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Posted by rjlockhart37 on April 28, 2014, at 20:25:05
i'm at home after class....tired as tired can get, but this has came to my mind not only in my personal case about my situation, but in general....addiction psychaty's goals are to renew and rehab a person back to normal from a paticular substance and matience it...they do good jobs at treating withdrawls and telling the patient of addiction potential of other drugs, but in some ways they restrict conditions that are valid to treat and use frequently off label drugs, or sometimes not even anything paticularry with my case, and who cares if doctors read this....my rebutal plans are starting becoming active, school is important at the moment and the amount of effort i have to put in studying is much greater than other people, and in my case i have a background of amphetamine abuse....yet it's not active.....
so....if you read this and are having problems with a addiction treatment refusing, go in the session, tell them franklly your doing fine, and then get the hell out of there....google what ever condition you have that they refuse to treat, they tend to beat around the bush on anxiety, pain, and adhd issues because the drugs are obviously addiction potential, but if they really are needed and they refuse, get out of there....they won't help, but really depends on the doctor, and go on google and type in adhd treatment, or anxiety....i'm not advising anything about potential substances, but the reason im writing this is my case, i have been refused to be treated for both anxiety and adhd, and i have had it, and openly getting a rebual plan....forget the doctor who cares what they think, they can be arrogant and egotistical of their view on treatment, get a doctor that is going to truely help you......
get the insurance plan, leave treatment care but have a another doctor know what happened....and the current medications.....one thing also is if someone is taking a high amont of benzos or anything some shrinks will refuse to write the script....obviously because vary well could be a addiction feeding to that person, and it is a good idea too elimnate, for the quality of life....and another thing is selectity of patients, some shrinks will write a benzo for someone who has mild anxiety, and give another patient nuerontin for dehibiliting anxiety....it's all how they see the patient, observations, anyzing the situation....and paticularly a case when xanax is given to someone with mild anxiety and is refused for someone who is having panic attacks because they don't believe it is appropriate for the situation... that's the backward spiral....
see my view of addiction is when it potentially destroys the quality of life....to the point where a person cannot function, or cope without a substance, or abuse to create a pleasant feeling to feel good, cope, and trying to enhance confidence paticually with amphetamines....opiates give a soothing pleasant, wholennes feeling, and the benzo's cause relaxation, and then people start wanting to increase the relax/euphoria similar to having alcohol drinks and repeat the intake until intoxicated.....that is when addiction treatment is needed, the withdrawl medications are used during that time....and that is an obligated situation due to possible death from withdrawl.....
but when they franly won't use something that is directly needed, they consider a patient as drug seeking/drug shopping/trying to obtain a narcotic or benzo...yet it's in a situation that it needs treatment that's when addiction treatment becomes complicated, and when that happens you need to get a new doctor.....
my paticuar story is a history of amphetmaine abuse, and started to cause more problems and in my case, treatment was needed, but i did treatment on myself, i stopped it for long periods of time because i realized what it was causing....yet my cognitive state declined from the period of 2009-till now, first doctor i saw put me on heavy doses of geodon and zyprexa 160mg of geodon and 10ng of zyprexa....and i was so spaced out i had no personality, anyways that doctor discharged me again for abusing the amphetamine given, and at t his point i know i can't take it, yet my mother [and don't use this as anyway bad, im just stating a brief history] called the doctor and told him i took more than prescibed, and he discharged me, after that i raged against both the doctor and her....they stripped me of meds.....went to rehab, had to deal with another addiction specialist that wouldnt listen to me, and messed around with my meds....i have to say i have been treated well for the zyprexa and lamictal, yet i can't really work any farther than that...and i still am having to deal with that treatment, until school is finished, and i can live on my own... the thing you need to know when you realize you have a problem is when you start to get out of control, and insane/illegal/manic states caused by drug induced states, that's when you have to stop it, flat out....it will create all happiness to be linked too having a substance to function... no matter how much the mind wants the pleasure....go to a ER room and have them treat for withdrawls, but in the main thing is with opiates, herion, it make a person sick, if they do not have the intake anymore and that's when suboxone or any lower level opiate to treat the opiate induced withdrawl states....benzo withdrawls need to be tapered off with lower doses of them....that and nuerontin.....
but after all this, i've made my mind up not be a hopeless person just floating in life, not in any direction, that phase is over with, so even with a impaired mind in some areas, i've got to move out of the hopeless drift stage.....no doctor works with me, so that's the main reason part of this post, and espcially irritates me when i am not taken seriously, and give that look that i'm making up stuff, believe me i wouldnt be writing this post if i was a joe blow asking for oxycodone and xanax.....and faking it and making up stories to get the doctor to have sympathy to write a script in the office, i am enraged of that treatment that was done to me
so summery: you have to get a doctor that is going to work with you, and will take you seriously, because the condition i have/had was real, and i suffered cognitive impairment, and my past doctor give me looks like im making it up, simply say i appreciate your treatment, but i'm not taking this seriously either....pay the last payment to them, and find a specialist....
the main thing that should be noted, is when anxiety and pain are defintly a condition that requires a controlled substance, that's fine but then the body adapts to the medication, making it a psychological deal, so it's being treated for both anxiety/pain/adhd/insomnia on both ends....if you think your in a safe place where you can take it for a long time, don't worry about it, but the thing is when it becomes more than just treatment and used recreationally the brain creates a dopamine release reward center....pleasure can really decive a person to do illegal things/ anything to get the pleasure, behavioral change, tempt in doing anything to get it.....that's severe cases where treatment is needed....
