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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:38
In reply to Re: It's not spirituality, posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 11:04:02
> No, i was talking to Lou..
>
> His posts may lead to irresponsible discontinuation of meds. I know because i have been there.
>
> It shouldnt be taken lightly. The failure of my attempt to discontinue has lead to more antipsychotics than you can imagine to stop the psychosis. It was bad.
>
> And this may really end in someone getting hurt, whereas responsible attempts still leave room for going back up in the dosage.
>
> Telling people to tolerate psychosis is irresponsible.L,
You wrote,[...his posts may lead to irresponsible discontinuation of meds...]
What you have posted about me here could decrease the respect regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me and arouse anti-Semitic feelings. This is because the posts that you say are in question are not specified. That could mean that *any* of my posts could be considered to be those in question. That could mean the posts by me that I am trying to stop Mr Hsiung and his deputies of record from being considered by readers to be supportive and will be good for this community as a whole that stand unsanctioned where they appear originally that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and/or those posts that have defamation posted toward me. This could also mean posts where I offer educational material to help readers make a more informed decision as to take these drugs or not in that the education can show how the drug or combination of drugs could inflict a life-ruining condition or addiction or death.
In the aspect of my attempt to stop Mr Hsiung from allowing anti-Semitic statements to be seen as civil by him where they are originally posted, by those posts being able to be thought to be supportive, hate could fester in the minds of readers so that they could not overcome their affliction, for hate has been shown to induce hostility to the target persons so that murder and suicide could be a result of the hate being entertained as civil.
I have come to free readers from hate, and the hatred toward the Jews that is being allowed to be seen as civil here, could be thought by a subset of readers to be a contradiction of the mission of the forum which is for support and education via fairness and the Golden Rule as stated in Mr. Hsiung's TOS/FAQ. Those readers have a rational basis to think that for the Golden Rule as understood by Jews and others involves fairness and justice and equality via morality. And as long as my years of outstanding notifications can be seen by those readers, they could think that the Golden Rule is not being applied by Mr. Hsiung toward the anti-Semitic statements being allowed as civil, and then equality in the enforcement of his rules is questioned.
Mr. Hsiung states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. That could mean that his thinking overrules The Golden Rule, for that type of ancient thinking justified infanticide, slavery, genocide, discrimination , segregation and more. In that type of thinking there is no right or wrong, only what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. Then he does not have to follow or abide by his own rules. He can leave the anitsemitism and defamation toward me to be seen as civil, which could IMHO destroy all the support here because readers could think that hatred toward the Jews is supportive because Mr. Hsiung states that being supportive *takes precedence*. If hate takes precedence, how could anyone here overcome their affliction if they entertain in their minds that hate takes precedence?
Addiction can lead to suicide in withdrawal as I have posted and shown videos by doctors concerning this. I do have a way for those that want to be free from these drugs to overcome addiction. Yet today, I am prevented from posting that here due to the prohibitions to me here by Mr. Hsiung. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me which is prohibited for me to post here by him. But anti-Semitic propaganda can be posted here and be seen as supportive against my years of objections to Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record.
It has been revealed to me as I stood on the Mountaintop and looked down at humanity to see two roads. And on one road there were many running to and fro on a very wide road. And I saw the end of the road as death. And all the time those people on that broad road were passing up a narrow road that leads to life, and few there were that found it. I have come here to show those that want off the broad road that leads to death, to find the narrow road that lead to life.
If you want to post the link to one of the posts that you say says what you say it says, then I could have the opportunity to post my response to you. And if you do not want to take this opportunity to post a link to one of those, then let readers know that what you posted about me is what it is.
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:39
In reply to Lou's response/request-izwhtitiz » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on October 6, 2014, at 13:39:51
It has been revealed to me as I stood on the Mountaintop and looked down at humanity to see two roads. And on one road there were many running to and fro on a very wide road. And I saw the end of the road as death.
I respect your feelings, but in my opinion everyone is going to die. Evidence strongly supports this view as can be seen on any graveyard.
> If you want to post the link to one of the posts that you say says what you say it says, then I could have the opportunity to post my response to you.
