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Posted by F00TBALL on March 30, 2009, at 0:23:01
I'm a college student who began taking Lamictal in the summer.
Side-effects involving memory and concentration resulted in me getting off it in early November. The problems HAVE CONTINUED, however.
I'm having severe concentration/focus and short-term memory problems. I have extreme difficulty reading, and have to reread lines multiple times to begin to comprehend the text. Basically, I just feel like my brain and my mental processes are running at half speed.
After finding some information about Deplin possibly being beneficial, I tried it...nothing changed.
I'm seeing similar information about Cerefolin NAC. Is it worth trying even if Deplin did nothing for me?
Is it possible that these cognitive impairments may be some sort of permanent brain damage?Any information would be helpful...
- Thanks
Posted by SLS on March 30, 2009, at 6:57:22
In reply to Lamictal - Permament brain damage??, posted by F00TBALL on March 30, 2009, at 0:23:01
> I'm a college student who began taking Lamictal in the summer.
>
> Side-effects involving memory and concentration resulted in me getting off it in early November. The problems HAVE CONTINUED, however.
>
> I'm having severe concentration/focus and short-term memory problems. I have extreme difficulty reading, and have to reread lines multiple times to begin to comprehend the text. Basically, I just feel like my brain and my mental processes are running at half speed.
>
> After finding some information about Deplin possibly being beneficial, I tried it...nothing changed.
> I'm seeing similar information about Cerefolin NAC. Is it worth trying even if Deplin did nothing for me?
> Is it possible that these cognitive impairments may be some sort of permanent brain damage?
>
> Any information would be helpful...
> - Thanks
Sometimes, people mistake the symptoms of the underlying illness with the side effects of the drugs they have been on, especially when there is so much overlap. The things you describe are exactly what one would expect for depression in the absence of Lamictal. I don't believe you have permanent brain damage. I was on Lamictal for over 3 years before I realized that it was affecting me cognitively. I thought all of my cognitive impairments were due to my depression. When I lowered the dosage to 200mg, the Lamictal-induced impairments disappeared immediately, leaving me with those impairments that are a normal part of depression. I can't say for sure that there are no residual impairments with you due to your exposure and discontinuation of Lamictal, but I doubt it.I doubt Cerefolin would be helpful if Deplin was not. However, the problem with trying to advise someone on manipulating their brain chemistry is that so much of treatment is trial and error and fraught with paradoxical effects. What I am trying to say is that, although there are differences between the two preparations, I doubt that the addition of the two substances to Cerefolin would make it work better than Deplin. However, I can't know that for sure. If money is no object, I don't think it can hurt to try it.
Which drugs have helped you the most?
Which drugs have hurt you the most?
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on March 30, 2009, at 12:20:34
In reply to Lamictal - Permament brain damage??, posted by F00TBALL on March 30, 2009, at 0:23:01
Football weren't you also on nardil or am I thinking of someone else? I tried Deplin for two weeks. One day felt better that was it and it's expensive. Love Phillipa
Posted by NewQuestions on March 30, 2009, at 14:23:42
In reply to Re: Lamictal - Permament brain damage?? » F00TBALL, posted by SLS on March 30, 2009, at 6:57:22
I was on 100 mg of Lamictal for 3 months with no problems. However, when I increased the dose to 200 mg, I experienced major cognitive decline. I went off of it and still have cognitive problems. However, I was also going off an SSRI and was on a benzo, so they could have caused the problems, and could be continuing to cause the problems. What other medications have you been on?
Posted by Zyprexa on March 30, 2009, at 20:56:50
In reply to Lamictal - Permament brain damage??, posted by F00TBALL on March 30, 2009, at 0:23:01
I had the same problem as you with Lamictal, it made me stupid. I stoped taking it and it took a while for the effects to go away. I think I took it about as long as you and the effects took about 3 months to go back to normal. I was taking 100mg at highest dose. What did you take?
Posted by desolationrower on March 31, 2009, at 1:33:09
In reply to Re: Lamictal - Permament brain damage??, posted by Zyprexa on March 30, 2009, at 20:56:50
the NAC in cerefolin could be helpful, i take it you have bipolar depression? i probably would just get NAC (or even all 3 ingredients) on its own, it is much cheaper.
-d/r
Posted by Jeroen on April 4, 2009, at 14:21:11
In reply to Re: Lamictal - Permament brain damage?? » F00TBALL, posted by SLS on March 30, 2009, at 6:57:22
hi, lamictal gave me permanent brain damage
so what youre saying is true
Posted by yxibow on April 5, 2009, at 4:55:41
In reply to Re: Lamictal - Permament brain damage??, posted by Jeroen on April 4, 2009, at 14:21:11
Undoubtedly certain psychoactive substances can cause permanent syndromes -- HPPD can be caused by quite an array of 'entheogens'.
