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Posted by sheilac on January 24, 2012, at 14:23:19
I exercise and watch what I eat and have lost weight, but am still overweight. The good thing is that Geodon hasn't caused me to gain any weight (yea!)
But I do worry about getting diabetes with Geodon.
Is there a big risk with this med? Has anyone discussed this with their doctor?
Posted by tensor on January 24, 2012, at 14:44:31
In reply to Diabetes risk with Geodon?, posted by sheilac on January 24, 2012, at 14:23:19
> I exercise and watch what I eat and have lost weight, but am still overweight. The good thing is that Geodon hasn't caused me to gain any weight (yea!)
>
> But I do worry about getting diabetes with Geodon.
>
> Is there a big risk with this med? Has anyone discussed this with their doctor?
>
>I wouldn't worry about that, but do as I do and have the pdoc order some blood tests every third month or so just to be safe. Look at this table:
http://www.psychresidentonline.com/atypical%20antipsychotics.htm/t
Posted by SLS on January 24, 2012, at 16:10:10
In reply to Re: Diabetes risk with Geodon? » sheilac, posted by tensor on January 24, 2012, at 14:44:31
It appears that Geodon (ziprasidone) is the AAP least likely to produce diabetes or other metabolic syndrome effects. People demonstrating metabolic effects with other AAPs are sometimes switched to Geodon.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2012, at 16:25:39
In reply to Diabetes risk with Geodon?, posted by sheilac on January 24, 2012, at 14:23:19
> I exercise and watch what I eat and have lost weight, but am still overweight. The good thing is that Geodon hasn't caused me to gain any weight (yea!)
>
> But I do worry about getting diabetes with Geodon.
>
> Is there a big risk with this med? Has anyone discussed this with their doctor?
>
> sheilac,
You wrote,[...worry about getting diabetes..is there a big risk with this med?...].
Geodon can cause life ruining conditions and death. You see, these drugs are not tested for many years before they are allowed to be given to people so what can happen going forward could be unknown. It is after many thousands of users and many years run that there could be a betteer focus as to the picture that could be seen in relation to people being killed by the drug or them getting a life-ruing condition or be caused to go into a mind-alterd state to be compelled to want to kill themselves and or others.
Here is a site that spreads this out before your eyes. I put only diabetes in the search featture but you could use other life-ruining conditions and other drugs as well in the site.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/geodon/diabetes+mellitus
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 24, 2012, at 16:37:12
In reply to Diabetes risk with Geodon?, posted by sheilac on January 24, 2012, at 14:23:19
http://www.australianprescriber.com/magazine/34/4/97/9
Geodon has about the lowest risk for metabolic adverse effects - I'd just watch what you eat, take some daily excersise, and not worry any more about it
Posted by Brot on January 24, 2012, at 17:16:15
In reply to Lou's response-tahykehybedderloock » sheilac, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2012, at 16:25:39
Posted by Phillipa on January 24, 2012, at 18:25:58
In reply to Lou's response-tahykehybedderloock » sheilac, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2012, at 16:25:39
Lou seriously it's a vitamin or supplement site. If people or some were to discontinue there meds there could maybe be severe consequences for them. I looked at synthroid as I have an autoimmune type and it suggested I take this "Thyroid Helper". That is a supplement not approved by anyone but the seller's of the products for sale. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2012, at 19:12:05
In reply to Psychosis is also life-ruining... (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by Brot on January 24, 2012, at 17:16:15
Brot,
You subject line was:
[...Psychosis is also life-ruining...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What is the relationship, if any, with your statement here and the post of mine?
B. If there is some relationship, what is the point that you are trying to make?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2012, at 20:00:06
In reply to Re: Lou's response-tahykehybedderloock » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on January 24, 2012, at 18:25:58
> Lou seriously it's a vitamin or supplement site. If people or some were to discontinue there meds there could maybe be severe consequences for them. I looked at synthroid as I have an autoimmune type and it suggested I take this "Thyroid Helper". That is a supplement not approved by anyone but the seller's of the products for sale. Phillipa
Phillipa,
You wrote,[...if people were to discontinue their meds there could maybe be severe consequences for them...].
You are correct in that if a drug-taker was to discontinue their drug, there could be severe consequences to them. Many of you already know that these drugs can be addictive and there could be a withdrawal syndrome. And in that state of withdrawal, one could kill themselves or kill others. That is one of the reasons that I am here, to help people overcome addiction and withdrawal so that they do not kill themselves and/or other people.
But Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me. Prohibitions that IMHO could mark the difference between overcoming addiction and withdrawal or remaining on the drug and its consequences to the user.
If I was not prohibited from posting what is prohibited to me by Mr. Hsiung, then I could post here a way to have a new life. Free from addiction and depression. Free from the consequences that the drugs have the potentisl to inflict upon its users. Free from death.