"I have read your predicament here and you could commit suicide or mass-murder in the condition that you are in as a result of the drugs inducing akathisia, as many doctors recognize."
Doctors recognize all kinds of things. We all have candida, i have candida, we all have toxoplasmosis. The world is sickened by candida and toxoplasmosis. Well, i don't and i have wasted money for this sh*t. What doctor recognized what? Quote?
I object to the opinion that mass murder can be brought on by akathisia. Excuse me, but it strikes me as pretty ridiculous.
And if you do not want to take this opportunity to post a link to one of those, then let readers know that what you posted about me is what it is.
> Lou"There could be a realm that you could find yourself in. This realm could be frightening if you do not know what it is. The realm starts in a few days after you stop the drug. Sometimes the realm starts later than that. This could be from stopping the drug You can call it withdrawal, you can call it discontinuation syndrome, but whatever you call it, if you do not know what it is, you could kill yourself and/or others.
If you find yourself in that realm, this post could save your life, for people in withdrawal that do not know what it is, can think that their mind has been altered forever by the drug and that they could never return and be like they are without end so that suicide seems to be an attractive alternative to living in that state."There is no need to be in this realm because you can withdraw without being in this "realm" which i (and a couple of doctors) call PSYCHOSIS. In psychosis, a lot of things can happen (in some people). Not in controlled withdrawal.
This psychosis wouldn't be there if the person was healthy enough and the discontinuation was slow enough.And this i find irresponsible that you describe this realm, which means psychosis, as a potential path toward health.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:39
In reply to Re: Lou's response/request-izwhtitiz, posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 14:25:31
It has been revealed to me as I stood on the Mountaintop and looked down at humanity to see two roads. And on one road there were many running to and fro on a very wide road. And I saw the end of the road as death.
So, you had a vision?
Posted by Athene on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:39
In reply to Re: Lou's response/request-izwhtitiz, posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 14:25:31
> If you find yourself in that realm, this post could save your life, for people in withdrawal that do not know what it is, can think that their mind has been altered forever by the drug and that they could never return and be like they are without end so that suicide seems to be an attractive alternative to living in that state."
>
> There is no need to be in this realm because you can withdraw without being in this "realm" which i (and a couple of doctors) call PSYCHOSIS. In psychosis, a lot of things can happen (in some people). Not in controlled withdrawal.
> This psychosis wouldn't be there if the person was healthy enough and the discontinuation was slow enough.
>
> And this i find irresponsible that you describe this realm, which means psychosis, as a potential path toward health.
>I think there is another option. While withdrawing bit by bit, working to heal the emotional distress that comes up - in bite-sized chunks due to the slow withdrawal. Often drugs will suppress our feelings, so coming off of them will cause a return of the original feelings. This could end in a state considered outright psychosis, or depersonalization, panic, insomnia, etc., which is not desirable. People need help staying healthy as they withdraw, so they don't end up falling off the cliff. Because for many of us, that just leads back to the hospital and higher doses.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:40
In reply to Re: Lou's response/request-izwhtitiz » Lamdage22, posted by Athene on October 6, 2014, at 14:33:56
Lou
what is the difference between a vision and psychosis?
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:40
In reply to Re: Lou's response/request-izwhtitiz, posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 14:29:40
> It has been revealed to me as I stood on the Mountaintop and looked down at humanity to see two roads. And on one road there were many running to and fro on a very wide road. And I saw the end of the road as death.
>
> So, you had a vision?
L,
What I am posting about here is a {revelation}. This is different from a {vision}
Lou
Posted by 10derheart on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:40
In reply to Lou's response/request-izwhtitiz » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on October 6, 2014, at 13:39:51
...and this bus always makes return trips if we wait long enough.
Posted by Phil on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:40
In reply to wheels on the bus..., posted by 10derheart on October 7, 2014, at 1:00:28
:(
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:41
In reply to Re: Lou's response/request-izwhtitiz, posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 14:25:31
> It has been revealed to me as I stood on the Mountaintop and looked down at humanity to see two roads. And on one road there were many running to and fro on a very wide road. And I saw the end of the road as death.
