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Posted by ChicagoKat on February 27, 2013, at 15:56:57
My pdoc is trying a reall oldie anxiolytic, meprobamate (Miltown) to try to get a grip on my anxiety. Has anyon else ever tried this? Or does anyone know much about it? Thanks!
I'm very sorry I was away and didn't say why. Another of my boneheaded moves. But I'm OK. I have a cat who got so sick she couldn't breath, and her gume were white - a terrible indication in cats or dogs of cardiovacular collapes and immenent death I drove like a mad wowmn and kept kinda slepping Amy on the side (not to hard), but I wanted her to stay alove, and adrensln iside her system was the only soolution. Forrunately, she surved :)
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on February 27, 2013, at 16:46:02
In reply to Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown, posted by ChicagoKat on February 27, 2013, at 15:56:57
Meprobamate (Miltown, Equanil) was the first "minor tranquilizer" and was very popular from the mid 1950's to the mid 60's.
When Librium and Valium came out, its flame started to fade, because they were foud to be more effective in most cases., while causing less drowsiness.
That said, you dont have anything to lose by giving it a try, and if it works, you have an enormous amount to gain?
Is it still avaliable in the US, it disapeared from the Australian marklet some time in the 1980's from what I can gather
Posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2013, at 18:17:49
In reply to Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown, posted by ChicagoKat on February 27, 2013, at 15:56:57
Kat welcome back. Believe it or not Miltown with valium were the first meds I ever took for severe panic disorder. Was 24 at the time. Took 400mg I think was the dose of Miltown, and 5mg of valium three times a day. Within days anxiety was gone. Since no internet then and really wasn't controlled I scripts for many months of each med. After about a year I just stopped the Miltown didn't need it. And absolutely no withdrawal systems. I remember the doc being astonished that I had none. But at the time knew nothing of meds. Just stopped meds when didn't need them. Was running own Aerobics business then with three kids at home and heading toward divorse. It was a great med. Soma also has some of the properties of Miltown in it. Took Miltown in 71-72. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2013, at 18:26:34
In reply to Re: Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown » ChicagoKat, posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2013, at 18:17:49
Kat and never ever had a side effect just googled the Miltown. And says no to taking with valium. But the doc prescribed that way. Slept well. Tons of energy. And even drank with the meds. Phillipa
Posted by schleprock on February 27, 2013, at 19:48:14
In reply to Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown, posted by ChicagoKat on February 27, 2013, at 15:56:57
> My pdoc is trying a reall oldie anxiolytic, meprobamate (Miltown) to try to get a grip on my anxiety. Has anyon else ever tried this? Or does anyone know much about it? Thanks!
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> I'm very sorry I was away and didn't say why. Another of my boneheaded moves. But I'm OK. I have a cat who got so sick she couldn't breath, and her gume were white - a terrible indication in cats or dogs of cardiovacular collapes and immenent death I drove like a mad wowmn and kept kinda slepping Amy on the side (not to hard), but I wanted her to stay alove, and adrensln iside her system was the only soolution. Forrunately, she surved :)From Wikipedia: An acute cerebral edema caused by a reaction to Equagesic, a combination of aspirin and meprobamate, is believed to have caused the death of Bruce Lee.
Posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2013, at 20:27:50
In reply to Re: Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown, posted by schleprock on February 27, 2013, at 19:48:14
It's a really great med for anxiety. Soma was prescribed for me years later as anxiety high with lymes at the time. I don't take aspirin. Why would you post this link? It makes no sense? Phillipa
Posted by schleprock on February 27, 2013, at 22:05:37
In reply to Re: Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown » schleprock, posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2013, at 20:27:50
> It's a really great med for anxiety. Soma was prescribed for me years later as anxiety high with lymes at the time. I don't take aspirin. Why would you post this link? It makes no sense? Phillipa
It just happened to be on the Wikipedia page for meprobamate. Maybe it's not safe to take with aspirin? Lou would probably know more. I think he was just talking about the dangers of aspirin the other day.
Posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2013, at 23:03:04
In reply to Re: Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown » Phillipa, posted by schleprock on February 27, 2013, at 22:05:37
Sometimes Wiki is weird. Yes I think you are right he might know? Phillipa
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on February 27, 2013, at 23:33:05
In reply to Re: Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown » Phillipa, posted by schleprock on February 27, 2013, at 22:05:37
Well, given that Equigesic was on the market all over the world for 35 or 40 years, it would be pretty amazing if someone hadnt died after taking it. That doesnt mean that meprobamate isnt a safe drug, either on its own or with aspirin.
My grandmother ate a lamb chop for lunch, and then died that night. It doesnt follow that the lamb chop is what killed her - corrolation and causation are different
Posted by schleprock on February 28, 2013, at 16:25:16
In reply to Re: Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown, posted by jono_in_adelaide on February 27, 2013, at 23:33:05
> Well, given that Equigesic was on the market all over the world for 35 or 40 years, it would be pretty amazing if someone hadnt died after taking it. That doesnt mean that meprobamate isnt a safe drug, either on its own or with aspirin.
