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Posted by owen35ny on May 5, 2009, at 14:22:25
They do not know the long term effects of these drusg especially ssris yet they prescribe them like candy to everyone from moody teens to the elderly who are sad because they lost a spouse. I just cameoff celexa I was on ssris for 10 years and I feel nothing now, numb like a zombie. These drugs take obvver brain functioning for us (chemical reactions ) how do we kniow that our brains will be able to take over these functions when we stop taking them? How do we know if that is depression returning or brain damage? We don't. I think people shouldnt take this garbage unless they are unable to get out of bed or seeing pink elephants in the corner.
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 5, 2009, at 15:47:40
In reply to How do these meds affect us, no one knows., posted by owen35ny on May 5, 2009, at 14:22:25
> They do not know the long term effects of these drusg especially ssris yet they prescribe them like candy to everyone from moody teens to the elderly who are sad because they lost a spouse. I just cameoff celexa I was on ssris for 10 years and I feel nothing now, numb like a zombie. These drugs take obvver brain functioning for us (chemical reactions ) how do we kniow that our brains will be able to take over these functions when we stop taking them? How do we know if that is depression returning or brain damage? We don't. I think people shouldnt take this garbage unless they are unable to get out of bed or seeing pink elephants in the corner.
Unfortunately things are never simple and I think drugs like SSRI's can do major harm for some people and bring major benefit for others. Since you were on Celexa for at least 100 years, I imagine you must have seen some benefit. But I do think that SSRI's are massively overprescribed and I find that most doctors, psychrists and the likes are way too soft on the negative consequenses of SSRI's.
The problem psychiatry is that it is a pseudoscience. Psychiatrists offer NO tests whatsoever for patients. They can't draw blood tests to prove that you lack Serotonin, gaba or dopamine in the brain and they don't offer SPECT scanners to find anything there either. It's all pure specualtion. The argement that depression is like diabetes and the brain dosn't produce enough insulin is pure rubbish and one of the biggist fallies in the medical world today.
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 5, 2009, at 15:55:48
In reply to Re: How do these meds affect us, no one knows., posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 5, 2009, at 15:47:40
Hehe sorry meant 10 years.
Also the dangers of SSRI's are showing up in studies, osteroposis, increased risk for diabetes, studes showing lower testosterone, persistent sexual dysfunction and let us not forget our own personal experiences with apathy, numbnes, fatigue and anhedonia.
No drug is without it downsides, but SSRI's really are a marketing truimph in my opnion.
Posted by SLS on May 5, 2009, at 16:19:49
In reply to Re: How do these meds affect us, no one knows., posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 5, 2009, at 15:55:48
> Hehe sorry meant 10 years.
>
> Also the dangers of SSRI's are showing up in studies, osteroposis, increased risk for diabetes, studes showing lower testosterone, persistent sexual dysfunction and let us not forget our own personal experiences with apathy, numbnes, fatigue and anhedonia.
>
> No drug is without it downsides, but SSRI's really are a marketing truimph in my opnion.Yes. I am not sure it was such a good thing for psychiatrists to latch on to these SSRI drugs in such a way as to ignore everything that came before. They should not have deemed them to be a magic replacement for tricyclics and MAOIs. Thank God they still make the older drugs.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on May 5, 2009, at 17:23:08
In reply to Re: How do these meds affect us, no one knows. » Alexanderfromdenmark, posted by SLS on May 5, 2009, at 16:19:49
Just met a girl in pharmacy who saw the same pdoc I did when moved here evidently he gives but one ad and that is cymbalta 120mg and she stopped cold turkey as going through divorce three kids tiny lady gained 60pounds hence went off and said the cymbalta with wellbutrin did absolutley nothing for her. Boy she's angry may join she said. Babble that is. She says she never felt better so why take the meds? Doesn't want benzos and said definitely no to atypicals. Wants nothing to do with any meds. Another true life story. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 5, 2009, at 20:49:40
In reply to Re: How do these meds affect us, no one knows., posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 5, 2009, at 15:47:40
> > They do not know the long term effects of these drusg especially ssris yet they prescribe them like candy to everyone from moody teens to the elderly who are sad because they lost a spouse. I just cameoff celexa I was on ssris for 10 years and I feel nothing now, numb like a zombie. These drugs take obvver brain functioning for us (chemical reactions ) how do we kniow that our brains will be able to take over these functions when we stop taking them? How do we know if that is depression returning or brain damage? We don't. I think people shouldnt take this garbage unless they are unable to get out of bed or seeing pink elephants in the corner.