>
> I respect your feelings, but in my opinion everyone is going to die. Evidence strongly supports this view as can be seen on any graveyard.
>
> > If you want to post the link to one of the posts that you say says what you say it says, then I could have the opportunity to post my response to you.
>
> "I have read your predicament here and you could commit suicide or mass-murder in the condition that you are in as a result of the drugs inducing akathisia, as many doctors recognize."
>
> Doctors recognize all kinds of things. We all have candida, i have candida, we all have toxoplasmosis. The world is sickened by candida and toxoplasmosis. Well, i don't and i have wasted money for this sh*t. What doctor recognized what? Quote?
>
> I object to the opinion that mass murder can be brought on by akathisia. Excuse me, but it strikes me as pretty ridiculous.
>
>
> And if you do not want to take this opportunity to post a link to one of those, then let readers know that what you posted about me is what it is.
> > Lou
>
> "There could be a realm that you could find yourself in. This realm could be frightening if you do not know what it is. The realm starts in a few days after you stop the drug. Sometimes the realm starts later than that. This could be from stopping the drug You can call it withdrawal, you can call it discontinuation syndrome, but whatever you call it, if you do not know what it is, you could kill yourself and/or others.
> If you find yourself in that realm, this post could save your life, for people in withdrawal that do not know what it is, can think that their mind has been altered forever by the drug and that they could never return and be like they are without end so that suicide seems to be an attractive alternative to living in that state."
>
> There is no need to be in this realm because you can withdraw without being in this "realm" which i (and a couple of doctors) call PSYCHOSIS. In psychosis, a lot of things can happen (in some people). Not in controlled withdrawal.
> This psychosis wouldn't be there if the person was healthy enough and the discontinuation was slow enough.
>
> And this i find irresponsible that you describe this realm, which means psychosis, as a potential path toward health.
>
> L,
You wrote,[..what doctor recognized..?].
Here is a video with another doctor's recognition.
Lou
To see this video;
A Pull up Google
B Type in:
[ feoLOs121bQ ]>
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:41
In reply to Lou's reply-psychiatric drugs and mass murder » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on October 7, 2014, at 7:09:39
> > It has been revealed to me as I stood on the Mountaintop and looked down at humanity to see two roads. And on one road there were many running to and fro on a very wide road. And I saw the end of the road as death.
> >
> > I respect your feelings, but in my opinion everyone is going to die. Evidence strongly supports this view as can be seen on any graveyard.
> >
> > > If you want to post the link to one of the posts that you say says what you say it says, then I could have the opportunity to post my response to you.
> >
> > "I have read your predicament here and you could commit suicide or mass-murder in the condition that you are in as a result of the drugs inducing akathisia, as many doctors recognize."
> >
> > Doctors recognize all kinds of things. We all have candida, i have candida, we all have toxoplasmosis. The world is sickened by candida and toxoplasmosis. Well, i don't and i have wasted money for this sh*t. What doctor recognized what? Quote?
> >
> > I object to the opinion that mass murder can be brought on by akathisia. Excuse me, but it strikes me as pretty ridiculous.
> >
> >
> > And if you do not want to take this opportunity to post a link to one of those, then let readers know that what you posted about me is what it is.
> > > Lou
> >
> > "There could be a realm that you could find yourself in. This realm could be frightening if you do not know what it is. The realm starts in a few days after you stop the drug. Sometimes the realm starts later than that. This could be from stopping the drug You can call it withdrawal, you can call it discontinuation syndrome, but whatever you call it, if you do not know what it is, you could kill yourself and/or others.
> > If you find yourself in that realm, this post could save your life, for people in withdrawal that do not know what it is, can think that their mind has been altered forever by the drug and that they could never return and be like they are without end so that suicide seems to be an attractive alternative to living in that state."
> >
> > There is no need to be in this realm because you can withdraw without being in this "realm" which i (and a couple of doctors) call PSYCHOSIS. In psychosis, a lot of things can happen (in some people). Not in controlled withdrawal.
> > This psychosis wouldn't be there if the person was healthy enough and the discontinuation was slow enough.
> >
> > And this i find irresponsible that you describe this realm, which means psychosis, as a potential path toward health.
