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Posted by AlexCanada on January 8, 2013, at 10:10:21
I been taking 5mg for a while but not sure if it's been doing much for me aside from some memory improvement.
i have severe melanchoic depression with full blown symptoms. poor drive, motivation, energy, interest, cognition...
but as i've dropped down to 2.5mg i been feeling different these past few days. it has only been few days. harder to think, mood is darker, things look darker, some anxiety manifesting from time to time, what little motivation i've had dropping off, even less interest than my already meager interest. less emotion. less capacity to enjoy anything at all.
Also 3 days I stopped taking Omega 3 500 epa 70 dha capsules about 3000-5000mg a day. I was taking them for about 4 days. Initially I felt some cognitive improvement. Easier to think. Bit of emotions restored but my mood was also becoming darker too. And I started having very vivid and horrific nightmares. I could not get more than 4 hours of sleep.
Is Selegiline capable of severe interaction with Omega 3, Magnesium Glycinate, B6, or ritalin and valium? The valium and ritalin I been taking has been mostly consistent though for months.
My valium has been reduced very slightly but that is for a long term attempt at a slow withdrawal.
I just been feeling so damn helpless past few days but especially today.
Taking valium or ritalin doesn't help alleviate the issue. Appears to do very little in the big picture. Such a dark mood, very unreactive, miserable, anxiety at times, and I feel ''jumpy''. Little things can spook me.
I'm seriously thinking I need to go back on another real anti-depressant again. I been on dozens. My doctor wants me to try Ludiomil (Maprotiline) which is an old TCA. Does it hold any promise?
I really need my cognition restored to some degree, my emotions, my capacity to enjoy things on some kind of level.
Even taking gabapentin today which usually helps lift me short term out of a terrible mood did little if anything to help.
I just feel like sleeping, so many meds are not available in canada which seem so promising such as Savella among others. I am frustrated. My emotions won't show it. I feel so lifeless, so mindless, but I am deeply frustrated. I hate this darkness.
Any advice please!
This likely is some Selegiline withdrawal but how long might it last? Also any tips on prescriptions? I am becoming desperate. Left field ideas are welcome since I been on dozens of dif meds already. Parnate helped quite a bit for over a year then pooped out. Paxil had some significant benefit for 3+ years but I had blunted emotions. Risperidone helped to some degree years ago. Remeron some mild effect. All non-paxil SSRIs were terrible but prozac likely not tried yet. Ritalin/Dex helped greatly but much tolerance these days.
I been trying to find Selegiline withdrawal symptoms and info online but it keeps taking me to some drug addict forums and non related junk.
Update: This morning is pretty terrible too. I accidentally posted this on the alternative board.
Posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2013, at 12:02:45
In reply to Selegiline/Ensam withdrawal? Feel terrible!, posted by AlexCanada on January 8, 2013, at 10:10:21
Alex we all post on the wrong boards sometimes. You know this all started with accutane a long time ago didn't it? I wonder if working backwards from that time might yield something. prozac first ad for me when wasn't depressed and was new and only came in 20mg capsules and boy it was very stimulating for me only took it three day. If only I'd listened to that doc then and taken it every three days I might be a different person. Back before ssri's I was given ludiomil. I was working and hardly made it through that day of work as was in a dreamlike stage of sleep. Honestly I didn't know it was still around. Hope you get some good advise as you have been fighting for so long. Phillipa
Posted by alchemy on January 9, 2013, at 2:00:41
In reply to Selegiline/Ensam withdrawal? Feel terrible!, posted by AlexCanada on January 8, 2013, at 10:10:21
Im pretty sure you are enjoying the withdrawal from emsam. I remember i started to get a lot of anxiety. Currently i have recently stopped parnate and have also been having cognitive problems. So im glad to hear someone else is as well and that it is a symptom of the withdrawal. I also have a worsening of anxiety, thoughts can be all over the place when trying to talk. I have the same problems i did before with motivation and interest (no change). I have also had some periods of feeling zoney and sleepy.