so ... hold on, and just know that you can control your own belief in getting better, treatment centers are only telling you that drugs are bad, but if you don't want to get sober, it's a waste of money depending what rehab your in lol
but know that the pleasure from opiate or relaxation from benzos they all have their place, but when it becomes a major need to have and abuse start's that's when you have to stop, it will destroy the quality of life....well not totally but the drug is causing more problems than it was prescibed for....yet get basic needs needed for anxiety that have to be treated, just like me....i have started a new start with even being disabled, get coping skills....learn how to function, try to get rewards from watching sports, googling random things, ebay, food, heck even beer sometimes lol...you have to learn to get back on regular life skills, learning to walk in great pain will definetly make you feel better when you realized you over came disorders. But lastly Jesus Christ's healing is there.....i've read various reports of people getting a heat sesnation over their body, and they go into a hysteria laughing because they have been healed. Yet the thing that makes me think is it doesnt happen to those who pray all the time for healing....so, the mindset, get out of all rabbit hole thinking that was created and pull out.....
thank you for reading friend....
r
Posted by LouisianaSportsman on April 28, 2014, at 22:26:25
In reply to addiction treatment, posted by rjlockhart37 on April 28, 2014, at 20:25:05
Forget about your addiction treatment background and find a qualified PDOC who is responsive for what you need.
If you were to get clonzepam #60 0.5mg. and amp ir #90 10mg-- would you be able to make it all month?
I feel like the Xyprexa is indicated for you, and I believe a classical SSRI would be best supplemented. Have you considered Zoloft?
Zyprezxa
SSRI
Lamicatal (have you considered Topamax?)
Clonazepam PRN
initiate stimulant ADHD medicationI think that would be the best way to go. Do you have to go to these doctors that aren't even treating your symptoms properly?
Posted by burial on April 29, 2014, at 6:16:52
In reply to Re: addiction treatment, posted by LouisianaSportsman on April 28, 2014, at 22:26:25
when i went to substance abuse clinic all they told me was to go to anonymous clubs which i didn't like a bit. Now i don't see any problems to take a substance here or there as long as i take my medicine and think positively
Posted by klein on May 1, 2014, at 0:59:17
In reply to Re: addiction treatment, posted by LouisianaSportsman on April 28, 2014, at 22:26:25
> Forget about your addiction treatment background and find a qualified PDOC who is responsive for what you need.
Great advice L. I'm not sure who's the recipient of this thread. Just let go of what you've been told about addiction (most of it is a lie) and see a pdoc and, if possible, a counselor or therapist who does NOT "specialize in addiction".
My 20s are a blackout, I had a huge substance abuse problem (alcohol). It took me a full decade to realize that the advice these experts were giving me (not to mention the former addicts who felt that they were doomed to a lifelong recovery process) was plain wrong. Those methods obviously did not work, otherwise I would have "recovered" very quickly.
Changing my thoughts, that's how I instantly "recovered". 10 years later, I've never looked back.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 1, 2014, at 22:42:01
In reply to Re: addiction treatment, posted by LouisianaSportsman on April 28, 2014, at 22:26:25
these are my medications:
prozac 60mg
lamictal 400mg
zyprexa 20mg
nuvigil 250mgit's a good combo, yet it's hard to work with because im stuck at that....so my doctor really just views me as a grunt compared to other patients....told me the call her and they work with the medications, i'm getting out soon, it's a prison treatment, yet it is being treated for the indicated symptons, it's not really going to change, i ask to switch meds....and it's refused....it's a grunt treatment, i need to get away from it
ativan did work when i took it for anxiety....yet in addiction treatment in my case it's not used, so liek i said the only way to get treatment for the anxiety is to get a new doctor, addiction treatment with me creates obstacles to getting better, and ADHD medication is refused....even strattera....
so....i know it's a grunt patient treatment, she told me other people call and work with the meds....im not one of them and im not taken seriosuly....so, all my spiritual sides i believe in are getting me out of this....a higher power
until then i have gotten a drive to persue my career...even in this handicapped state, i can write fine, yet absorbing and understanding moderate information is hard....it's all having a strong will and belief over the apparant signs that it's not possible.....im throwing all this out, the treatment, and my self since 2009....i sat like a duck in water, nothing moved....
maybe i can share tips of learning to get out of horrid conditions.....it's all the belief and will....
thanks for the post:)
r
Posted by Beckett on May 7, 2014, at 2:32:20
In reply to addiction treatment, posted by rjlockhart37 on April 28, 2014, at 20:25:05
Hi RJ,
Going to school is wonderful. I'm glad you see it as a positive process to gain independence and center yourself. I wonder about the dose of lamictal. I take lamictal 200 mg, and that dose interferes with thinking, especially word recall. 400 mg seems high, and I wonder how that dose impacts your ADHD issues.
Btw, I went through rehab and it really sucked. I had to hold on to my beliefs and my sense of self. I was told that I was an addict and will always be an addict. I think that that kind of talk is bullsh*t. Remain strong. I'm so sorry that you are dealing with addiction specialists. They can be insensitive hard *sses.
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