt whether any medication is. At least I can live a life, with some compromises. In many ways, for me parnate is easier to use than nardil. It doesnt give me the 'high' which nardil gave - and also changing the dose is easier. With nardil, every time I changed the dose, it would lead to at least 6 weeks of agony, and I found that I had to keep changing the dose to maintain the effect. I didnt try to go off and back on again. I reckoned after 20+ years, the chances were it probably wouldnt work any more. I was in such a bad state that I couldnt think clearly anyway, but in hindsight, I think switching to parnate, for me, was the right thing to do. There are several people on here who have also had success with marplan.
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> Does the Parnate make you want to nap? When I tried Parnate, I'd take it at 8:00am and have an extreme urge to nap at ~12:00pm.Yes it does. Not every day, but around 4 or 5 pm. I would love to know how other get around this. It is one of the main down sides of the medication.
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