> >
> > L,
> You wrote,[..what doctor recognized..?].
> Here is a video with another doctor's recognition.
> Lou
> To see this video;
> A Pull up Google
> B Type in:
> [ feoLOs121bQ ]
>
> > L,
And another video with doctors testifying
Lou
To see this video, pull up Google and type in the following. Then you will see 4 videos to choose from. The first one.
[ youtube, PL98EE8BBB6FAFC14A ]
remember that the letters are case sensitive and after the "C", that is the number 14
> >
>
>
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:41
In reply to Lou's reply-psychiatric drugs and mass murder-B, posted by Lou Pilder on October 7, 2014, at 7:48:08
Lou,
How do you differentiate a revelation from a psychotic experience?
Just because you find evidence on the internet for your claims, doesn't make them more real. You find evidence for virtually every claim a human could ever make on the internet. No matter how unlikely or ridiculous.
Yes, psychiatric drugs sometimes, even often are involved in school shootings and they likely are a contributing factor in some of these cases. But i would argue that most of these people must have been very resentful, or mad, before they received treatment, it just didn't come to the surface.
I have had what you would call a revelation as well, and it is false by all rational evidence. I do not wish to go into detail. Let me just say that acting according to this revelation was disastrous. Also, me acting according to your revelation was even more disastrous.
Furthermore, some people would argue that there are no supernatural forces in this universe, neither inside nor outside of human beings. These people would see any vision, revelation or any other type of spiritual/religious experience as a delusion.
Others would argue that not every experience perceived as a revelation is in fact a revelation. Humans are predisposed to error.
And although you stand ontop of a mountain and look down on all of us, it doesn't mean that you are an exception.I am offended that you think of us so lowly, that each and every one of us is a potential killer, because we are not. Maybe you should come down from your mountain back to earth.
I am open for discussion, but i insist that these terrible things happen (mostly) because of humans. It is humans choice to continue to take a medication that makes them hostile, isnt it? And isnt it also their choice to act on that hostility rather than to seek help?
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:42
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-psychiatric drugs and mass murder-B, posted by Lamdage22 on October 7, 2014, at 12:15:52
I am sorry, this second last one is more cruel than i intended to be.
Please ignore.I argue that medication, if anything, is just one of many factors that ultimately lead to such crimes. Certain medication, certain reactions to medication, in certain people with certain circumstances.
Also, the easy access to guns, violence in the media and the tendency of society to bring forth losers.
That would be a more rational approach.
If you want do be taken seriously, you need to back down just a little bit.
Posted by Phil on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:42
In reply to Lou's reply-psychiatric drugs and mass murder » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on October 7, 2014, at 7:09:39
Almost every near suicide by people that have been revealed to me attempted suicide because they did not take their meds. If you can't take my word for it look up video's by Kay Redfield Jamison. She's a scientist, not a scaremonger. Didn't want to take her Lithium when young and she was minutes from death in her suicide attempt. That story has been told over and over and over by suicide survivors.
Look at what our food supply has in it and did you realize, Lou, that they are full of carcinogens and neurotoxins? Everyone eats last time I checked. Eat apples? Peaches? Celery?
Worse yet a chemical to eradicate weeds and bugs in crops includes agent orange. It is approved. Would you want a young child raised on that crap? We are trying to help ourselves here while mega corporations are trying to kill us. In other words Lou, you should be addressing food, not sick people trying their level best to get well in a world of haters. We may well be worse for eating an apple.
http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/healthy-home/3274/cfs-healthy-home/tips-for-a-healthy-home/3526/top-5-pesticide-laden-fruits-and-vegetablesNumber of deaths for leading causes of death
Heart disease: 596,577
Cancer: 576,691
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 142,943
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,932
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 126,438
Alzheimer's disease: 84,974
Diabetes: 73,831
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,826
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,591
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 39,518
source: cdc.govSuicides are epidemic in every country in the world and the leading cause of death worldwide for mid-teens.(i.e. no meds in many countries)
Rural Chinese women drink pesticides to kill themselves in record numbers. They do not have access to psychiatric care.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:43
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-psychiatric drugs and mass murder-B, posted by Lamdage22 on October 7, 2014, at 12:15:52
> Lou,
>
> How do you differentiate a revelation from a psychotic experience?
