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Posted by baseball55 on August 7, 2015, at 19:15:22
I don't understand you, lamadge. Instead of writing 20 cryptic notes, could you try writing a longer note explaining your thoughts on meds, therapy, changing, recovering. I'm not being hostile, I just really don't get where you are coming from. You seem to want to start fights with Scott and others, and I don't know why.
For myself (so you know where I am coming from), I have suffered for the last 7 years from severe depression. I have been hospitalized over and over with SI and made two suicide attempts that I barely survived. I take parnate at a normal dose (though low for this forum - 40mg) and it helps me with few side effects. Last year, I began taking ability PRN. Abilify always helped and quickly, but made me gain weight, and quickly. I now take it when the parnate doesn't hold me and I start sliding into intense SI. I take it for no more than a week. I also take lamictal. Not sure why, but it has not sx for me.
I see a DBT therapist once a week and have for 4 years. I saw a dynamic therapist weekly for 8 years. I now see him every 5-6 weeks (he is my psychiatrist). I believe in therapy strongly. I believe in finding support networks. I was drug and alcohol addicted and am very involved in AA. That helps a lot. I believe in trying to exercise, socialize, work, etc to find meaning and pleasure in life. But I also know from experience, that severe depression makes these things nearly impossible when you are living through it.
I have many close friends through recovery groups. They have seen me in the depths of depression and tried to help - we'll go for a walk, coffee, lunch. It always ends with their saying - do you need to be in a hospital? Can you call your therapist/psychiatrist? When I am depressed, they are way out of their league. It's too much for me and too much for others. I need help. Not necessarily meds, but help with DBT skills, hospitalization to keep me safe.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 13, 2015, at 16:47:34
In reply to lamadge, posted by baseball55 on August 7, 2015, at 19:15:22
I get angry at people here because i am frustrated with their suffering.
I firmly disagree with this "biological treatments are all i need" approach.
It has cost me almost everything to take Scott or others as "role models". I came out of it and i want others to come out of it. And i dont see alot of people that say "hey my depression is gone now". It seems ludicrous to me to put so much hope and trust into medication despite the setbacks. Scott calls that resilience. You may very well be hunting a psychopharmalogical solution for the rest of your life and not live it one bit. Arent you afraid of that at all?
Part of me still believes that people can be woken up from this state. Certainly not Scott, but readers could have their eyes opened.
By the time i visited this forum first time, i was doing well except for some shyness. Thats all. I was mislead into this psychopharmaceutical swampland that is psychobabble.
And i dont want others to follow.i dont want to waste my whole life with psychopharmaceutical talk like yall do.Doesnt mean i wont try medication. It just means i approach meds with a more realistic expectations.
Why is it so hard to understand where i am coming from?
Do you want me to write a book about it? :)
Posted by baseball55 on August 13, 2015, at 21:07:57
In reply to Re: lamadge, posted by Lamdage22 on August 13, 2015, at 16:47:34
So you were fine except for shyness. Why take meds for shyness? It's a personality characteristic and most amenable, if it really bothers you, to group therapy.
I am not a medication or nothing booster. I believe in therapy and other, non-med, changes one can make in one's life. But I'm interested in meds because they have helped me a lot and have failed me and because I suffer from chronic, recurrent and - what I believe to be - biological depression.
If you don't, why post here? Just to be negative and dump on Scott?
> I get angry at people here because i am frustrated with their suffering.
>
> I firmly disagree with this "biological treatments are all i need" approach.
>
> It has cost me almost everything to take Scott or others as "role models". I came out of it and i want others to come out of it. And i dont see alot of people that say "hey my depression is gone now". It seems ludicrous to me to put so much hope and trust into medication despite the setbacks. Scott calls that resilience. You may very well be hunting a psychopharmalogical solution for the rest of your life and not live it one bit. Arent you afraid of that at all?
>
> Part of me still believes that people can be woken up from this state. Certainly not Scott, but readers could have their eyes opened.
> By the time i visited this forum first time, i was doing well except for some shyness. Thats all. I was mislead into this psychopharmaceutical swampland that is psychobabble.
> And i dont want others to follow.
>
> i dont want to waste my whole life with psychopharmaceutical talk like yall do.Doesnt mean i wont try medication. It just means i approach meds with a more realistic expectations.
>
> Why is it so hard to understand where i am coming from?
> Do you want me to write a book about it? :)
>
>
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 14, 2015, at 5:15:13
In reply to Re: lamadge, posted by baseball55 on August 13, 2015, at 21:07:57
baseball,
thats my approach as well.
I feel that Venlafaxin is slowly pooping out on me.
Higher dosages have the side effect of anorgasmia.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2015, at 6:37:58
In reply to Re: lamadge, posted by baseball55 on August 13, 2015, at 21:07:57
I post here so people can make an informed decision about MAOI. That they know the risks. IE psychosis.
I post here so people dont make the same mistakes i did.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2015, at 6:52:37
In reply to Re: lamadge, posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2015, at 6:37:58
Oh so i am negative saying there is much more you can do than take meds?
Do you really believe that??
Posted by baseball55 on August 15, 2015, at 18:33:54
In reply to Re: lamadge, posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2015, at 6:52:37
> Oh so i am negative saying there is much more you can do than take meds?
>
> Do you really believe that??That's not what I said. I agree that there is much more people can (and should!) do than take meds. Completely. But, from many of your posts, it's not clear that this is what you're saying. You sometimes simply criticize people without making that point. That's why I asked in the first post if you could explain your position more fully.
Thanks
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 18, 2015, at 3:48:43
In reply to Re: lamadge, posted by baseball55 on August 15, 2015, at 18:33:54
That's why I asked in the first post if you could explain your position more fully.
> ThanksI understand.
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