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Posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2011, at 13:49:51
Never heard of vanatrip. Anyone?
Always looking for a way to minimize sides.
I have a few transdermals on board:
Emsam remains to be seen regarding efficacy--but I can eat as I please.Flector--for pain, a nsaid that when I take orally does zip.
Voltaran gel--for pain. Same nsaid as above for unpatchable places--like feet.
I heart transdermals.
So, vanatrip, it's just another name for ami?
Thanks.
fb
Posted by Christ_empowered on June 16, 2011, at 14:27:06
In reply to vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil?, posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2011, at 13:49:51
I googled and all I got was some info about the manufacturer and elavil in general, except for one site that listed it as an oral medication. Could be wrong though.
Posted by europerep on June 16, 2011, at 17:09:05
In reply to vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil?, posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2011, at 13:49:51
I don't think there is an amitriptyline transdermal patch. it wouldn't really make sense, there is no downside to oral administration, unlike with MAOIs (food restrictions) or with pain meds like fentanyl (need for a constantly 100% steady dose of blood levels, and to prevent overdose and abuse).
Sorry :(..
Posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2011, at 17:36:45
In reply to Re: vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil?, posted by europerep on June 16, 2011, at 17:09:05
Thanks you two. I haven't had Google time today :-/
There is a topical cream with ami. I hear about it, but never find any doc that knows and reviews are few.
Always hoping.
One thing about transdermals or topicals is that the liver or kidney can be greatly bypassed. So that saves wear and tear which can be important to overall health.
Posted by Christ_empowered on June 16, 2011, at 17:57:16
In reply to Re: vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil? » europerep, posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2011, at 17:36:45
I don't know if its elavil, but I have read that one TCA (maybe more than one?) is sometimes compounded into a cream for allergies (or...something...I think I read allergies). I thought it was doxepin, but I could be wrong. Maybe a compounding pharmacy could hook you up with something special in your case?
Also, I hate to push my supplements on you (I do it to everybody, I know..), but there are supplements out there that help your liver deal with the crap it goes through. I think niacinamide is one (up to 3grams daily) and so is taurine (I have no idea how much you'd have to take for that to work). Since they both help psych issues anyway (niacinamide anxiety, taurine mood), it might be worth considering. They're also quite cheap.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2011, at 19:15:57
In reply to Re: vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil?, posted by Christ_empowered on June 16, 2011, at 17:57:16
Thanks CE. I'm looking into the supplements you mentioned.
I need to make a little supplement list from various babble posts. I go to our little market and my brain goes very blank. But not at all in a Zen way.
More like *tilt*
Posted by Christ_empowered on June 16, 2011, at 19:46:47
In reply to Re: vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil? » Christ_empowered, posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2011, at 19:15:57
hey. If you're interested, check out www.doctoryourself.com
He doesn't mention some of the things I take (such as taurine), but he does a really good job of showing you how to use vitamins (orthomolecular medicine at its finest) to lead a healthier life. Now, he has a kind of anti-drugs mentality that is a bit off-putting for anyone who has ever needed and/or benefited from pharmaceuticals, but still...good information.
Posted by zonked on June 16, 2011, at 22:52:54
In reply to Re: vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil?, posted by Christ_empowered on June 16, 2011, at 17:57:16
I think niacinamide is one (up to 3grams daily) and so is taurine (I have no idea how much you'd have to take for that to work). Since they both help psych issues anyway (niacinamide anxiety, taurine mood), it might be worth considering. They're also quite cheap.
>This is TOTALLY irrelevant. But as soon as I read "taurine", I developed an INTENSE (and I mean *intense*) craving for a Red Bull. :-) I know Red Bull has taurine added, but that is probably not why I am craving it.
Probably means zip. LOL.
Damnit. I wish I had some caffeine-free soda for the evenings - water just ain't good enough tonight. I guess I'll have to go to a grocery store tomorrow and get some caffeine-free Diet Pepsi...
-z
Posted by Phillipa on June 17, 2011, at 0:01:15
In reply to Re: vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil? » Christ_empowered, posted by zonked on June 16, 2011, at 22:52:54
A compounding RX can compound most medications so that could be it will give google a try also. Love Phillipa
Posted by europerep on June 17, 2011, at 6:38:32
In reply to Re: vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil? » europerep, posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2011, at 17:36:45
> There is a topical cream with ami. I hear about it, but never find any doc that knows and reviews are few.True, but I think it's not for depression but rather for pain or other indications they use amitriptyline for. This would be a good question for ed. Where is he by the way? I hope he didn't think his account expired at the end of 2010 ;).. you know, ed_uk2010.. *sigh*.. that's as funny as I get these days.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 17, 2011, at 9:05:39
In reply to Re: vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil? » floatingbridge, posted by europerep on June 17, 2011, at 6:38:32
Actually, europrep, that was funnuy. Sorry that I really did need the explanation :-/
I hope the add-on is working.
fb
Posted by europerep on June 17, 2011, at 13:37:31
In reply to Re: vanatrip a different form of Ami or Elavil? » europerep, posted by floatingbridge on June 17, 2011, at 9:05:39
> Actually, europrep, that was funnuy. Sorry that I really did need the explanation :-/
>
> I hope the add-on is working.
>
> fbHi,
I didn't start it yet, I got on Parnate about three weeks ago, and I'll start the add-on this weekend probably... I'll let you know how it goes.
I did think your idea through though, and in fact, maybe making an amitriptyline patch *would* be a good idea. The risk of overdose isn't as big with it as with, say, fentanyl, but still TCA overdoses are quite dangerous, so a patch would actually allow a safer administration of it. One could probably put patches all over one's body without ODing. They should do that really.
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