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Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 7, 2012, at 13:30:16
this is going to be like vineger to ask, but i've read some of your posts....insightful responses.but.like i've posted in these boards my body has a resistance to these medication to where they have effect and I told my psychiatrist and she thinks there the wrong meds for conditions. There litterly not having an effect at all and its either a hormone or a resistance...its an undignosed issue because I can't find anything medically that could cause this....its really frustrating.
but don't be worried if there's still no solution to this...the things that do absorb and take effect clonodine...alcohol...and some stimulants that I've taken.
I am really frustrated there's no awnsers.
rj
Posted by phidippus on September 8, 2012, at 15:23:43
In reply to eric..., posted by rjlockhart37 on September 7, 2012, at 13:30:16
Thanks.
I don't think you're experiencing resistance to the drugs. I think your psychiatrist is right in saying they're the wrong med for your condition. You are dealing with an undiagnosed issue and that's got to be very stressful-feeling like there's something wrong with you, but not knowing what it is.
The fact that Clonidine and stimulants help you makes me wonder if you have ADHD.
Can you tell me your history with stimulants?
Eric
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 8, 2012, at 23:17:50
In reply to Re: eric... » rjlockhart37, posted by phidippus on September 8, 2012, at 15:23:43
i've been on mainly dextroamphetamine for a long time...it worked well...increased my thought patterns, it didnt solve some of my social or thoughts that torment...but it increased the structure of thought, this period without being on a stimulant has been rough making me feel I can't have a stable conversation without moving to topics that have no relation...my current issue with my pdoc is she thinks I have a thought disorder...before that it was disorganized schizo...and before that it was an autistic condition called asbergers...i would never take that label...and before that it was ADHD...and all this stupid rediagnosing has been a big pain in my life because doctors just sit and intellectize and don't even recognize the main point...maybe the'll come up with epilectic condition next....its annoying.
My tendancy to redose with stimualnts later in the day is more prone...I know drug people who are litterly prescibed 150mg of adderall...5 30mg daily...its crazy, but they go to certain doctors and certain pharmacies. I mean if I was given another chance with stimulants, I have to say I don't think I would take it because my mother is the big mouth that goes into the session and discloses im abusing, if she's not allowed in she faxes and calls the doctor...its like a fly rat...vary annoying. But still, I have to have morality to take medication as prescibed, even thought there alot of people who take more...there all out there, if I can dispose of my mother then maybe thing will be better.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 8, 2012, at 23:33:17
In reply to Re: eric..., posted by rjlockhart37 on September 8, 2012, at 23:17:50
well let me take that back...just I know that I will have a urge to redose...my doctor will not work with me with advanced ADHD issues...like take one morning noon and night like some people....the only good thing I could have a chance with is concerta or vyvanse...but ... i don't want to swear to my doctor that it won't happen again...and then it happens.
But still the condition im in is really bad...feeling im trapped, my life is over, I can't even think correctly with evidence when Im out with friends and and miss social ques and some parts of the conversation...my mom lives in a state where she says God will take care of it....not everything...like the diabeties issue im having shes finally listening but I'm suppost to be making doctors appointments, its codependcy...and that's whats killing my developement, im not going to flatter with words about this because people have told me over and over to do something and I didnt do anything...so its my choice that caused most of this problem.
Posted by phidippus on September 9, 2012, at 15:12:38
In reply to Re: eric..., posted by rjlockhart37 on September 8, 2012, at 23:33:17
That's what I was worried about the state of you and amphetamine use. Clonodine is used to treat ADHD, BTW.
My worry is that your past abuse of stimulants may have caused some damage. I've been researching neurotoxicity of amphetamines and the bottom line is dextroamphetamine can cause the same kind of damage as methamphetamine. It may be just the ADHD causing your mental confusion, but it also may be more.
Some of the feelings you express are straight up depression, so of course I'd recommend an antidepressant-I know the Prozac isn't working for you, but maybe another will.
ADHD, depression and possible brain injury.
Eric
ps. I like the way you express yourself when you write.
Posted by phidippus on September 9, 2012, at 15:25:51
In reply to Re: eric..., posted by rjlockhart37 on September 8, 2012, at 23:17:50
"thoughts that torment"
Do you experience bad thoughts that you can't get out of your head? That's OCD.
I don't think you have a thought disorder. I find nothing unusual about the presentation of your thoughts and feelings. You can be a little disorganized, but that's just ADHD.
"doctors just sit and intellectize and don't even recognize the main point"
What is the main point?