Posted by AlexCanada on January 9, 2013, at 3:09:57
In reply to Re: Selegiline/Ensam withdrawal? Feel terrible!, posted by alchemy on January 9, 2013, at 2:00:41
very likely. there was some small improvement when i took 2.5mg earlier today and then an hour later still eager for further improvement took another 2.5mg which brought the dose up to 5mg as it was for so many weeks. but improvement was very mild and the additional 2.5mg didn't seem to do much. I went back to feeling extremely tired, dull, withdrawn etc. darkness lingered. valium and ritalin doses didn't seem to help much at all. I felt I was grasping at straws. Even took some Magensium, some B Complex, even L-tryptophan, and some rhodiola low dose. bit spread out of course. I ended up feeling crappy in the evening just like the evening before and the day itself was just plain lousy and worthless.
I fell asleep around 7pm. woke 4 hours later. small ritalin dose, small valium dose... and they didn't seem to do much at all. I felt like I should just go to bed again soon. Cognitively dreadful.
Then I took ginkgo biloba Jarrow brand 120mg, and felt some small improvement, so I took an additionaly 120mg. And pretty soon I was feeling quite better relatively speaking to the absolute hell hole I was in for the past few days.
I even have cold hands right now which tends to happen at times when I usually feel better. I was able to enjoy reading a little bit tonight.
Overall I felt: "more positive. world seems a bit brighter. more energy, feel more awake, more alert. small tiny restoration of interest".
Still a long way to go but remarkable how ginkgo somehow pulled me out of a dark hole.
It was starting to feel like absolute hell. My issues are still severe but not to the point where I feel desperate enough to want to scream out for a new medication.
Does anyone have any idea as to why ginkgo biloba provided such an improvement? One theory is the improved circulation and blood flow.
I used to take doses of about 600mg a day of ginkgo. I think I will have to return to moderate/high ginkgo for my own good.
> Im pretty sure you are enjoying the withdrawal from emsam. I remember i started to get a lot of anxiety. Currently i have recently stopped parnate and have also been having cognitive problems. So im glad to hear someone else is as well and that it is a symptom of the withdrawal. I also have a worsening of anxiety, thoughts can be all over the place when trying to talk. I have the same problems i did before with motivation and interest (no change). I have also had some periods of feeling zoney and sleepy.
Posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2013, at 18:59:32
In reply to Ginkgo Biloba helping a bit! But how??, posted by AlexCanada on January 9, 2013, at 3:09:57
Alex that's good news. No idea about the Ginko Biloba? Phillipa
Posted by AlexCanada on January 10, 2013, at 3:07:25
In reply to Re: Ginkgo Biloba helping a bit! But how?? » AlexCanada, posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2013, at 18:59:32
i dont know why but it's worse now. yesterday night and morning felt quite better and i even had trouble sleeping due to some pleasant imagination.
today when i woke in late afternoon things ended up first lousy, then tiny bit better then gradually worse and worse and i dont even know what the hell is causing it. i maintained 5mg selegiline today. maintained similar ritalin and valium doses. maintained ginkgo.
could b6 vitamins or B complex be causing issues?
my head is burning up a lot of the time. warm hot type of sensation. hard to think. feel cognitively impaired. feel extremelt dull. usually quite tired but bit less tired this morning. ritalin only helps on a very minor level. anxiety comes and goes and it manifests for no reason.
L-tryptophan 500mg helped me for sleep but i only took it today and yesterday. my problems began a bit before then.
could it be having an interaction? it's hard to read my journals and comprehend all this.
Posted by alchemy on January 10, 2013, at 13:47:45
In reply to worse. head burning up, posted by AlexCanada on January 10, 2013, at 3:07:25
In my opinion it is primarily the emsam withdrawals. It.took a lot of time for me. I still get periods of zoney feelings, being tired, and heightened anxiety. I dont like taking more xanax, but i think that's what i have to do right now.
But also be careful not to take high doses of supplements right now to separate the reactions.
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