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Posted by John45 on September 22, 2010, at 20:44:03
I have been taking a low dose of Subutex for 3 years now and I have no history of substance abuse. It has helped tremendously with depression and anxiety. I would like to speak with others who find that the SSRIs and standard meds do not work for them. I am new to PSYCHOBABBLE. All the best, John
Posted by Tomatheus on September 23, 2010, at 1:21:33
In reply to Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe, posted by John45 on September 22, 2010, at 20:44:03
John,
Hello, and welcome to Psycho-Babble. It's great to hear that Subutex, or buprenorphine, is helping you so much with your depression and anxiety. There used to be a user here on Psycho-Babble who responded well to buprenorphine, but sadly, the person I'm thinking of committed suicide a few years ago.
I've never tried buprenorphine, but I've yet to experience a lasting robust antidepressant response from any modern antidepressant. I experienced a robust response on Nardil that lasted about three months, but that response suddenly stopped after I received what may have been a bad batch of the medication. My depressive symptoms became significantly less severe at the same time that my psychotic symptoms emerged, so my need for a good antidepressant isn't what it once was. Still, I take some medications and supplements for the symptoms that I still have, and I'm experiencing a partial-but-consistent response.
May your experience with Subutex continue to be a positive one.
Tomatheus
Posted by John45 on September 23, 2010, at 7:38:20
In reply to Re: Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe, posted by Tomatheus on September 23, 2010, at 1:21:33
Hello. Actually, there are hundreds of people on here that have had success with buprenorphine. If you type in the name of the drug you will see many topics referring to this medication. I am so sorry that someone committed suicide...that is horrible. Do you know the name of the person you are speaking of? Please be careful when you say things like this on here as many people already feel hopeless and it is not a good idea to take peoples hope away. Buprenorphine's success rate is actually MUCH higher than SSRIs. The medical community just has not caught up with it. Wishing you well, John
Posted by Tomatheus on September 23, 2010, at 8:04:58
In reply to Re: Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe » Tomatheus, posted by John45 on September 23, 2010, at 7:38:20
John,
I wasn't meaning to take anybody's hope away when I mentioned that a former Psycho-Babble user committed suicide, but I can see how saying such a thing might have that effect. I thought that it would be better to mention what I mentioned instead of leaving it up in the air as to what happened to the Psycho-Babble user, but maybe I should have been more sensitive.
To answer your question, the screen name of the Psycho-Babble user who I was referring to is pseudoname. Dr. Bob reported his suicide here in a message dated Dec. 4, 2006. Pseudoname wrote a lot about his success with buprenorphine, and I considered him to be a valuable asset to Psycho-Babble.
Tomatheus
Posted by Tomatheus on September 23, 2010, at 8:15:28
In reply to Re: Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe » John45, posted by Tomatheus on September 23, 2010, at 8:04:58
Posted by John45 on September 23, 2010, at 8:15:28
In reply to Re: Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe » John45, posted by Tomatheus on September 23, 2010, at 8:04:58
Oh wow...that is horrible! I have been reading a lot of his posts from a few years back. How sad. I am sure that whatever caused him to take his life had very little to do with buprenorphine and much to do with his mental illness or other issues in his life. SO SAD.....
Posted by Phillipa on September 23, 2010, at 13:33:18
In reply to Re: Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe » Tomatheus, posted by John45 on September 23, 2010, at 8:15:28
I didn't know that's what happened to him and I know a babbler taking it. Not good. Phillipa
Posted by Dan_MI on September 23, 2010, at 20:28:52
In reply to Re: Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe » Tomatheus, posted by John45 on September 23, 2010, at 7:38:20
Thank god Tomatheus told us about the suicide. Personally, I need every bit of information out there to try to beat this thing.
I think it would be a disservice if he omitted it.
Posted by Tomatheus on September 23, 2010, at 21:20:02
In reply to Re: Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe, posted by Dan_MI on September 23, 2010, at 20:28:52
Dan_MI and others:
I'm sorry that I ever mentioned the suicide. I did not mean to offend anyone or make things more difficult for anyone, but it seems pretty clear to me now that I did offend. I'll do my best to avoid posting any potentially triggering information in the future.
Tomatheus
Posted by bleauberry on September 26, 2010, at 10:31:08
In reply to Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe, posted by John45 on September 22, 2010, at 20:44:03
Never tried buprenorphine. Vicadin completely restores me to normal without any euphoria or high. I rarely use it for fear of the slippery slope, but it is a great emergency med.
LDN had modest antidepressant action. This is also a sort of opioid strategy.
DLPA modestly helpful. Also in the opioid arena.
I have a few theories:
1. Toxins have a high affinity for opioid receptors. Opioid substances competitively displace those toxins. Toxins include aluminum, cadmium, lead, mercury, and the poop and pee of infectious pathogens (lyme, mycoplasma, candida, etc).
2. While a normal person might be raised from normal to high on an opioid, the same lift brings a depressed patient from depression up to normal.
3. The endogenous opioid system is weak. Psychiatry is all about serotonin, NE, and DA being weak...but what about the opioids? Totally ignored. Why all the hoopla on the other three I don't know.
Posted by bulldog2 on September 26, 2010, at 10:40:00
In reply to Re: Buprenorphine (Subutex) is very effective + safe, posted by Tomatheus on September 23, 2010, at 21:20:02
> Dan_MI and others:
>
> I'm sorry that I ever mentioned the suicide. I did not mean to offend anyone or make things more difficult for anyone, but it seems pretty clear to me now that I did offend. I'll do my best to avoid posting any potentially triggering information in the future.
>
> TomatheusWe have to remember that suicides occur on almost all the ads. Lithium is the only med that has a reputation of reducing suicide. When someone commits suicide on a med is it because the med caused suicidal ideation or that simply the med ceased to work? Personally the more options that are available to fight depression the better off we are since many of the more conventional ads just don't work for many.
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