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Posted by angels78 on July 7, 2010, at 8:08:15
This question is for anyone whose taking Nardil or Parnate.
What Physical and Mental differences do you feel when contrasting Parnate to Nardil?
Posted by SLS on July 7, 2010, at 9:25:10
In reply to Parnate + Nardil Differences, posted by angels78 on July 7, 2010, at 8:08:15
I don't know if this is true in the majority of cases, but I find Nardil to be a better treatment for anhedonia than Parnate. I find that Nardil makes for a better "mood-brightener".
- Scott
Posted by jedi on July 9, 2010, at 0:27:40
In reply to Parnate + Nardil Differences, posted by angels78 on July 7, 2010, at 8:08:15
> This question is for anyone whose taking Nardil or Parnate.
>
> What Physical and Mental differences do you feel when contrasting Parnate to Nardil?Hi,
For me Parnate was a way more stimulating medication than Nardil. It did not cause the weight gain of Nardil but also did not control the anxiety as well for me. I really wanted Parnate to work because of the Nardil side effects. Unfortunately for me, I had a very rare spontaneous hypertensive episode on my last Parnate trial. That ended that.Seems to me that you have to be somewhat more careful with Parnate than Nardil when it comes to the food restrictions. I eat almost everything I want on Nardil, with the exception of aged cheeses. Some of the oddball foods that have lots of tyramine, I would not think of eating anyway. Liver has always about made me sick, even before MAOIs.
I always felt just a little too buzzed on Parnate. I could not even drink a cup of coffee or I would be totally wired. Parnate seemed to cause worse insomnia for me than Nardil. Nardil relaxes me and actually lowers my borderline high blood pressure. I credit Nardil with keeping me off the beta blockers over the past 12 years.
I do believe that Parnate has less sexual side effects than Nardil. The main problem with Nardil is delayed orgasm in males. It does not seem to cause an arousal problem for me. But at the higher doses, above 60mg for me, orgasm can be very delayed or impossible.
For social anxiety and atypical depression, Nardil just works very well for me. Some people have good results on Parnate, but I'm not one of them.
Good Luck,
Jedi
Posted by Questionmark on July 11, 2010, at 5:00:59
In reply to Re: Parnate + Nardil Differences » angels78, posted by SLS on July 7, 2010, at 9:25:10
> I don't know if this is true in the majority of cases, but I find Nardil to be a better treatment for anhedonia than Parnate. I find that Nardil makes for a better "mood-brightener".
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> - Scott
That's interesting, i would characterize them in exactly opposite ways for me. That would be a perfect summarized description if they were reversed.
I'd have to agree with all of Jedi's points, for myself.(I also wrote at least one pretty in depth personal/subjective comparison years ago here if you want to search, but I'm not good at finding things like that.)
Posted by SLS on July 11, 2010, at 5:11:34
In reply to Re: Parnate + Nardil Differences, posted by Questionmark on July 11, 2010, at 5:00:59
> > I don't know if this is true in the majority of cases, but I find Nardil to be a better treatment for anhedonia than Parnate. I find that Nardil makes for a better "mood-brightener".
> That's interesting, i would characterize them in exactly opposite ways for me. That would be a perfect summarized description if they were reversed.
And so the adage...
These drugs affect people so differently, it is often difficult to make generalizations.
- Scott
Posted by angels78 on July 11, 2010, at 8:27:12
In reply to Re: Parnate + Nardil Differences, posted by SLS on July 11, 2010, at 5:11:34
What I've found strange about Nardil is during the day if i have an Frapachino then in about 30 minutes time after I've finished the drink it seems to lessen the theurpatic effect from Nardil. It sounds odd, but happens everytime and I can feel it. The social part of me is gone. I think im going to stop drinking coffee/frapachinos for a while now. I dont know why it has that effect on me.
Posted by jade k on July 12, 2010, at 17:27:41
In reply to Re: Parnate + Nardil Differences » SLS, posted by angels78 on July 11, 2010, at 8:27:12
> What I've found strange about Nardil is during the day if i have an Frapachino then in about 30 minutes time after I've finished the drink it seems to lessen the theurpatic effect from Nardil. It sounds odd, but happens everytime and I can feel it. The social part of me is gone. I think im going to stop drinking coffee/frapachinos for a while now. I dont know why it has that effect on me.
In the thread about coffee/caffeine someone posted that coffee ruined his response to Nardil. You might want to really look into that.
~Jade
Posted by Questionmark on July 13, 2010, at 0:09:21
In reply to Re: Parnate + Nardil Differences, posted by jade k on July 12, 2010, at 17:27:41
See this is very strange to me too. Nardil actually made my response to caffeine much better. A bit less euphoric, but more smooth and longer lasting (and less anxiety, not surprisingly).
In fact, i have found time and time again that without coffee, even Nardil -- at least at the low dose I'm on -- is not enough to prevent despair. I need two drugs to prevent a worsening of my depression: phenelzine and caffeine.
So these accounts are very puzzling to me. I wonder what the explanation is.
> > What I've found strange about Nardil is during the day if i have an Frapachino then in about 30 minutes time after I've finished the drink it seems to lessen the theurpatic effect from Nardil. It sounds odd, but happens everytime and I can feel it. The social part of me is gone. I think im going to stop drinking coffee/frapachinos for a while now. I dont know why it has that effect on me.
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> In the thread about coffee/caffeine someone posted that coffee ruined his response to Nardil. You might want to really look into that.
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> ~Jade
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Posted by angels78 on July 13, 2010, at 2:33:14
In reply to Re: Parnate + Nardil Differences, posted by jade k on July 12, 2010, at 17:27:41
> > What I've found strange about Nardil is during the day if i have an Frapachino then in about 30 minutes time after I've finished the drink it seems to lessen the theurpatic effect from Nardil. It sounds odd, but happens everytime and I can feel it. The social part of me is gone. I think im going to stop drinking coffee/frapachinos for a while now. I dont know why it has that effect on me.
>> In the thread about coffee/caffeine someone posted that coffee ruined his response to Nardil. You might want to really look into that.
>
> ~Jade
>
>Hey jade, do you mind helping me out find the URL to that thread, I searched for it and nothing came up, maybe i searched the wrong keywords.. Thank you
Posted by jedi on July 13, 2010, at 11:16:55
In reply to Re: Parnate + Nardil Differences, posted by Questionmark on July 13, 2010, at 0:09:21
> See this is very strange to me too. Nardil actually made my response to caffeine much better. A bit less euphoric, but more smooth and longer lasting (and less anxiety, not surprisingly).
> In fact, i have found time and time again that without coffee, even Nardil -- at least at the low dose I'm on -- is not enough to prevent despair. I need two drugs to prevent a worsening of my depression: phenelzine and caffeine.
> So these accounts are very puzzling to me. I wonder what the explanation is.Questionmark,
I'm the same way with caffeine. I drink three or four cups in the AM. It acts as a mild stimulant and seems to make my Nardil response better. Not like a normal caffeine addiction where if you don't get your morning coffee, you just don't function well, and start into withdrawal.That's why I think a mild stimulant like modafinal or methylphenidate might make a good augmenter of Nardil for me. We are all so different.
Take care,
Jedi
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