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Posted by manic666 on July 5, 2009, at 11:25:26
yes i no its another internet scam, or is it. on another web site some people are raveing about it,the maker,s sure promise a lot,and i no if it was any good the big boys would have bought it out.take a look at there web page an see what you think. i have my own thoughts what are yours.
Posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2009, at 12:36:01
In reply to GABATROL, posted by manic666 on July 5, 2009, at 11:25:26
Manic where is the link? Love Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on July 6, 2009, at 5:08:27
In reply to Re: GABATROL » manic666, posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2009, at 12:36:01
just type, gabatrol an search will find it
Posted by nomdeprune on July 6, 2009, at 5:49:16
In reply to GABATROL, posted by manic666 on July 5, 2009, at 11:25:26
SCAM!
"A dynamic and innovative company in the health and fitness industry, Pure Life has an experienced and credentialed advisory board"
Oh, really? Seems to me like this guy probably mixes the ingredients in his kitchen... the listed business address on the website is 23 Geneva Rd, Norwalk CT 06850. This is a *house* in a residential area:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/23-Geneva-Rd-Norwalk-CT-06850/58814551_zpid/
"All Natural Gabatrol Gives Anxiety Relief within Minutes!"; "The naturally occurring ingredients in Gabatrol are healthy for your brain."
Uh, well, I suppose the amino acids and Kanna in the product may be natural, but 'Phenyl-GABA' is otherwise known in the U.S. as Phenibut, which is quite synthetic and is a regulated drug in Russia. (Many reports on Phenibut in this forum.)
There's a large icon on the bottom of their site that claims "Gabatrol is made in Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) certified facilities. This assures we are meeting the highest standards of manufacturing and quality."
...Generally, supplements are not regulated by the FDA. However, GMP-certified facilities are most certainly under the sole purvue of the FDA in the U.S., and 3-bedroom houses generally tend not to make the cut.
The FDA also requires all marketing claims to be noted with the statement, "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease." I only see this disclaimer on the ingredients page. Claims such as "Reduce your stress & anxiety" and "Increase your focus and performance" are featured in giant capital letters on the top of all pages on the site, and there is NO following FDA-required disclaimer, nor is there an asterisk leading to one. Other outrageous, non-disclaimered statements on the site include "All Natural Gabatrol Gives Anxiety Relief within Minutes!"
Ooh, here's another gem: "our newly discovered proprietary extraction process allows the full potency of the herb to work effectively in smaller amounts".
Uh-huh. I'll bet the "proprietary extraction process" involves buying a lot of stuff in bulk and mixing 'em REAL GOOD.
This "company" is making me so angry that I'm really considering contacting the FDA and BBB.
MY disclaimers: I've never tried this product, but I've tried most of the individual ingredients separately, as have many people on this board (do a search for Phenibut, Kanna, L-Theanine, etc...) Some have been helpful, some haven't, but I don't think this is a source I'd ever, EVER get them from. Also, I believe Phenibut (and probably Kanna) are drugs in their own right (albeit nonscheduled in the states). I'm not sure they should be haphazardly mixed together, and Phenibut (for me, and many others) has significant withdrawal effects, ESPECIALLY when dosing every day, contrary to the website's claims: ("Gabatrol can be safely discontinued with no risk"; "you can use Gabatrol everyday for uninterrupted relief").
I'm not saying don't give any of the ingredients a shot, but do yourself a favor: research them first (plenty of info on here) and buy them from reputable supplement companies, not from some sketchy dude operating out of his personal home.
So, with all that in mind (I'm bracketing angry warning statements in case someone finds this link from a web search): (BUYER BEWARE!)www.gabatrol.com(BUYER BEWARE!)
(Bonus: also see their "PTSD Relief" sub-site marketed to VETERANS, using even more unsubstantiated and disclaimer-free statements! This is honestly making me a bit ill.)
Also, might I suggest this thread be moved to 'alternative'? ;)
Posted by yxibow on July 6, 2009, at 6:30:32
In reply to Re: GABATROL (listed business address is a HOUSE), posted by nomdeprune on July 6, 2009, at 5:49:16
Yeah... I'd pretty much give this a resounding no, no matter if he has a pretty BBB symbol on the site...
I'd stick to Neurontin or Lyrica, whichever has least side effects.
I don't know of any agents out there that truly can cross the blood brain barrier and act like the above mentioned.
There was a canceled agent called Gaboxadol.
There exists a "supplement" called Phenibut (a Russian studied drug), which I found odd and not terribly satisfying, maybe I was being safe about the amount... I would say its one for a very good measuring scale and due caution.