>
> Just because you find evidence on the internet for your claims, doesn't make them more real. You find evidence for virtually every claim a human could ever make on the internet. No matter how unlikely or ridiculous.
>
> Yes, psychiatric drugs sometimes, even often are involved in school shootings and they likely are a contributing factor in some of these cases. But i would argue that most of these people must have been very resentful, or mad, before they received treatment, it just didn't come to the surface.
>
> I have had what you would call a revelation as well, and it is false by all rational evidence. I do not wish to go into detail. Let me just say that acting according to this revelation was disastrous. Also, me acting according to your revelation was even more disastrous.
>
> Furthermore, some people would argue that there are no supernatural forces in this universe, neither inside nor outside of human beings. These people would see any vision, revelation or any other type of spiritual/religious experience as a delusion.
>
> Others would argue that not every experience perceived as a revelation is in fact a revelation. Humans are predisposed to error.
> And although you stand ontop of a mountain and look down on all of us, it doesn't mean that you are an exception.
>
> I am offended that you think of us so lowly, that each and every one of us is a potential killer, because we are not. Maybe you should come down from your mountain back to earth.
>
> I am open for discussion, but i insist that these terrible things happen (mostly) because of humans. It is humans choice to continue to take a medication that makes them hostile, isnt it? And isnt it also their choice to act on that hostility rather than to seek help?
>
L,
You wrote about a subset of people that consider those that receive revelation in a spiritual sense to be delusional
I ask:
Are those people atheists?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:43
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-psychiatric drugs and mass murder, posted by Phil on October 7, 2014, at 15:35:05
> Almost every near suicide by people that have been revealed to me attempted suicide because they did not take their meds. If you can't take my word for it look up video's by Kay Redfield Jamison. She's a scientist, not a scaremonger. Didn't want to take her Lithium when young and she was minutes from death in her suicide attempt. That story has been told over and over and over by suicide survivors.
>
> Look at what our food supply has in it and did you realize, Lou, that they are full of carcinogens and neurotoxins? Everyone eats last time I checked. Eat apples? Peaches? Celery?
> Worse yet a chemical to eradicate weeds and bugs in crops includes agent orange. It is approved. Would you want a young child raised on that crap? We are trying to help ourselves here while mega corporations are trying to kill us. In other words Lou, you should be addressing food, not sick people trying their level best to get well in a world of haters. We may well be worse for eating an apple.
> http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/healthy-home/3274/cfs-healthy-home/tips-for-a-healthy-home/3526/top-5-pesticide-laden-fruits-and-vegetables
>
> Number of deaths for leading causes of death
>
> Heart disease: 596,577
> Cancer: 576,691
> Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 142,943
> Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,932
> Accidents (unintentional injuries): 126,438
> Alzheimer's disease: 84,974
> Diabetes: 73,831
> Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,826
> Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,591
> Intentional self-harm (suicide): 39,518
> source: cdc.gov
>
> Suicides are epidemic in every country in the world and the leading cause of death worldwide for mid-teens.(i.e. no meds in many countries)
> Rural Chinese women drink pesticides to kill themselves in record numbers. They do not have access to psychiatric care.P,
You wrote something like that I ****** address food, not...].
I ask:
Instead of posting here, I have big tobacco to address first? (millions die world-wide each year from tobacco)
Lou
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:43
In reply to Lou's reply-I'dwlkehymyal » Phil, posted by Lou Pilder on October 7, 2014, at 20:02:44
Car accidents, falls, illnesses medical, soon it will be Ebola? What next? P
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:44
In reply to Lou's reply-lytandrk » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on October 7, 2014, at 19:56:49
> > Lou,
> >
> > How do you differentiate a revelation from a psychotic experience?
> >
> > Just because you find evidence on the internet for your claims, doesn't make them more real. You find evidence for virtually every claim a human could ever make on the internet. No matter how unlikely or ridiculous.
