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Posted by Christ_empowered on April 7, 2014, at 10:27:18
If you have amphetamines w/o an Rx, you go to jail, maybe prison, you'll probably be court ordered into some sort of "treatment." Have an Rx? You must have ADH-Depressio-Whatever-The-F*ck, right? Right.
My meds help me. I just wanna put that out there, before I start rambling. Abilify, in particular, has been a real godsend.
But...what if I were court ordered to be injected with...something (around here, probably Prolixin) ? Almost happened. Why didn't it? White, male, no criminal history, upper middle class people behind him. These aren't *psychiatric* issues; they're social issues, demographic issues. And yet...they saved me (along with, I believe, God Himself) from a life in what Szasz would call "Psychiatric Slavery."
OK. Freakishly high % of kids in foster care and/or on Medicaid are doped to the gills. What gives? And...how can a kid who's been on neuroleptics since age 3 or whatever possibly function as someone who's been drug free (save perhaps Ritalin or Adderall for the more comfy classes) possibly deal with life?
Ugh. I just wish there was a way to find...if not "middle ground" then...a third, viable option...between Szasz (no insanity defense, its all BS, secular humanistic libertarianism) and the more damaging, oppressive practices we see in modern day psychiatry. Ugh.
I used to be into Soteria House. Now, I think tranquilizers (in my case, plus Orthomolecular) are really, really helpful...IF they work for the patient and IF psychosocial factors are addressed. You can't medicate away poverty, misery, despair, right?
I'm blessed. Upper middle class family behind me, 2-3 clean, modern meds, nice place to live, hope and a possible future. Yes, good...for me.
I've experienced the other end of it. P!ss your people off and you just might get electroshocked. Seriously. I shouldn't have survived.
Just ramnbling...
...your thoughts?
Posted by Louisiana Sportsman on April 7, 2014, at 17:02:38
In reply to are docs drug dealing tyrants?, posted by Christ_empowered on April 7, 2014, at 10:27:18
I had no idea this was such an issue. The nearest psychiatric hospital I know is an hour away, and I live in a respectable metro.
I believe GPs will push whatever drugs their reps have pushed upon them because they don't know any better, but (from my experience) they will listen to a patient who knows what they're talking about when it comes to psychiatric medication. In fact, at one point, I was going to a GP and had complete control over my medication. I now go to my PDOC who I have a great relationship with and has never really disagreed with my treatment ideas.
I think there are a lot of sketchy PDOCs who will push certain drugs on their patients. Also, they may ignore better medication options due to their biased personal opinions. Additionally, they may reject prescription of scheduled ADHD and anxiolytic drugs to patients who are indicated for them. Many will not prescribe anything that is considered "off-label". I've discussed the status of the industry with some friends who of mine who work in mental health (a clinical psychologist and a psychiatric pharmacology assistant professor), and they both agree that the field needs drastic improvements.
In terms of illegality, I'm not sure how severe this issue is. I'm sure typical neuroleptics are abused and that there are unnecessary hospitalizations. I think the penalties for being caught with scheduled substances are too severe. We will never win the drug war. I feel uncomfortable having my second dose of Adderall on me and now Xanax XR, and I shouldn't have to feel that way.
I am glad that you benefitted in some way, however.
Posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2014, at 17:27:13
In reply to Re: are docs drug dealing tyrants?, posted by Louisiana Sportsman on April 7, 2014, at 17:02:38
My pdoc will not use a med till it's been out long enough to know what the patient's experiences via his medical literature reveal. He has no problem prescribing me the benzos been on for years nor the ad's that I want. Recently he got authorization from medicaire for name brand valium which I tried as experiment. And now stopped name brand was too strong. And if a patient is committed now it's only if one is truly psychotic or suicidal. Only can hold a patient for up to 72 hours then based on the prior 72 hours a judge decides if the patient needs commitment or not. Phillipa
Posted by poser938 on April 8, 2014, at 18:51:22
In reply to Re: are docs drug dealing tyrants?, posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2014, at 17:27:13
They openly speak about these drugs like Methamphetamine screwing up someones brain long-term. But when it comes to Amphetamine (Adderall/Baby Amphetamine), psh... why on Earth would giving a 5 year old chronic doses of Amphetamine, or any other psychiatric drug, screw up his brain in the long run? I mean, goodness! Its FDA Approved for crying out loud! And everyone knows the FDA's word is almost right up there with God's!
Anyways, I'm enrolled in Obamacare now, and thanks to the rule of insurance companies not being allowed to deny paying for treatment based on pre-existing conditions, I start my course of ECT in about 3 weeks. Having ECT done would be the farthest thing from my mind, if I had not decided to buy into the idea that psychiatric meds would be safe for me 9 years ago. But I guess I will see how ridiculous the idea of ECT "resetting the brain" is. Or whether it will actually be helpful for me.
Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2014, at 20:40:32
In reply to Re: are docs drug dealing tyrants?, posted by poser938 on April 8, 2014, at 18:51:22
I do so much hope it works for you poser. So seriously going for this? Phillipa
Posted by Christ_empowered on April 8, 2014, at 22:26:31
In reply to Re: are docs drug dealing tyrants? » poser938, posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2014, at 20:40:32
you may see a post below (ok, you will...) about how ect made me dumb. It did! But...
...when *something* happened, 6ish years down the line...
...I was/am completely different! My IQ is respectable (apparently), my memory is good for new events, and I write better. I have better social skills, my need for meds and changing meds has been minimized, and...
...maybe it wasn't the end of the world. Honestly, I may be better off with a lot of memories blasted into oblivion.
Posted by Phil on April 13, 2014, at 11:56:15
In reply to Re: are docs drug dealing tyrants?, posted by poser938 on April 8, 2014, at 18:51:22
> They openly speak about these drugs like Methamphetamine screwing up someones brain long-term. But when it comes to Amphetamine (Adderall/Baby Amphetamine), psh... why on Earth would giving a 5 year old chronic doses of Amphetamine, or any other psychiatric drug, screw up his brain in the long run? I mean, goodness! Its FDA Approved for crying out loud! And everyone knows the FDA's word is almost right up there with God's!
>
> Anyways, I'm enrolled in Obamacare now, and thanks to the rule of insurance companies not being allowed to deny paying for treatment based on pre-existing conditions, I start my course of ECT in about 3 weeks. Having ECT done would be the farthest thing from my mind, if I had not decided to buy into the idea that psychiatric meds would be safe for me 9 years ago. But I guess I will see how ridiculous the idea of ECT "resetting the brain" is. Or whether it will actually be helpful for me.my mother had ect in her sixty's, it pulled her out of the worst breakdown i've ever seen.
psychiatry has only so much to work with, exactly like oncologist's.
we hate psychiatrist's and love our oncologist. guess which is worst.
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