-- Jay
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 6, 2009, at 6:41:26
In reply to Re: GABATROL (listed business address is a HOUSE), posted by nomdeprune on July 6, 2009, at 5:49:16
Just a comment....I think you're making too much out of where the company is operated from. That does not imply that manufacture is accomplished at the same address, nor that manufacture does not comply with all safety practises.
For example, the last time I looked deeply into the situation, there were three fish oil encapsulators in North America, and the business was dominated by one of those. And yet there were dozens of companies selling fish oil caps, under different brands, many with similar niche descriptor (e.g. 'molecularly distilled'; that meaningless phrase was coined by this manufacturer), or specific DHA/EPA ratio that you could select from a list on the encapsulator's website. Most of the fish oil market traced back to one company. You could design your own capsules, and they would bottle them and label them for you. You'd likely have a warehouse somewhere, to receive them, store them, and reship them, but your business' computers could reside anywhere in the world, including in a residential area.
There are similar jobbers for multivitamin pills, and so on. They'll make whatever you want made, and that can include proprietary extracts.
My main concern with this product is not what is in it, but the proportions of the constituents. You just don't know what you're getting, because they don't break it down.
Lar
Posted by Phillipa on July 6, 2009, at 20:11:46
In reply to Re: GABATROL (listed business address is a HOUSE) » nomdeprune, posted by Larry Hoover on July 6, 2009, at 6:41:26
OMG!!!! Was born and raised in Norwalk Ct. This is West Norwalk. I lived on Partrick Road on Westport Wilton Line. We found my house on that site. I can't believe. But the address of the aforementioned house is definitely residential. Wow small world. Love Phillipa l06 Partrick Road 4 bedrooms, 2.5 baths.
Posted by manic666 on July 7, 2009, at 3:12:17
In reply to GABATROL, posted by manic666 on July 5, 2009, at 11:25:26
of course i dont believe it , i wrote to the mods on the site saying is the poster off this thread real or a salesman,he claimed it cured him an his wife . another strange combo ,you both have same illness.but people were ordering it . an i said they would eat horse sh*t if someone told them it worked,you guys taught me how to see through scams like this.but even on my limited brain i saw it
Posted by rwhealer on July 20, 2009, at 12:26:49
In reply to Re: GABATROL (listed business address is a HOUSE), posted by nomdeprune on July 6, 2009, at 5:49:16
Wow, we can all see why you are on this forum! If you could break out of your own emotional anger and turmoil for a little you would see a whole other world around you. Having worked for both drug companies and nutritional companies I can tell you first hand many nutritional companies start up as home based business's. In fact small business's, many of them home based, drive this economy. Ever read Timothy Ferris' 'The 4 Hour Workweek'? Everyone is doing it these days.
Given the fact that prestigious drug companies have lavish offices build on their profits, and yet kill thousands of people every year with their products. And that prestigious banks like Goldman Sachs are now in the process of robbing you, me and every other taxpayer blind, once again with their lavish offices built on massive market manipulation (read Tabibi's Rolling Stone article for one), I would say having an office does not mean much for business ethics.
Only the largest supplement companies manufacture their own products. Everyone else has FDA compliant facilites manufacture them. And while you make a good point that phenibut may not be 'all natural', it is a GABA based amino-acid with a long history of being safe and well tolerated.
There are nasty supplement companies out there, just like their are nasty banks and drug companies - I know having worked for one. But most of them are legit, home address or not.
> SCAM!
>
> "A dynamic and innovative company in the health and fitness industry, Pure Life has an experienced and credentialed advisory board"
>
> Oh, really? Seems to me like this guy probably mixes the ingredients in his kitchen... the listed business address on the website is 23 Geneva Rd, Norwalk CT 06850. This is a *house* in a residential area:
>
> http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/23-Geneva-Rd-Norwalk-CT-06850/58814551_zpid/
>
> "All Natural Gabatrol Gives Anxiety Relief within Minutes!"; "The naturally occurring ingredients in Gabatrol are healthy for your brain."
>
> Uh, well, I suppose the amino acids and Kanna in the product may be natural, but 'Phenyl-GABA' is otherwise known in the U.S. as Phenibut, which is quite synthetic and is a regulated drug in Russia. (Many reports on Phenibut in this forum.)
>
> There's a large icon on the bottom of their site that claims "Gabatrol is made in Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) certified facilities. This assures we are meeting the highest standards of manufacturing and quality."
>
> ...Generally, supplements are not regulated by the FDA. However, GMP-certified facilities are most certainly under the sole purvue of the FDA in the U.S., and 3-bedroom houses generally tend not to make the cut.