> >
> > Yes, psychiatric drugs sometimes, even often are involved in school shootings and they likely are a contributing factor in some of these cases. But i would argue that most of these people must have been very resentful, or mad, before they received treatment, it just didn't come to the surface.
> >
> > I have had what you would call a revelation as well, and it is false by all rational evidence. I do not wish to go into detail. Let me just say that acting according to this revelation was disastrous. Also, me acting according to your revelation was even more disastrous.
> >
> > Furthermore, some people would argue that there are no supernatural forces in this universe, neither inside nor outside of human beings. These people would see any vision, revelation or any other type of spiritual/religious experience as a delusion.
> >
> > Others would argue that not every experience perceived as a revelation is in fact a revelation. Humans are predisposed to error.
> > And although you stand ontop of a mountain and look down on all of us, it doesn't mean that you are an exception.
> >
> > I am offended that you think of us so lowly, that each and every one of us is a potential killer, because we are not. Maybe you should come down from your mountain back to earth.
> >
> > I am open for discussion, but i insist that these terrible things happen (mostly) because of humans. It is humans choice to continue to take a medication that makes them hostile, isnt it? And isnt it also their choice to act on that hostility rather than to seek help?
> >
> L,
> You wrote about a subset of people that consider those that receive revelation in a spiritual sense to be delusional
> I ask:
> Are those people atheists?
> Lou
>Yes.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:44
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-lytandrk, posted by Lamdage22 on October 8, 2014, at 8:15:58
> > > Lou,
> > >
> > > How do you differentiate a revelation from a psychotic experience?
> > >
> > > Just because you find evidence on the internet for your claims, doesn't make them more real. You find evidence for virtually every claim a human could ever make on the internet. No matter how unlikely or ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Yes, psychiatric drugs sometimes, even often are involved in school shootings and they likely are a contributing factor in some of these cases. But i would argue that most of these people must have been very resentful, or mad, before they received treatment, it just didn't come to the surface.
> > >
> > > I have had what you would call a revelation as well, and it is false by all rational evidence. I do not wish to go into detail. Let me just say that acting according to this revelation was disastrous. Also, me acting according to your revelation was even more disastrous.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, some people would argue that there are no supernatural forces in this universe, neither inside nor outside of human beings. These people would see any vision, revelation or any other type of spiritual/religious experience as a delusion.
> > >
> > > Others would argue that not every experience perceived as a revelation is in fact a revelation. Humans are predisposed to error.
> > > And although you stand ontop of a mountain and look down on all of us, it doesn't mean that you are an exception.
> > >
> > > I am offended that you think of us so lowly, that each and every one of us is a potential killer, because we are not. Maybe you should come down from your mountain back to earth.
> > >
> > > I am open for discussion, but i insist that these terrible things happen (mostly) because of humans. It is humans choice to continue to take a medication that makes them hostile, isnt it? And isnt it also their choice to act on that hostility rather than to seek help?
> > >
> > L,
> > You wrote about a subset of people that consider those that receive revelation in a spiritual sense to be delusional
> > I ask:
> > Are those people atheists?
> > Lou
> >
>
> Yes.
>
L,
You wrote,[...it is human(')s choice to continue to take a medication that makes them hostile, isn't it?...].
Would it be their choice if they were addicted to the drug that makes them hostile?
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:44
In reply to Lou's reply-addiction » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2014, at 9:39:36
> You wrote,[...it is human(')s choice to continue to take a medication that makes them hostile, isn't it?...].
> Would it be their choice if they were addicted to the drug that makes them hostile?
> LouI think the answer to this question is no simple yes/no thing. I would say attenuated.
I think its not right to talk like this about ALL drugs. The drugs that (mostly) cause addiction seldom cause hostility.
And im not sure if the meds that can cause hostility also are addictive.If you could be more specific, i could give a specific answer.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:45
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-addiction, posted by Lamdage22 on October 8, 2014, at 13:28:55
Lou, what do you think they are addicted to then, if the drug makes them hostile?
I thought people take drugs to fee euphoric and at peace and that this feeling is addicting. How can hostility be addicting?
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:45
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-addiction, posted by Lamdage22 on October 8, 2014, at 15:09:38
I have been what you would call addicted to Nardil.