Here is a link to a post here that shows the suicides and murders and other crimes commited by those taking mind-altering drugs, or were in the withdrawal period from psychotropic drugs. Fourty-two thousand people died from psychotropic drugs last year , and theer could be more than that each year going forward.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2011/msgs/996161.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2012, at 20:05:00
In reply to Lou's reply-wehygizvpsyn » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2012, at 20:00:06
> > Lou seriously it's a vitamin or supplement site. If people or some were to discontinue there meds there could maybe be severe consequences for them. I looked at synthroid as I have an autoimmune type and it suggested I take this "Thyroid Helper". That is a supplement not approved by anyone but the seller's of the products for sale. Phillipa
>
> Phillipa,
> You wrote,[...if people were to discontinue their meds there could maybe be severe consequences for them...].
> You are correct in that if a drug-taker was to discontinue their drug, there could be severe consequences to them. Many of you already know that these drugs can be addictive and there could be a withdrawal syndrome. And in that state of withdrawal, one could kill themselves or kill others. That is one of the reasons that I am here, to help people overcome addiction and withdrawal so that they do not kill themselves and/or other people.
> But Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me. Prohibitions that IMHO could mark the difference between overcoming addiction and withdrawal or remaining on the drug and its consequences to the user.
> If I was not prohibited from posting what is prohibited to me by Mr. Hsiung, then I could post here a way to have a new life. Free from addiction and depression. Free from the consequences that the drugs have the potentisl to inflict upon its users. Free from death.
> Here is a link to a post here that shows the suicides and murders and other crimes commited by those taking mind-altering drugs, or were in the withdrawal period from psychotropic drugs. Fourty-two thousand people died from psychotropic drugs last year , and theer could be more than that each year going forward.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2011/msgs/996161.html
>
> correction:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
>
Posted by Phillipa on January 24, 2012, at 21:39:31
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-correction, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2012, at 20:05:00
Lou synthroid is not a mood altering med it takes a gland that is either hyper or hypo and gets it in balance. How do you feel about cardiac meds, if you had a heart attack would you allow lets say lidocaine to be administered to you IV to stabalize you heartbeat? Or would choose possible death? Phillipa ps you could sign a DNR also do not resusitate where meds would first possibly be used and then possible defibulation and even possibly cracking open your chest and administering cardiac massage to establish a hopefully normal heart rhythmn so you would hopefully live? Phillipa
Posted by Brot on January 25, 2012, at 4:12:39
In reply to Lou's response-whtzdhapoy? » Brot, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2012, at 19:12:05
> Brot,
> You subject line was:
> [...Psychosis is also life-ruining...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. What is the relationship, if any, with your statement here and the post of mine?
> B. If there is some relationship, what is the point that you are trying to make?
> LouI mean that untreated psychosis is always life ruining. Most people benefit from an antipsychotic, by treating/controlling their psychotic symptoms.
Its always a risk vs. befefit relation. And the benefits overweigt the risks in most cases, like shizoprenia...
I prefer the risks of taking an antipsychotic than being fully psychotic and halucinating... which is fully life disabling (psychosis)
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2012, at 16:18:47
In reply to Re: Lou's response-whtzdhapoy? » Lou Pilder, posted by Brot on January 25, 2012, at 4:12:39
> > Brot,
> > You subject line was:
> > [...Psychosis is also life-ruining...].
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A. What is the relationship, if any, with your statement here and the post of mine?
> > B. If there is some relationship, what is the point that you are trying to make?
> > Lou
>
> I mean that untreated psychosis is always life ruining. Most people benefit from an antipsychotic, by treating/controlling their psychotic symptoms.
> Its always a risk vs. befefit relation. And the benefits overweigt the risks in most cases, like shizoprenia...
> I prefer the risks of taking an antipsychotic than being fully psychotic and halucinating... which is fully life disabling (psychosis)Brot,
You wrote,[...psychosis is..life-ruining...I prefer...].
The risks from taking psychotropic drugs could be that the drug could induce a life ruining condition or death.
The drugs come with a black-box warning that taking the drug could increase one's thinking about killing themselves or other violence.
Now it is not my intention here to persuade anyone to stop taking their drug(s). What I am here for is for support and education. The support that I would like to offer is that I know of two ways to overcome addiction and depression. One is by human acheivement, the other by divine accomplishment. The road of human acheivement by taking psyychotropic drugs has on the sides of the road 42,000 dead bodies just from last year. I don't know how many thousands or even millions of people there are that have taken these drugs and have life-ruining conditions such as dystonia or diabetes or heart failure or SJS or sexual dysfunction or a severe drop in IQ or others dibilitating conditions brought on by the drugs. And the social toll is unknown to me in the distruction of marriages and loss of ability to work and such as a result of taking these drugs, but it could be IMO in the millions.