>
> Unfortunately things are never simple and I think drugs like SSRI's can do major harm for some people and bring major benefit for others. Since you were on Celexa for at least 100 years, I imagine you must have seen some benefit. But I do think that SSRI's are massively overprescribed and I find that most doctors, psychrists and the likes are way too soft on the negative consequenses of SSRI's.
>
> The problem psychiatry is that it is a pseudoscience. Psychiatrists offer NO tests whatsoever for patients. They can't draw blood tests to prove that you lack Serotonin, gaba or dopamine in the brain and they don't offer SPECT scanners to find anything there either. It's all pure specualtion. The argement that depression is like diabetes and the brain dosn't produce enough insulin is pure rubbish and one of the biggist fallies in the medical world today.Alexanderfromdenmark,
You wrote,[...psychiatry...is..psuedoscience...].
I am unsure as to if you are referring to,
A. All psychiatry
B. Some branches
C. something else
You wrote,[...psychiatry..{is}...]
I am unsure as to if you are wanting to mean that it is,
A. your opinion that psychiatyry is..., or, B. you are meaning as {fact} that psychiatry is..
C. something else
If you could clarify the above, then I could have the opportunity to respond acordingly.
Lou
Posted by Relapse on May 5, 2009, at 23:34:20
In reply to How do these meds affect us, no one knows., posted by owen35ny on May 5, 2009, at 14:22:25
Just what happens to me over the last 15 years.
A) Stop ssri, - lay face down in a pool of sweat.
B) Wife drags me to pdoc - start taking ssri - struggle hard at times, but get through the day.
I don't care if I have spontaneous combustion as I get older because of them. If you fret about it, or don't have to take them, just don't.
Dave
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 6, 2009, at 5:51:31
In reply to Lou's requset for clarification-izit » Alexanderfromdenmark, posted by Lou Pilder on May 5, 2009, at 20:49:40
> > > They do not know the long term effects of these drusg especially ssris yet they prescribe them like candy to everyone from moody teens to the elderly who are sad because they lost a spouse. I just cameoff celexa I was on ssris for 10 years and I feel nothing now, numb like a zombie. These drugs take obvver brain functioning for us (chemical reactions ) how do we kniow that our brains will be able to take over these functions when we stop taking them? How do we know if that is depression returning or brain damage? We don't. I think people shouldnt take this garbage unless they are unable to get out of bed or seeing pink elephants in the corner.
> >
> > Unfortunately things are never simple and I think drugs like SSRI's can do major harm for some people and bring major benefit for others. Since you were on Celexa for at least 100 years, I imagine you must have seen some benefit. But I do think that SSRI's are massively overprescribed and I find that most doctors, psychrists and the likes are way too soft on the negative consequenses of SSRI's.
> >
> > The problem psychiatry is that it is a pseudoscience. Psychiatrists offer NO tests whatsoever for patients. They can't draw blood tests to prove that you lack Serotonin, gaba or dopamine in the brain and they don't offer SPECT scanners to find anything there either. It's all pure specualtion. The argement that depression is like diabetes and the brain dosn't produce enough insulin is pure rubbish and one of the biggist fallies in the medical world today.
>
> Alexanderfromdenmark,
> You wrote,[...psychiatry...is..psuedoscience...].
> I am unsure as to if you are referring to,
> A. All psychiatry
> B. Some branches
> C. something else
> You wrote,[...psychiatry..{is}...]
> I am unsure as to if you are wanting to mean that it is,
> A. your opinion that psychiatyry is..., or, B. you are meaning as {fact} that psychiatry is..
> C. something else
> If you could clarify the above, then I could have the opportunity to respond acordingly.
> LouHi Lou, since I'm not an almighty god, I can't state as a fact that any branch is a psedeoscience. But I meant Psychiatry in general and the claims put forth by pharmecutical companies who put forth claims purpously supported by "science" to sell Antidepressants.
Posted by Sigismund on May 6, 2009, at 17:44:08
In reply to Lou's requset for clarification-izit » Alexanderfromdenmark, posted by Lou Pilder on May 5, 2009, at 20:49:40
The answer is A, Lou.
Surely?(I'm not saying that in itself is a bad thing, am I?)
I like the parts of it that are the least scientific the most, actually.
This is the end of the thread.
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