>
> The FDA also requires all marketing claims to be noted with the statement, "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease." I only see this disclaimer on the ingredients page. Claims such as "Reduce your stress & anxiety" and "Increase your focus and performance" are featured in giant capital letters on the top of all pages on the site, and there is NO following FDA-required disclaimer, nor is there an asterisk leading to one. Other outrageous, non-disclaimered statements on the site include "All Natural Gabatrol Gives Anxiety Relief within Minutes!"
>
> Ooh, here's another gem: "our newly discovered proprietary extraction process allows the full potency of the herb to work effectively in smaller amounts".
>
> Uh-huh. I'll bet the "proprietary extraction process" involves buying a lot of stuff in bulk and mixing 'em REAL GOOD.
>
> This "company" is making me so angry that I'm really considering contacting the FDA and BBB.
>
> MY disclaimers: I've never tried this product, but I've tried most of the individual ingredients separately, as have many people on this board (do a search for Phenibut, Kanna, L-Theanine, etc...) Some have been helpful, some haven't, but I don't think this is a source I'd ever, EVER get them from. Also, I believe Phenibut (and probably Kanna) are drugs in their own right (albeit nonscheduled in the states). I'm not sure they should be haphazardly mixed together, and Phenibut (for me, and many others) has significant withdrawal effects, ESPECIALLY when dosing every day, contrary to the website's claims: ("Gabatrol can be safely discontinued with no risk"; "you can use Gabatrol everyday for uninterrupted relief").
>
> I'm not saying don't give any of the ingredients a shot, but do yourself a favor: research them first (plenty of info on here) and buy them from reputable supplement companies, not from some sketchy dude operating out of his personal home.
>
> So, with all that in mind (I'm bracketing angry warning statements in case someone finds this link from a web search): (BUYER BEWARE!)www.gabatrol.com(BUYER BEWARE!)
>
> (Bonus: also see their "PTSD Relief" sub-site marketed to VETERANS, using even more unsubstantiated and disclaimer-free statements! This is honestly making me a bit ill.)
>
> Also, might I suggest this thread be moved to 'alternative'? ;)
Posted by nomdeprune on July 21, 2009, at 5:32:43
In reply to GABATROL is manufactured in a GMP facility, posted by rwhealer on July 20, 2009, at 12:26:49
> Wow, we can all see why you are on this forum! If you could break out of your own emotional anger and turmoil for a little you would see a whole other world around you.
Gee, thanks! I've never thought of it that way! I *can* just "break out" of my own emotional anger and turmoil, just like that, magic! 15 years of therapy... what a waste!
Are you *serious*? Do you often join mental health forums and begin your very first post by insulting someone with an obvious mental health issue, and suggest his life would be better if he could simply "see a whole other world around" him? My God...
I'm not against small businesses. I'm against small businesses who make outrageous, blatantly false claims so as to cash in on desperate individuals hoping for a magic cure to their long-standing problems. The fact that I'm *also* pissed at Goldman Sachs and many large drug companies is completely irrelevant.
Also note: "business's" is the possessive form of a (singular) business, as in: "this business's profits have tanked"... I'm not going to suggest that you "break out" of your failure to grasp elementary English grammar, because I realize different people have different abilities and disabilities, and you can't just magically become proficient in English any more than I can just magically stop being depressed.
I'm more than a bit curious why you chose to assert in the title of your post that "GABATROL is manufactured in a GMP facility", as if it were a fact just because you have apparently worked for nutritional companies before. How are you so certain about this *particular* product? If you've worked (or currently work) for this specific company before, this is definitely information you should say explicitly.
I mention this because it doesn't seem to be above this particular company to hawk its own product with obvious shills. See http://www.health-forums.com/alt-support-anxiety-panic/anyone-here-try-new-gabatrol-17387.html ...
"rked@att.net" posts: "Hey if anyone knows about skepticism ...its me. But I was seekingan (sic) alternative natural option for my anxiety attacks...and I happened upon Gabatrol (it was just released a month ago) and I have to tell ya...it works" (this is a snippet of one of two postings in this thread by him/her)
What "rked@att.net" (aka Robert Keddie of Hulbert, Oklahoma) -doesn't- tell you is that HE OWNS the gabatrol website. See http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/gabatrol.com .
This is honestly sickening marketing.
Posted by Phillipa on July 21, 2009, at 20:44:22
In reply to GABATROL is manufactured in a GMP facility, posted by rwhealer on July 20, 2009, at 12:26:49
Hey guys think you could maybe post civily to each other? There are guidlines on this site. Please keep anger in check maybe agree to disagree? Refer to the Faqs page. Don't want to see either of you get warnings. Takes a while to get used to posting I'm sure you both will. Thaks Phillipa
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