I'm sure that there are even earlier FDA approved substances that have proven to cause syndromes -- whether all of these and the above is 'brain damage'......is in ways semantic, as technically full brain damage is visible tissue destruction, lesions, and other such things that can be demonstrated on sophisticated imaging.
Is the rare iatrogenic orofacial/orobuccal non-tardive psychologically charged tic that I received most likely as exposure to high doses of Seroquel 'brain damage' -- who knows.
It probably wouldn't show on an MRI as if it is a lesion, it would be very small. I mean, I must say that I would be more than curious.What if my entire unexplained somatoform disorder showed up as a small lesion? Would I undergo intricate and intensely dangerous brain surgery for theoretical freedom, especially if it was further inside the grey matter?
I think my various caregivers would have comments to say, not to mention what would be an impossibly hard decision myself..
But I digress...That being said, I would agree that as far as such a regulated and well used substance as Lamictal (that it is generic now as well), while possible, is fairly improbable and that the underlying disorder may have changed over time regardless.
-- Jay
Posted by elanor roosevelt on April 6, 2009, at 0:44:11
In reply to Lamictal - Permament brain damage??, posted by F00TBALL on March 30, 2009, at 0:23:01
look to the Lamictal post higher on the board the ceferolin NAC sounds like it may help
Posted by thegron on August 20, 2012, at 14:43:16
In reply to Re: Lamictal - Permament brain damage?? » F00TBALL, posted by SLS on March 30, 2009, at 6:57:22
Hey Football,
It has been a whil since this thread was used but I'm wondering if you are still experiencing cognitive decline due to the previous Lamictal use. I am going through the same thing!
-Thegron
Posted by hmariewv on October 4, 2012, at 10:09:00
In reply to Re: Lamictal - Permament brain damage??, posted by thegron on August 20, 2012, at 14:43:16
I have having the same problems only much worse! I took Lamictal generic for 15 months and didn't realize what was causing my problems. I changed completely and can no longer do the things I once did! I became suicidal ,crying all the time for days , then my memory became so bad I could not drive around town without getting lost. I'm not the same person at all. I've been off the lamictal for 2 yrs and still can not take care of myself. I once was a strong smart person who home schooled my children and now I have trouble doing simple little things like cooking. I was not bipolar and should never have been on lamictal. I have been trying to research what to do to undo the damage it has caused!
Posted by Jeroen on October 4, 2012, at 10:16:22
In reply to Re: Lamictal - Permament brain damage??, posted by hmariewv on October 4, 2012, at 10:09:00
sorry but i have Tardive dyskinesia or some form from lamictal it's been 5 years, i should have never taken it.... i am now forcefully taking seroquel and abilify, but i'm affraid the damage of the evil medicine can only be treated at this time and not reversed :(
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 4, 2012, at 15:03:02
In reply to Re: Lamictal - Permament brain damage??, posted by hmariewv on October 4, 2012, at 10:09:00
> I have having the same problems only much worse! I took Lamictal generic for 15 months and didn't realize what was causing my problems. I changed completely and can no longer do the things I once did! I became suicidal ,crying all the time for days , then my memory became so bad I could not drive around town without getting lost. I'm not the same person at all. I've been off the lamictal for 2 yrs and still can not take care of myself. I once was a strong smart person who home schooled my children and now I have trouble doing simple little things like cooking. I was not bipolar and should never have been on lamictal. I have been trying to research what to do to undo the damage it has caused!
hamariewv,
I know of two ways that people use to be healed from the damages of psychotopic drugs. One is by {human achievement}, the other by {divine accomplishment}. First, I do not know of any human on the face of this earh that has been healed of damage by the drugs by taking more drugs. There are people here trying to be healed by taking more drugs but you can read their posts and see for yourself what condition their condition is in.
Now I know of a way that could bring healing to you but there are prohibitiopns posted to me by Mr Hsiung that prevent me from posting that here. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me and you could go to the administrative board and see all the outstanding requests from mre to Mr Hsiung that involve posts that have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings IMHO that remain outstanding to this day that go back years.
You could post in those threads and I could reply to you there. But also be advised, that Mr Hsiung has cited a writing by Jean Jacques Rousseau that is the foundation for fascism as exemplified by Bonito Mussoilini and those that added to his brand of fascism. There is another prohibition to me here by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting about that brand of fascism as related to the Jewish people. And if one examines the whole forum, you could see that Mr Hsiung and his deputies could establish an indoctrination here by the nature that I am prohibitied from posting facts. Facts that in my opinion could mark the difference between some being a live person or a corpse, facts that I think could bring healing to you.
Now if members here post to you to take more drugs, just remember that 42,000 people died just last year from psychotropic drugs. And more could die going forward untill (redacted by respondent).
Lou
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