And there is the argument from some that if one stops the drug they will kill themselves. That could be true in particular cases and if one was to follow what I could post here, they could avoid them killing themselves. But the way that I would post here is not by being on the road of human acheivement. The road that I would like to tell you of is a very narrow road, more like a path that only one person could be on, you would be alone.
And when I was on that path, behold a Rider on a White Horse came out of the woods. I asked,"What is the way to overcome?" He said to me, "To him that overcomes I willl grant to sit with me in a new realm, even as I also overcame and I am in that realm now."
This Rider knew of the way to overcome. That way I am prohibited from posting here due to prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung.
What a mystery was I confronted with there. I wanted to know the way out of addiction and depression. So I asked to Him, "Are you going to tell me the way?" He said to me,"I will speak things to you so that in me you shall have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2012, at 16:48:07
In reply to Lou's reply-pturhowdz » Brot, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2012, at 16:18:47
> > > Brot,
> > > You subject line was:
> > > [...Psychosis is also life-ruining...].
> > > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > A. What is the relationship, if any, with your statement here and the post of mine?
> > > B. If there is some relationship, what is the point that you are trying to make?
> > > Lou
> >
> > I mean that untreated psychosis is always life ruining. Most people benefit from an antipsychotic, by treating/controlling their psychotic symptoms.
> > Its always a risk vs. befefit relation. And the benefits overweigt the risks in most cases, like shizoprenia...
> > I prefer the risks of taking an antipsychotic than being fully psychotic and halucinating... which is fully life disabling (psychosis)
>
> Brot,
> You wrote,[...psychosis is..life-ruining...I prefer...].
> The risks from taking psychotropic drugs could be that the drug could induce a life ruining condition or death.
> The drugs come with a black-box warning that taking the drug could increase one's thinking about killing themselves or other violence.
> Now it is not my intention here to persuade anyone to stop taking their drug(s). What I am here for is for support and education. The support that I would like to offer is that I know of two ways to overcome addiction and depression. One is by human acheivement, the other by divine accomplishment. The road of human acheivement by taking psyychotropic drugs has on the sides of the road 42,000 dead bodies just from last year. I don't know how many thousands or even millions of people there are that have taken these drugs and have life-ruining conditions such as dystonia or diabetes or heart failure or SJS or sexual dysfunction or a severe drop in IQ or others dibilitating conditions brought on by the drugs. And the social toll is unknown to me in the distruction of marriages and loss of ability to work and such as a result of taking these drugs, but it could be IMO in the millions.
> And there is the argument from some that if one stops the drug they will kill themselves. That could be true in particular cases and if one was to follow what I could post here, they could avoid them killing themselves. But the way that I would post here is not by being on the road of human acheivement. The road that I would like to tell you of is a very narrow road, more like a path that only one person could be on, you would be alone.
> And when I was on that path, behold a Rider on a White Horse came out of the woods. I asked,"What is the way to overcome?" He said to me, "To him that overcomes I willl grant to sit with me in a new realm, even as I also overcame and I am in that realm now."
> This Rider knew of the way to overcome. That way I am prohibited from posting here due to prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung.
> What a mystery was I confronted with there. I wanted to know the way out of addiction and depression. So I asked to Him, "Are you going to tell me the way?" He said to me,"I will speak things to you so that in me you shall have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."
> Lou
>
> Brot,
I then was revealed from the Rider about two realms. One realm is the realm that we are born in that has a mind that is made from the dust of the ground and is flesh. The other realm is a spiritual realm where the mind is spiritual. This new realm is a life of peace and joy where there is no death or pain or suffering that the mind made of flesh has, the carnal mind. It was revealed to me that death is when you are in the carnal- mind- state and that life is when one is in the spiritual- mind- state. It was revealed to me that one can be in that spiritual-mind-state now.
Then I asked the Rider how one could passover from the death realm to the life realm. He said to me, "Let not your heart be troubled. If you believe in God, believe in me also. The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear my voice, and they that hear shall live. And I say to you thst he that hears my word and believes on him that sent me, shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death to life."
I took him at his word.
Lou
>
Posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2012, at 18:59:05
In reply to Lou's reply-phrumdthtulyph » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2012, at 16:48:07
Lou and stopped taking meds? Is this what you mean? Phillipa
Posted by Zyprexa on January 26, 2012, at 19:57:38
In reply to Diabetes risk with Geodon?, posted by sheilac on January 24, 2012, at 14:23:19
I got diabetes shortly after I started geodon. It went away a little while after I stoped it. I was on geodon for 2 years and it did not help my schitzoaffective. I was paranoid and hearing voices all the time, especialy when alone.
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