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Posted by poser938 on February 16, 2012, at 21:29:40
out of many, many things that seem severely crooked when it comes to the FDA is the fact that it took 50 years from the time antidepressants came out til the FDA finally required the suicide warning for antidepressants. and even still, this warning is only for children and young adults. we all know they can make an older adult just as suicidal as anyone, and yet the FDA lets drug companies get by without this side effect warning for them. this is just one thing of many that the FDA lets them get by with.
the listing of official possible side effects not only lets the patient have an informed decision on whether or not to try an antidepressant, but to also make his case of a side effect that may seem strange or out of the ordinary more credible to his doctor. how many times do you think a patient came to his doctor and told that ever since he has started prozac, he has become more suicidal, only to have his doctor up his dose and then therefore leading to a suicide. i think this is criminal.
Posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2012, at 23:42:26
In reply to is the FDA truly a watchdog for the people, posted by poser938 on February 16, 2012, at 21:29:40
There Is a Neighbor who is an ER doc and because of long hours and a family is now working for the FDA for reviewing meds and drugs. He's very open to the conversations I've had with him. He told me once He couldn't handle the ER with all the Medication Complications. He's hard to find at home as works long hours. I will see if can talk to him more. I know he cares deeply for patients but that is not speaking for an organization. I do agree with you. And also How do you feel the TV commericials listing side effects of meds are good or bad? Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on February 17, 2012, at 4:02:37
In reply to is the FDA truly a watchdog for the people, posted by poser938 on February 16, 2012, at 21:29:40
Did you know that zoloft did not really do well in clinical studies but because of knowing the right people the FDA decided to go ahead and give it a shot anyway. Turned out to be a decent med, but still, the point is it was passed subjectively not objectively.
One could write an entire book on all the crooked or nonsensical stuff involved with the FDA. I think they should change their purpose....simply identify potential dangers of various meds, let the real world decide if the meds actually work or not.
Amisulpride is probably one of the best meds, and yet USA will never see it due to the way the FDA is set up. Other lesser meds are praised instead. No matter amisulpride has decades of successful safe usage around the rest of the world and is approved in many countries. Just one of many examples. On and on.
How about the Lyme vaccine that ended up getting people sick with Lyme symptoms even though they weren't infected with anything. It took hundreds of screaming complaining people to get the FDA to listen, and in the end the vaccine was pulled...but to save face they declared it was pulled because "it wasn't profitable". Nothing to do with the fact it was an experiment gone horribly wrong.
The problem with government agencies like that is they have no accountability. You or me screw up at our job or do something perceived as corrupt, guess what, we're fired. Employees of WalMart are required to have far higher standards than FDA.
Maybe the "intention" of the FDA is to be a watchdog, but I think most of those types of government people are self serving elitists who have some genetic disposition to crave control of other people's lives. Hey just my opinion not intended to offend anyone who might disagree.
Intentions don't count....results do. The problem is government is not judged on results, just supposed good intentions.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2012, at 4:33:47
In reply to is the FDA truly a watchdog for the people, posted by poser938 on February 16, 2012, at 21:29:40
> out of many, many things that seem severely crooked when it comes to the FDA is the fact that it took 50 years from the time antidepressants came out til the FDA finally required the suicide warning for antidepressants. and even still, this warning is only for children and young adults. we all know they can make an older adult just as suicidal as anyone, and yet the FDA lets drug companies get by without this side effect warning for them. this is just one thing of many that the FDA lets them get by with.
> the listing of official possible side effects not only lets the patient have an informed decision on whether or not to try an antidepressant, but to also make his case of a side effect that may seem strange or out of the ordinary more credible to his doctor. how many times do you think a patient came to his doctor and told that ever since he has started prozac, he has become more suicidal, only to have his doctor up his dose and then therefore leading to a suicide. i think this is criminal.Friends,
Here is a video that I would like to include in this discussion.
Lou
To view this video:
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Antidepressants and suicide: What GSK hid from the FDA]
Posted by Christ_empowered on February 17, 2012, at 18:16:48
In reply to Lou's request-wudhevretrn » poser938, posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2012, at 4:33:47
the fda clearly works for big pharma. I know, sounds like conspiracy talk, but seriously...vioxx, anyone? Meanwhile, we're being told that vitamin supplements might actually increase cancer and death risks (not true) and that we're "protected" from excessive health risks by people who either have worked in big pharma or will work in big pharma once their stint at the fda is over. I would laugh if it wasn't, you know, killing people.
Posted by Phillipa on February 17, 2012, at 18:39:43
In reply to Re: Lou's request-wudhevretrn, posted by Christ_empowered on February 17, 2012, at 18:16:48
Reclast is another one thankfully didn't get the infusion as it's killed many on a separate orteoporosis board I susbscribe to. Recently due to this two of the members testified in Congress on their serious more than serious side effects. At the time they received the infusion it was 5mg IV. Now the FDA has lowered the dose to 1-2mg IV. Still not safe in my opinion as it's original purpose is for cancer that has spread to the bone. I said no to the doc that wanted this in me. Phillipa
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