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> My grandmother ate a lamb chop for lunch, and then died that night. It doesnt follow that the lamb chop is what killed her - corrolation and causation are differentSir, we are not talking about "someone" here, we are talking about the legendary Bruce Lee! Bruce Lee, master of Jun Fan Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do. Bruce Lee, the man who took down Chuck Norris with the guillotine choke in Way of the Dragon. The man who defeated the renegade Shaolin Han in Enter the Dragon. Bruce lee, who outwitted both The Ninja and The Green Yamo in his very first video game!
If the immortal Bruce Lee can be taken out by a pill, what hope do the rest of us have?
Posted by joe schmoe on February 28, 2013, at 18:07:12
In reply to Re: Kat's back w/a question about an oldie:-Miltown » jono_in_adelaide, posted by schleprock on February 28, 2013, at 16:25:16
You forgot the Bruce Lee article in Wiki:
'On 10 May 1973, Lee collapsed in Golden Harvest studios in Hong Kong while doing dubbing work for the movie Enter the Dragon. Suffering from seizures and headaches, he was immediately rushed to Hong Kong Baptist Hospital where doctors diagnosed cerebral edema.... These same symptoms that occurred in his first collapse were later repeated on the day of his death.
On 20 July 1973, Lee was in Hong Kong...Lee complained of a headache, and Ting gave him an analgesic (painkiller), Equagesic....Lee was dead by the time he reached the hospital. There was no visible external injury; however, according to autopsy reports, his brain had swollen considerably, from 1,400 to 1,575 grams (a 13% increase).
Don Langford, Lee's personal physician in Hong Kong, had treated Lee during his first collapse. Controversy erupted when he stated, "Equagesic was not at all involved in Bruce's first collapse"'
So he collapsed in May after a headache, and had cerebral edema, in July he had a headache and soon after died of cerebral edema....the Equagesic in the second collapse seems incidental to an underlying condition, which was probably being kicked in the head once too often.
' Black Belt magazine in 1985 carried the speculation that the death of Bruce Lee in 1973 may have been caused by "a delayed reaction to a Dim Mak strike he received several weeks prior to his collapse"'
Posted by schleprock on February 28, 2013, at 19:01:10
In reply to Re: Bruce Lee » schleprock, posted by joe schmoe on February 28, 2013, at 18:07:12
> You forgot the Bruce Lee article in Wiki:
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> 'On 10 May 1973, Lee collapsed in Golden Harvest studios in Hong Kong while doing dubbing work for the movie Enter the Dragon. Suffering from seizures and headaches, he was immediately rushed to Hong Kong Baptist Hospital where doctors diagnosed cerebral edema.... These same symptoms that occurred in his first collapse were later repeated on the day of his death.
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> On 20 July 1973, Lee was in Hong Kong...Lee complained of a headache, and Ting gave him an analgesic (painkiller), Equagesic....Lee was dead by the time he reached the hospital. There was no visible external injury; however, according to autopsy reports, his brain had swollen considerably, from 1,400 to 1,575 grams (a 13% increase).
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> Don Langford, Lee's personal physician in Hong Kong, had treated Lee during his first collapse. Controversy erupted when he stated, "Equagesic was not at all involved in Bruce's first collapse"'
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> So he collapsed in May after a headache, and had cerebral edema, in July he had a headache and soon after died of cerebral edema....the Equagesic in the second collapse seems incidental to an underlying condition, which was probably being kicked in the head once too often.
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> ' Black Belt magazine in 1985 carried the speculation that the death of Bruce Lee in 1973 may have been caused by "a delayed reaction to a Dim Mak strike he received several weeks prior to his collapse"'Sir, no one can be kicked in the head "once too often", especially if you're Bruce Lee.
Posted by Meatwood_Flack on March 1, 2013, at 11:09:14
In reply to Re: Bruce Lee » schleprock, posted by joe schmoe on February 28, 2013, at 18:07:12
I recall reading the article in Black Belt magazine in high school. Delayed fatality by Dim Mak, the "Death Touch." Oh, we laughed and laughed. Then his son Brandon died of equally bizarre circumstances less than 10 years later. Part of what fascinated me about the martial arts back then was the underlying mysticism that went along with it in the Eastern cultures. Not necessarily believable, but fascinating. Plus, martial arts movies were all the rage back then.
Posted by joe schmoe on March 1, 2013, at 17:11:36
In reply to Re: Bruce Lee, posted by Meatwood_Flack on March 1, 2013, at 11:09:14
the "quivering pill" attack
Posted by Meatwood_Flack on March 1, 2013, at 18:47:15
In reply to Re: Bruce Lee » Meatwood_Flack, posted by joe schmoe on March 1, 2013, at 17:11:36
Exactly! The Pharmacy of Fury strikes again.
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