"150mg of adderall"
I take 70 mg of Vyvanse. I wonder how that compares.
"if I can dispose of my mother then maybe thing will be better"
In jail?
Why do you think you redose stimulants?
I think you'd do well on Vyvanse. It has a low abuse potential and a long half-life.
Eric
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 10, 2012, at 15:55:48
In reply to Re: eric... » rjlockhart37, posted by phidippus on September 9, 2012, at 15:12:38
yea my doctor thinks alcohol and methamphetamine...dextroamphetamine whatever has caused damage....now i know after long periods of use with methamphetamine the horrid feeling of being washed out and can't even think right...no dopamine left...that period lasted for about a day after use...but still my brain regained its capabilites after that. Still it was something more than that happeneed....my psycholo. and psychiat think trama happened but I can't recall anything....i mean i'm not a in iraq and expeiriencing the bad tings that happened over there...its vary mild but what ever it was did cause damage.
i know i have adhd but there's more things that cause problem in solving problems that could link something to part retardation with thinking in solving terms....i researched that a couple nights ago...
yea...
thanks...rj
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 10, 2012, at 20:06:55
In reply to Re: eric..., posted by phidippus on September 9, 2012, at 15:25:51
"thoughts that torment"
Do you experience bad thoughts that you can't get out of your head? That's OCD.
-- yea...its definely ocd...because its constant and bothers me to a point where it interferes with mind peace...i checked myself into a psych hospital because my mind started thinking there was this spirit called the trickster and he would jump into other people and I couldnt get away from him...when I got into the psych unit...he was in the doctors because of the smirks of facial change....i know its crazy....something just can't be explained without a disorder labeled for it.
I don't think you have a thought disorder. I find nothing unusual about the presentation of your thoughts and feelings. You can be a little disorganized, but that's just ADHD.
-- thank you!! that's all i've been trying to tell all these doctors and they ignore it and diagnose me with crazy thought disorders...saying I damaged my brain due to drug use...i gotta to say my use was not the cause of this, this was going on wellbefore abuse began...there idiots...misdiagnose and refuse to hear...i just need to trash these road blocks, get a new doc.
"doctors just sit and intellectize and don't even recognize the main point"
What is the main point?
-- that the basis symptoms where ignored which was alertness and low ability to maintain stable thought process that was linked to low dopamine. My doctor is a case...she thinks I haave too much dopamine, it maybe mixed with degregulation in the mind...some alot in some places, others too low causing a unstable process in everything I do...memory, socialization, slow motivation, horrible math skills...yea etc
"150mg of adderall"
I take 70 mg of Vyvanse. I wonder how that compares.
-- 70mg is 30mg of adderall that's spread out on a longer span...140mg[2 70mg's] is similar to adderall xr 60mg but its just diffrent in some effects.
"if I can dispose of my mother then maybe thing will be better"
In jail?
-- i've already had that incident happen...no matter how much I get anger with my parents, if that happens again...its out to jail and the street and having to find someone new... Maybe that's the best thing, but im just glued where I am due to comfort and codepency issues.
Why do you think you redose stimulants?
I think you'd do well on Vyvanse. It has a low abuse potential and a long half-life.
--I personally should not be eager to do it...because I know that i will tempted to redose...after it wears off....and then if my doctor found out throug the media feed from my mother than that would be strike 3 and after that it will be vary difficult to even start over. I will have to discuss short supply weekly until I know fully that I will not take more....
thank eric....
:)
Posted by phidippus on September 11, 2012, at 5:03:18
In reply to Re: eric... » phidippus, posted by rjlockhart37 on September 10, 2012, at 20:06:55
>its definely ocd...because its constant
You REALLY need to tell your doctor that you have intrusive and recurrent thoughts. Explain to them you have bad/strange thoughts that won't go away and you know they are irrational. Tell them you suspect you have OCD.
Once that's established, you'll need an antidepressant in a high dose to treat the OCD. I would recommend stopping the Prozac and getting on Luvox or Clomipramine. If those don't work, their are plenty of other antidepressants to try. I use Viibryd for my OCD.
KEEP TAKING THE FANAPT. It has shown to lower ppi in studies-prepulse inhibition which tends to be high in people with OCD.
>there was this spirit called the trickster and >he would jump into other people and I couldnt >get away from him
This is OCD. You knew your thoughts were irrational, but they kept playing back in your head.
>I will have to discuss short supply weekly until >I know fully that I will not take more....
I think you need to be on a stimulant.
Eric
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