Stopped because of psychosis and hostility in certain situations.I haven't stopped earlier, because for a while, the medication was helping tremendously.
Can you be addicted to the concept of a good life? Would you really call this addiction? Because it implies that there is anything wrong with it.
I would call addiction everything that is trying to replace a good life. Alcohol, gambling and so on. Because that is negative.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:46
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-addiction, posted by Lamdage22 on October 8, 2014, at 13:28:55
> > You wrote,[...it is human(')s choice to continue to take a medication that makes them hostile, isn't it?...].
> > Would it be their choice if they were addicted to the drug that makes them hostile?
> > Lou
>
> I think the answer to this question is no simple yes/no thing. I would say attenuated.
> I think its not right to talk like this about ALL drugs. The drugs that (mostly) cause addiction seldom cause hostility.
> And im not sure if the meds that can cause hostility also are addictive.
>
> If you could be more specific, i could give a specific answer.
>
L,
How do you make the conclusion that the drugs that mostly cause addiction seldom cause hostility?
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:46
In reply to Lou's reply-pseldum » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on October 9, 2014, at 7:41:39
> > > You wrote,[...it is human(')s choice to continue to take a medication that makes them hostile, isn't it?...].
> > > Would it be their choice if they were addicted to the drug that makes them hostile?
> > > Lou
> >
> > I think the answer to this question is no simple yes/no thing. I would say attenuated.
> > I think its not right to talk like this about ALL drugs. The drugs that (mostly) cause addiction seldom cause hostility.
> > And im not sure if the meds that can cause hostility also are addictive.
> >
> > If you could be more specific, i could give a specific answer.
> >
> L,
> How do you make the conclusion that the drugs that mostly cause addiction seldom cause hostility?
> LouExperience. Benzos don't make you hostile, Ambien doesn't make you hostile. These are that meds that are thought of as addicting in the traditional sense.
The only meds that i can think of that possibly fits your description would be Adderall, Ritalin or Vyvanse.
So what meds are you talking about? Because saying ALL meds can cause what you describe as a mix of addiction AND hostility is a bit unreflected.
How could something like SSRI MAOI or Tricyclics possibly be addicting if it is not helpful at all? Clearly, if it makes you mad enough to kill self and/or others, it is not helping and it is not a pleasant feeling either. Wouldn't most normally wired people immediately stop the drug, because they are worse?
I argue it is only certain people that wouldn't stop at this point. People that are holding a grudge. People that have felt resentful before and the drug only brings it to surface unfortunately.
Maybe people should be screened more for hostility.The only way that i can think of that someone hurts others because of a drug is that the subject has gone psychotic from lets say adderal and holds some kind of severe conspiracy beliefs and feels threatened. A mass murder that is not the result of the most severe and dangerous delusions isn't implemented by good people PERIOD.
No drug will turn an angel into a murderer and no drug turns a criminal into a saint.
I have had the most severe psychosis, so i have a reference point.
So to sum it all up, some drugs can make "bad" people worse, but they also make others better. In the case of SSRI not an awful lot, admittedly.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:46
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-pseldum, posted by Lamdage22 on October 9, 2014, at 9:18:09
No drug will turn an angel into a murderer and no drug turns a criminal into a saint.
Especially no voluntarily taken drug, because people would just stop them. I knew a girl, she took vyvanse and she stopped because of hostility. I stopped Nardil because of hostility.
We the mentally ill are not all potential killers and not all drugs are a potential contributing factor in mass murder.
CONTRIBUTING. Not THE only caue.
Thats the point i would like you to understand.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 19:45:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-pseldum, posted by Lamdage22 on October 9, 2014, at 9:29:31
> No drug will turn an angel into a murderer and no drug turns a criminal into a saint.
>
> Especially no voluntarily taken drug, because people would just stop them. I knew a girl, she took vyvanse and she stopped because of hostility. I stopped Nardil because of hostility.
>
> We the mentally ill are not all potential killers and not all drugs are a potential contributing factor in mass murder.
>
> CONTRIBUTING. Not THE only caue.
>
> Thats the point i would like you to understand.
L,
Let us look at this video:
Lou
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