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Posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2009, at 10:57:05
any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis?µ
doesnt cause psychosis and has anti psychotic properties?
Posted by ricker on October 24, 2009, at 11:58:54
In reply to any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis?, posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2009, at 10:57:05
> any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis?µ
> doesnt cause psychosis and has anti psychotic properties?Hi Jereon,
I would guess that Clomipramine would be a good choice as it works great for OCD, which, IMO, can be looked at as a form of psychotic depression when it's allowed to manifest.
Regards, Rick
Posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2009, at 12:14:42
In reply to Re: any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis? » Jeroen, posted by ricker on October 24, 2009, at 11:58:54
Ricker how is OCD psychotic as had it since a child depending on stress level at the time? Now you have me worried. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2009, at 12:23:06
In reply to Re: any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis? » ricker, posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2009, at 12:14:42
Here's a link which explains. Phillipa hope it helps
Posted by ricker on October 24, 2009, at 12:32:09
In reply to Re: any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis? » ricker, posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2009, at 12:14:42
> Ricker how is OCD psychotic as had it since a child depending on stress level at the time? Now you have me worried. Love Phillipa
Hi Jan,
I said OCD "may" be looked at as a "form" of psychotic depression when it's allowed to "manifest".
I believe the same could be said for a chronic, severe anxiety disorder if left untreated.
Also, remember that their are several variations and degrees when using the term "psychotic".
Take care,
Rick
Posted by bulldog2 on October 24, 2009, at 12:41:21
In reply to any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis?, posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2009, at 10:57:05
> any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis?µ
> doesnt cause psychosis and has anti psychotic properties?Amoxapine is indicated for the relief of symptoms of depression in patients with neurotic or reactive depressive disorders as well as endogenous and psychotic depressions. It is indicated for depression accompanied by anxiety or agitation.
Posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2009, at 12:44:02
In reply to Re: any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis?, posted by bulldog2 on October 24, 2009, at 12:41:21
good topic :)
Posted by yxibow on October 24, 2009, at 12:45:02
In reply to Re: any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis? » Phillipa, posted by ricker on October 24, 2009, at 12:32:09
> > Ricker how is OCD psychotic as had it since a child depending on stress level at the time? Now you have me worried. Love Phillipa
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> I said OCD "may" be looked at as a "form" of psychotic depression when it's allowed to "manifest".
>
> I believe the same could be said for a chronic, severe anxiety disorder if left untreated.
>
> Also, remember that their are several variations and degrees when using the term "psychotic".
I still take offense at this, I had a form of severe OCD in the past but its not something that someone who knows the DSM-IV (TR now) would classify in that spectrum at all.But anyhow we're mincing words, your re-clarification still leaves something to be desired but I'll leave it there.
Posted by ricker on October 24, 2009, at 13:04:45
In reply to Re: any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis? » ricker, posted by yxibow on October 24, 2009, at 12:45:02
> I still take offense at this, I had a form of severe OCD in the past but its not something that someone who knows the DSM-IV (TR now) would classify in that spectrum at all.
>
> But anyhow we're mincing words, your re-clarification still leaves something to be desired but I'll leave it there.
>Agree that we are mincing words to a degree. Just as psychosis in patients has many degrees.
Regards, Rick
http://ww1.cpa-apc.org:8080/publications/archives/CJP/2001/October/obsessive.asp
Posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2009, at 13:08:14
In reply to Re: any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis? » ricker, posted by yxibow on October 24, 2009, at 12:45:02
i had OCD once by lowering Seroquel from 400 mg to twice 100 mg
it was induced OCD disorder ... i wanted to wash my hands every second...
when i uppen my dose to 400 mg seroquel after 2 weeks it was completelly gone,when i quit the med at that time i had no serious psychosis, i was med free and OCD free
could this mean my OCD psychosis can help you guys? it's a theory...
Posted by ricker on October 24, 2009, at 13:26:19
In reply to i had OCD once by lowering Seroquel from, posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2009, at 13:08:14
> could this mean my OCD psychosis can help you guys? it's a theory...Hi Jereon,
I think you have a valid theory and should discuss it with your doctor at your next appointment. You have certainly struggled over the years and deserve a fair trial with a medication that might alleviate some of your symptoms. As mentioned earlier, you may experience some relief with clomipramine but, like you say, it's a "theory".
Regards, Rick
Posted by bleauberry on October 24, 2009, at 15:55:02
In reply to any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis?, posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2009, at 10:57:05
I answered this question as best as I could in your next thread. AFter doing some study on pubmed it became obvious that your condition is understudied, but that the meds that do work around the world provide you a small targeted toolbox to work with.
Antidepressants were used as monotherapy or in combination with antipsychotics.
Antidepressants were:
Luvox
Zoloft
Effexor
Imipramine
AmitriptylineAntipsychotics:
Risperdal
Seroquel
ZyprexaOf the SSRIs, Luvox seemed surprisingly effective, hypothetically due to its action at sigma receptors, which coincidentally zoloft does too.
ECT was viewed highly. I don't like that option, but it is an option.
From my own preference in combining both pharmaceutical and natural strategies in the war against disease, the one supplement I would seriously consider adding to whatever you do is Glycine. Long story, but there are just so many reports out there of this supplement helping schizophrenic patients of all kinds who are already on meds.
Posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2009, at 21:42:23
In reply to Re: i had OCD once by lowering Seroquel from » Jeroen, posted by ricker on October 24, 2009, at 13:26:19
Ricker that's a great idea. Jeroen what do you think? Love Phillipa
Posted by zzzz7 on October 25, 2009, at 0:55:19
In reply to any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis?, posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2009, at 10:57:05
Amoxapine is the one drug close to a TCA which might be used for psychosis. But there are much better drugs for it (like the anti-psychotics).
Posted by sowhysosad on October 25, 2009, at 10:48:29
In reply to Re: any tricyclic antidepressants fights psychosis? » Jeroen, posted by ricker on October 24, 2009, at 11:58:54
I believe it's the only tricyclic with some D2 antagonism too, which theoretically could be useful against psychosis.
> Hi Jereon,
>
> I would guess that Clomipramine would be a good choice as it works great for OCD, which, IMO, can be looked at as a form of psychotic depression when it's allowed to manifest.
>
> Regards, Rick
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